Iran Test Fire Missiles SUNDAY MORNING

**Ninja** · Sep 27th, 2009 7:32 AM

There getting scared about the Islamic Republic Necular Program. Anyone else think were going to hare from North Korea and the Necular Testing again very soon?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/...est/index.html

**rioja** · Sep 27th, 2009 9:45 AM

I'm more afraid that Israel is being backed into a corner. Tomorrow Iran will be testing its longer range missile - one that in theory could reach Israel. As another provocative
jibe the so-called war game 'exercise' has been called 'The Great Prophet'.

**Prism** · Sep 27th, 2009 10:17 AM

This is just getting better and better, more missile tests. New nuclear site, looks like Israel might have to do something in the near future.

***pico*** · Sep 27th, 2009 10:56 AM

I think they will, as they know Obama is not the same level of commitment that B Dubya was. They should not feel obligated to provide the US or anyone else their plans, as the US does not do the same to their allies all the time. I would like to see this go down so that my US based oil company stocks would skyrocket, bringing my Capitalist ass some much needed funds. Call me a prick, but why postpone the party any longer? The invitations went out a long time ago and the suspense is really starting to build.

**Prism** · Sep 27th, 2009 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by pico

I think they will, as they know Obama is not the same level of commitment that B Dubya was. They should not feel obligated to provide the US or anyone else their plans, as the US does not do the same to their allies all the time. I would like to see this go down so that my US based oil company stocks would skyrocket, bringing my Capitalist ass some much needed funds. Call me a prick, but why postpone the party any longer? The invitations went out a long time ago and the suspense is really starting to build.

I agree with that, I have stock in Shell. But, to me it seems that its all been building up to this point for the last few months. The missing ship that might of carried missile defense systems to Iran. The Israeli PM secretly visiting Moscow. Then a new nuclear facility and then these missile tests. I hope people don't see this like Iraq, the Iranian military especially the revolutionary guard are no cake walk. It will be a bloody war.

***Sirius*** · Sep 27th, 2009 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by rioja

I'm more afraid that Israel is being backed into a corner. Tomorrow Iran will be testing its longer range missile - one that in theory could reach Israel. As another provocative
jibe the so-called war game 'exercise' has been called 'The Great Prophet'.

You have a leader that has called for the destruction of Israel, and at one time during a U.N. conferance begged for the return of the Muslim messiah. He has also stated that if needed, Iran could expedite the retun of the Messiah themselves. He also is not the supreme leader, that is the Muslim Cleric Ayatollah Ali Khamenei who has called Israel a "cancerous tumor" and "must be removed" from the region.

They arre advancing their nuclear technology in secret, and they sent a crypic letter to announce the exsistence of a facility capable of making material for a nuclear weapon, albeit slowly. The facility has apparently been there for years, so it is possible they already have a weapon, but that is just my opinion.

Israel has attacked other bnuclear facilities in the past (Iraq and Syria) so I believe a preemptive strike by israel is forthcoming. The reaction to such a strike is unknown, but Iran is a far more powerful, and influecnial country than Iraq or Syria. What will China and Russia do if Israel attacks Iran? Will they see them agressors, or will they see them as defending their country? This is the great unknown.

China and Russia would make a powerful alliance with Iran and North Korea, one we will have a very hard time fighting, given the stratch on our military, and one we would not be able to take on without conscripts.

The worst fears of the people of the world might come true in the next few years. We have seen so many stories about prophecy about armageddon, they have been indoctrinated by these programs that they will become self fulfilling prochecies.

In the movie 13 days, one of the Presidents advisors hoped that cooler heads would prevail if the United States attacked Russia, and the President didn't believe that possible. I hope our current President will use that same logic when threating "grave consequences" against Iran.

**Ninja** · Sep 27th, 2009 12:21 PM

With Iran testing more Missles tomorrow. How long you think it will be before this esclates to something more serious?

Im thinking if Iran tests more missles this week then Israel will do a premtive strike. Any chance they might just make a Necular Strike?

Im in the Air Force Delayed Entry Program and am waiting to ship to basic training in Jan 2010. Im starting to wonder if things keep going how they are then maybe my ship date will get moved up sooner, LOL

**Prism** · Sep 27th, 2009 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Ninja

With Iran testing more Missles tomorrow. How long you think it will be before this esclates to something more serious?

Im thinking if Iran tests more missles this week then Israel will do a premtive strike. Any chance they might just make a Necular Strike?

Im in the Air Force Delayed Entry Program and am waiting to ship to basic training in Jan 2010. Im starting to wonder if things keep going how they are then maybe my ship date will get moved up sooner, LOL

I don't know, I personally feel that something will happen in the near future. 3 months perhaps? It all depends on how the meeting goes on the first of October. But I think Israel is getting a little antsy.

I'm in the Army DEP, so I'd rather not have us go to war.

