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Sep 18th, 2009 12:54 PM #1
Ahmadinejad, once again, denies the Holocaust...
This guy is such a friggen' tool.
http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCan...58H17S20090918
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Sep 18th, 2009 1:02 PM #2Leader of the bomb shelter Seasoned Member
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He is just making those claims to piss of Israel.

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Sep 18th, 2009 2:24 PM #4
Well, to be fair, he is making those claims because of the way researchers whose work turns up any alteration to which the Hollywood version of the Holocaust does not subscribe to already, are treated. Seriously, people have been jumped on for pointing out the fact that more than the Jews were brutally murdered. People have been jailed for questioning the numbers of deaths given as the "official figure", and for expressing verbal outrage at the destruction of Gaza as the work of Zionists extremist who control Israels governing policies, of which the United states backs with monetary and military support. People are called anti-Semitic when they express sympathy for a people living in an enclosed cage of brutal, suppressive, often violent occupation by a heartless government-
Here he suggests quite clearly two things, the first being that he does not see the Holocaust as a viable reason to establish the Zionist regime, that is it a "mythical claim" to do so- he is not saying there was no Holocaust. The second being that the Holocaust had nothing to do with the Palestinian people, and he obviously feels that they are given a free reign to mistreat them all they want in order to claim there land and 'drive them into the sea'- (what a twist!) except they won't let them fish in their own sea anymore, not since a potential oil field was discovered off the coast.He added, "The pretext for establishing the Zionist regime is a lie; a lie which relies on an unreliable claim, a mythical claim, and the occupation of Palestine has nothing to do with the Holocaust."
But, I digress.
This, as opposed to saying there was no Nazi Holocaust, period. He is speaking of the Holocaust as a lie as the story is claimed by the Zionist regime, and that it using that incorrectly as a pretext for the massacre and dehumanization of the Palestinians is a basically, a crock of shit.
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By "facts" and "reality", he is speaking of the fact that some details of this terrible event in human history that do not actually question the existence that the holocaust happened, but do challenge the way the event has been used since by the Zionist extremists to shape and bend history, as well as excuse themselves from the gross mistreatment of others.Addressing Tehrani Friday prayers worshipers as pre-sermon lecturer, President Ahmadinejad said, “Our call over the past four years has been if the Holocaust claimed by the Zionist regime and its allies is true, why they (Zionists and westerners) do not allow any research on it?”
President Ahmadinejad said research on everything is free but Holocaust is the key to a sealed fact and black box.
He went on questioning, “When the event is so much important for which a land is occupied, such a war is waged, millions of people are killed, injured and made homeless, thousands of families are ruined and the Middle East is kept under the shadow of insecurity, why the black box should not be decoded so that facts and realities are revealed to all?”
There are some theories which question details of the Holocaust which are based on stupidity, too. It's embarrassing to run across a real Jew hater, for instance. and, it's sad. And I concede it's a given that Ahmadinejad is a tad biased against Israel, as well.
But it is still a fact that in this world where the Democrats Powers decry "We'll Have Free Speech, and a Fair Trial for All!!!" when they meddle in the personal governmental affairs of countries whose land they wish to own someday, there are some things you just aren't supposed to talk about in mixed company.
It's not so unusual he be giving a speech along these lines, as it is International Quds Day. People all over the world are, in one way or another, asking similar questions today. How can one atrocity somehow excuse another from happening- especially when it's not even a matter of revenge?
Why do we let this happen anyway, as this sort of thing is really happening in other places as well, this sort of mindless suffering. In fact, my country has contributed to a large amount of suffering in the world. For people who feel Israel does this in anyway, with the Holocaust, it's a loaded subject. Here are the Arabs who are being persecuted the way the people who are persecuting them say they were mistreated- so... what? We get to treat people as badly as we've been treated?
The emotional impact alone of using the deaths of millions as a lever in getting anything is outstanding, to say the least. Other races have died, cultures been ravished, other religions have suffered great persecution, what do they have to show for it?"The Alice-in-Wonderland nature of this pronouncement is not lost on me..."
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Sep 18th, 2009 2:54 PM #5One left in the chamber Global Moderator
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Umm.. I would question his meaning with; ( " so that facts and realities are revealed to all) Its a stretch that he's only referring to "method used"

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Sep 18th, 2009 2:59 PM #6Launchin' Nukes at Noobs Contributor
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President Obama, in reaching his decision to ditch a missile defense shield in Eastern Europe, used information from a May 2009 National Intelligence Estimate that said Iran would take three to five years longer than originally anticipated to build a long-range missile system, a senior administration official confirmed Friday.
He must be 100% sure they wont have nukes in the near future.
Who could possibly help Iran anyway if it is their intentions?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...-years-longer/
Iran if you already know about has clashes again.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...est=latestnews
An unstable country of late!
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Sep 18th, 2009 4:47 PM #7
Agreed that Iran is unstable... and ripe for CLIA provoked civil unrest leading to regime change. The only problem is that the CIA seems to not be the same organization that could handle these jobs as in the past. I think Obama did the right thing by backing out of the missle shield. Why defend any of the people outside of the continental US? It was not developed or funded by the useless UN, nor NATO. It seems like, if anything, the US should charge all the ungrateful assholes around the planet to be under this shield.