***Blu-ray*** · Sep 27th, 2009 12:33 PM

I am torn on this. On the one hand I don't see Iran having Nukes as a good thing. Albeit they are a sovereign nation and can do as they wish. On the other hand, just how we Americans do not like being dictated to, we should not dictate to others.

Then there is also my belief that we should never use our military for "Pre-Emptive" wars. It is one thing to defend ourselves from an invading or an attack force, it's something entirely different to start a war just to stop someone from building things they have a right to do on their own soil.

How would those that would be for a pre-emptive strike like it if another country attacked their country because the other country felt they should not be doing certain things?

***uki*** · Sep 27th, 2009 12:37 PM

hopefully they work all the kinks out with these tests... it's best to have a well tested missile i suppose.

**Ninja** · Sep 27th, 2009 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Prism

I'm in the Army DEP, so I'd rather not have us go to war.

WTF?! Why not? I want to.

**Prism** · Sep 27th, 2009 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Blu-ray

I am torn on this. On the one hand I don't see Iran having Nukes as a good thing. Albeit they are a sovereign nation and can do as they wish. On the other hand, just how we Americans do not like being dictated to, we should not dictate to others.

Then there is also my belief that we should never use our military for "Pre-Emptive" wars. It is one thing to defend ourselves from an invading or an attack force, it's something entirely different to start a war just to stop someone from building things they have a right to do on their own soil.

How would those that would be for a pre-emptive strike like it if another country attacked their country because the other country felt they should not be doing certain things?

It's a known fact Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism, they control Hezbollah, Hamas. The fear is more that the technology can fall into the wrong hands. Also, Iran is violating the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty that they signed. I believe Israel needs to do what they feel is best for their country, it's a damn shame for the United states because we will be automatically associated with an Israeli attack.

**Ninja** · Sep 27th, 2009 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Prism

It's a known fact Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism, they control Hezbollah, Hamas. The fear is more that the technology can fall into the wrong hands. Also, Iran is violating the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty that they signed. I believe Israel needs to do what they feel is best for their country, it's a damn shame for the United states because we will be automatically associated with an Israeli attack.

I agree with this.

Sure Iran has missles that can reach Israel but do they have missles that can reach the US?

Although if Israel attacks Iran and the US is grouped with the attack, Iran will be pissed which might esclate tensions with North Korea, since them and Iran are tight, which will have the US fighting on 2 fronts...

***MaximumPain*** · Sep 27th, 2009 12:53 PM

The real danger from an Iranian Nuke is not eastern Europe (Why in the fuck would they nuke them?), or Israel (instant and automatic counter strike by superior weapons), but the US Navy in the Persian Gulf. One small nuke could take out an American Carrier group and it would be easy to hit in the narrow confines of that area. Would we then nuke a population center.

Iran really just wants the nuke to protect themselves from American Aggression. So far Iran has not started an offensive war in the last 2 century's. That Achmadinajad fool is just another hot air politician Im sure you all know the type we have plenty of them over here.

***MaximumPain*** · Sep 27th, 2009 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Ninja

I agree with this.

Sure Iran has missles that can reach Israel but do they have missles that can reach the US?

Although if Israel attacks Iran and the US is grouped with the attack, Iran will be pissed which might escalate tensions with North Korea, since them and Iran are tight, which will have the US fighting on 2 fronts...

3 or 4 fronts depending on if you consider Iraq the same front as Iran? If one of those 2 nations nukes it will be over very quickly and a lot of people will be dead and dying and most of them wont be American. I think the leaders of those two nations know this and are just doing the nuke thing to gain a voice in world politics. In short they want to join the nuclear club with the big boys.

Oh and welcome to AO Ninja.

***ryangti*** · Sep 27th, 2009 12:57 PM

Ask yourself what had Bush started?
Although we now talk about Iran Israel dont forget about the war in afghanistan.

The United States is threatening to launch airstrikes on Mullah Omar and the Taliban leadership in the Pakistani city of Quetta as frustration mounts about the ease with which they find sanctuary across the border from Afghanistan.
It all makes sense i suppose where these arguments and conflicts could end up as maybe the holy war that many have predicted.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6850838.ece
As the the state of the Americas economy can we afford to antagonize any more?

Britain, France and the United States set the stage for a dramatic confrontation with Iran when they revealed the existence of a secret nuclear site inside a mountain near the holy city of Qom as evidence of Tehran’s efforts to deceive the international community.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6850397.ece

**Ninja** · Sep 27th, 2009 1:02 PM

So if a All Out War was to happen were looking at:

Iran/Iraq/Afaghanistan/North Korea/Venasuela

vs

United States/Great Britian/France/Germany/Israel/Japan

My guess is China is a wild card. And I would put money on it Russia would NOT be on our side.

Atleast with a big war like that it would more than likely fix the economy. lol

**Prism** · Sep 27th, 2009 1:15 PM

Originally Posted by Ninja

WTF?! Why not? I want to.