As for Irans leader, he is entitled to his own opinion... and don't forget that opinions and assholes are alike because all have them and they all stink. If you are a Jew, just criticize him as a left handed asswipe. Fuck him, as any intelligent person can see the multitude of evidence. My great uncle was witness to one of the camps that was liberated, and I would take his word as gospel.
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Sep 18th, 2009 5:58 PM #8
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Sep 18th, 2009 6:44 PM #9Radioactive Contributor
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Sep 18th, 2009 6:46 PM #10
Ahmadinejad is denying the Holocaust period.
Whether he is tying it in to Israeli policy it is still denial.
There has been plenty of talk about the Holocaust as myth by the likes of The Institute for Historical Review and their ilk who never seem to find any evidence to back up their bogus claims.
The Holocaust in Europe that was perpetuated by Germany took the lives of 11 million people, including 6 million who were Jewish.
The Hidden Holocaust in Asia that was perpetuated by Japan took the lives of 25 million Asian civilians, including 16 million Chinese. Talk about denial! I would bet they never taught about it in school.
There is no law in the US that prevents a person from researching or publishing material about the Holocaust. "Holocaust denial is explicitly or implicitly illegal in 13 countries: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Israel, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Poland, Portugal, Romania, and Switzerland." (Wikipedia.org)
Ahmadinejad does not like Israel. We get that.
However, the fact of the Holocaust occured has nothing to do with today's Middle East problems. Both Isreal and Ahmadinejad need to understand this."Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" G. Santayana
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Sep 18th, 2009 7:03 PM #11
I deny that Ahmadinejad's 2nd election-to-office actually happened.
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Sep 18th, 2009 7:18 PM #12
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Sep 18th, 2009 7:19 PM #13
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Sep 18th, 2009 7:37 PM #14
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Sep 18th, 2009 9:43 PM #15
Perhaps it is Ahmadinejad's way of expressing that he does not recognize Israel. Neither do I recognize Israel, as I line it up with all 66 books of the Holy Bible. Even there in the Holy Land they have trusted in a god of forces, and have set them selves as racially and religiously superior, unto pride and hatred, which are the same things that made those many victims, when Hitler made himself stronger than them in that widely witnessed holocaust.
I saw non-meek Hal Lindsey on T.B.N. last night, and was able to actually sit through a few minutes of plainly being told what's on those guys' minds of late, touching their Israel and so forth. Citing inconsistency with my own expectation (which is plainly stated as the Scriptures, which is not their manipulations of the Scriptures), I listened to Hal Lindsey begin to explain that the U.S.A. is receding back from helping Israel, which is both to the hurt of U.S.A.'s in the sight of the One World Order, and to Israel's, so that Israel basically has no other option but to attack Iran by spring of 2010, as their theory has it, or else they will be taken over or destroyed by Muslims. The guy even chatted about the so-called "Samson Option", in which Israel will destroy all surrounding nations, if they come under fire from the purported 50,000 missiles aimed at them. They teach hands down that we must assist Israel militarily and financially if the U.S.A. as a nation is to retain it's super-power status, its Christians, and its blessing from God: for, he said, the Spirit restraining the Anti-christ, and all the Christians, will be taken out of the way, hence, the rapture pre-tribulation. Lindsey also gave a passing about oil being up wards of 300 a barrel as a result of this war in the middle East, while he reveled about how that Israel is about to uncover the largest find of oil in the Middle East ever made.
My thought is that Israel is definitely facing the sum of all their decisions, and it is now in a weakened and divided state, and will need to be scooped off of that ground, if it is not to hit the ground to be broken in pieces altogether: whereas the way of peace, to the Zion above the mountains of the earth, is according to the prophecies of Scripture, perhaps indeed to require a deposing, and breaking up of power, so that all the children can grow up in the land together, and dwell in one land, or not all in that land, but somewhere else.
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Sep 18th, 2009 10:26 PM #16
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Sep 19th, 2009 10:26 AM #17"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter, and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed
ourselves."~Abraham Lincoln
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Sep 19th, 2009 11:14 AM #18
I see nothing racist in the vast majority of the protests and protesters. While I am sure there are some ass clowns out there protesting in their bed linens and others protesting with their shaved heads, the vast majority are people who dislike the man's politics and politicies. Does that make them racists... hell no! I do not like Obama as a politician, but then I disliked SLick Willie as well. At least Obama does not come to the table with adulterous rumors and hopefully he keeps his cock caged while in office.
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Sep 19th, 2009 11:17 AM #19
So you don't like him because he is a democrat.
"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter, and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed
ourselves."~Abraham Lincoln
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Sep 19th, 2009 3:34 PM #20
Not because he is a democrat. It is his shit policies. I dislike people who vote against gun ownership for legal lawful citizens. I also dislike his healthcare reforn agenda... although I admit something needs to change, but mainly regarding lawsuits. I dislike how he lied about trying to unify the two sides, when he has done more to divide than anyone I can recall... much more so than G. Dubya. I dislike his choices for his cabinet picks as well. Treasury guru can't figure out turbo tax, but can fix the economy. BULL SHIT! He is a crook... or a fucking idiot. I think more Crook! There are many things about Obama I dislike, and while McLame was a crappy pick, he was able to work with democrats and republicans... something Obama either does not concern himself with or is incapable of doing.
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Sep 19th, 2009 4:27 PM #21One left in the chamber Global Moderator
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People forget that all politicians play for the gallery, and this is the same thing ...just in another language and culture. He is well aware of the military might of the Israeli forces, and I doubt he wants any low level fighters taking out his nuclear facilities. You rattle the saber just enough to keep the popular opinion appeased.... meanwhile its business as usual behind the scenes.
Today its economics that rule...not rhetorical dogma. And he knows it.
when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature
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Sep 19th, 2009 5:23 PM #22
What crappy policies? The only thing wrong with healthcare is lawsuits? If your daughter was dfenied a liver that would of saved her life, you wouldn't sue? Idiot? Compared to what?
The only reason this country appears divided is because Obama is black, and the majority of the republicans think he is either a Muslim, or the fucking antichrist. Read the polls, the republicans don't give a shit about the policies. When was the last time pastors asked for Bush to be killed by God. They were constantly praying for him. There are pastors on the news wishing for Obama to die. One i heard saying whoever killed him would be a martyr and go to heaven. Damn, this pastor sounds like Osama bin laden.
Was there any rallys for Bush to provide his birth certificate? Fuck, the media was attacked for calling him a coward for pretending to be in the national guard.
Bush was an opportunistic fake. He never had a successful business in his life, and look at where the country is now that he ran it for 8 years. People have short memories. If Obama has to spend 100 trillion dollars to try and fix this clusterfuck nation, then so be it. Atleast he is trying to do it for everyone, and not just the richest people in the country.
When was the last time schools around ther country were going to deny the president to be heard? it's not cause he is black?
I wish the only bad thing Bush did would have been to fuck an intern. I mean, come on atleast we would have more jobs.
Obama has tried to work with the republicans, and they have resisted from the start. the only way they will work with him is if he gives up his ideals and joins the party. what a bunch of morons. they want him to do as they say. We are not gonna go back that far in history.
Tell me rush limburger isn't a racist dude.
Lets not forget Glenn Beck saying on air, that Obama has a deep seated hatred of white people.1. I mean, let’s face it, we didn’t have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I’m not saying we should bring it back; I’m just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark.
2. You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]. We miss you, James. Godspeed.
3. Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?
4. Right. So you go into Darfur and you go into South Africa, you get rid of the white government there. You put sanctions on them. You stand behind Nelson Mandela — who was bankrolled by communists for a time, had the support of certain communist leaders. You go to Ethiopia. You do the same thing.
5. Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.
6. The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies.
7. They’re 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?
8. Take that bone out of your nose and call me back(to an African American female caller).
9. I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They’re interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well. I think there’s a little hope invested in McNabb and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he really didn’t deserve
10. Limbaugh attacks on Obama. Limbaugh has called Obama a ‘halfrican American’ has said that Obama was not black but Arab because Kenya is an Arab region, even though Arabs are less than one percent of Kenya. Since mainstream America has become more accepting of African-Americans, Limbaugh has decided to play against its new racial fears, Arabs and Muslims. Despite the fact Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law school, Limbaugh has called him an ‘affirmative action candidate.’ Limbaugh even has repeatedly played a song on his radio show ‘Barack the Magic Negro’ using an antiquated Jim Crow era term for black a man who many Americans are supporting for president. Way to go Rush.
if the country does divide in the future, i'm going left."America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter, and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed
ourselves."~Abraham Lincoln
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Sep 19th, 2009 8:24 PM #23
My dislike for Obama has absolutely nothing to do with race although I acknowledge that for some people in this country - it probably is an issue. I don't like Obama and I did not like McCain. I didn't like GW, I did not like Clinton, I did not like Bush Sr. I think the last president I sort of liked was Reagan (and that was probably because I had no clue about politics back then) and I don't see any hope for me to like any future presidents either since my preferred political party has a snow ball's chance in hell of taking the helm.
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Sep 19th, 2009 9:09 PM #24
The only candidate for president who I voted for and actually won was Richard Milhouse Nixon. I have voted in every election held since 1972.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" G. Santayana
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Sep 20th, 2009 4:14 AM #25
Iran's main source of income is oil. This man's rhetoric helps their economy big time. His animosity towards Israel is useful in terms of dollars, to the tune of billions.
Why is it that the False Prophet(electronic media) will look for the real motive for every high publicity criminal case in the United States, but when it comes to something as obvious and simple as Iran, they completely ignore the truth? The answer is easy, the mainstream news media are the False Prophet.
Without repentance, Iran has no future. They can deny anything they want, but regardless .... .... their future has been written, signed, sealed, and delivered. No Mahdi, born or buried can protect you from this plague.



"In the last days perilous times will come, for men shall have a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof." 2 Tim 3
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