Yes, because you wont have a combat job, I am going in as a MP which doubles as infantry.

Catch my drift?

Originally Posted by Ninja

So if a All Out War was to happen were looking at:

Iran/Iraq/Afaghanistan/North Korea/Venasuela

vs

United States/Great Britian/France/Germany/Israel/Japan

My guess is China is a wild card. And I would put money on it Russia would NOT be on our side.

Atleast with a big war like that it would more than likely fix the economy. lol

China and Russia wont side against us, most likely neutral if anything. N.Korea is not in a position to do anything. Japan is a pacifist nation, so take them out of the list. Just say NATO, seeing as they will be obliged to come to each others defence. War does not fix the economy.

http://www.swifteconomics.com/2009/0...r-the-economy/

**Ninja** · Sep 27th, 2009 1:17 PM

Originally Posted by Prism

Yes, because you wont have a combat job, I am going in as a MP which doubles as infantry.

Catch my drift?

Bull Shit yes I will Security Forces Phoneix Raven one of the few combat jobs of the Air Force.

**lycanox** · Sep 27th, 2009 1:17 PM

Actually such a large war would completely ruin if not collapse the US economy.
Unless Russia joins in and bombs the hells out of the US. As most of the supposed war economic booms actually resulted from the efforts of rebuilding the nation afterwards.

I have yet to see concrete evidence of an Iranian Nuclear weapon program. As so far every accusation is only based on speculation.
But if a nuclear war would start. It would likely be caused by Iran imposing an economic blockade in the Gulf of Oman. Which America would then try to break by force.

I doubt however that NATO will play a role in this. None of their nation has been attacked. And its already hard to find countries willing to send troops to Afghanistan. Which is a very low intensity war.

***proffett*** · Sep 27th, 2009 1:21 PM

I don't get it... Why should they be unable to have Nukes but Israel and other nations get the green card... Makes no sense to me.

***MaximumPain*** · Sep 27th, 2009 1:26 PM

Originally Posted by lycanox

Actually such a large war would completely ruin if not collapse the US economy.
Unless Russia joins in and bombs the hells out of the US. As most of the supposed war economic booms actually resulted from the efforts of rebuilding the nation afterwards.

Take it up a notch Lycanox it will ruin the economy's of every nation that participates.

I have yet to see concrete evidence of an Iranian Nuclear weapon program. As so far every accusation is only based on speculation.
But if a nuclear war would start. It would likely be caused by Iran imposing an economic blockade in the Gulf of Oman. Which America would then try to break by force.

I agree we seem to be worried about the possibility made more likly by having the correct technology onsite. My question to you would be if they can build a weapon why wont they?

I doubt however that NATO will play a role in this. None of their nation has been attacked. And its already hard to find countries willing to send troops to Afghanistan. Which is a very low intensity war.

If America is attacked then NATO will be obligated by treaty to get involved. If America or one of our non NATO allies starts it then NATO can and probably will sit it out. Unless it gets real big. Would NATO abandon the USA? If so then America needs to pull all bases and aid to all NATO nations. Do you think that would be good for peace in the long run?

**Ninja** · Sep 27th, 2009 1:27 PM

Originally Posted by proffett

I don't get it... Why should they be unable to have Nukes but Israel and other nations get the green card... Makes no sense to me.

BECAUSE They are known backers of Terrorist Groups.

And I was always taught in History Class that big wars always fixed economys. Thats why I said that it would help, guess I was taught wrong, lol.

***MaximumPain*** · Sep 27th, 2009 1:29 PM

Originally Posted by Ninja

BECAUSE They are known backers of Terrorist Groups.

And I was always taught in History Class that big wars always fixed economys. Thats why I said that it would help, guess I was taught wrong, lol.

So is America http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US...ads_ElSal.html

Or is that not what you wanted to hear?

Also wars dont help economy's unless you get to sell the rebuilding to the ruined country. How can destruction be good for an economy?

**Prism** · Sep 27th, 2009 1:34 PM

Originally Posted by Ninja

Bull Shit yes I will Security Forces Phoneix Raven one of the few combat jobs of the Air Force.

I understand that, but. Security Forces more or less defend Air force and act as Air force police. While Army MP's are more involved in the fighting and are attached to infantry units etc. I'm not trying to slight your choice joining the Air force.
Unless Russia joins in and bombs the hells out of the US. As most of the supposed war economic booms actually resulted from the efforts of rebuilding the nation afterwards.

I doubt however that NATO will play a role in this. None of their nation has been attacked. And its already hard to find countries willing to send troops to Afghanistan. Which is a very low intensity war.[

Actually, I wouldn't be to surprised to see more compliance from the NATO allies if the Iran situation goes hot. Especially seeing as Iran has the missiles to reach the eastern parts of Europe.