Desperation

[Traveler]

How long before these guys stop shooting themselves and start shooting the sheriffs.

http://cbs3.com/local/Foreclosure.Su...2.1584571.html

[Blu-ray]

How long before these guys stop shooting themselves and start shooting the sheriffs.

http://cbs3.com/local/Foreclosure.Su...2.1584571.html

http://www.raidersnewsnetwork.com/ObamaFacism.jpg

The image in your post has nothing to do with the subject matter of the article. This is also old news in respect that people have been doing this for a long time. It happened in all the previous economic down turns where people lost their homes and it is happening now.

During tough economic times people are more depressed and more likely to take their life. It's just one of those things.

[Sirius]

Did you read the jaw dropping comments on that webpage? Is that the way everyone in philly thinks?

[Broddie]

I fear Obama will not take to criticism lightly.

We may see more raids

[Cartesiantheater]

Lord. These militia people are fucking retards who THINK they are in control of their behavior but IN REALITY they are merely a statistical inevitability: every single time there is an economic downturn these idiots rise up and start talking about getting ready for the final war against evil- NWO, antichrist, you name it. Also, suicide rates go up. It happens EVERY SINGLE TIME. And since economic downturns are CYCLICAL, so are upturns in this idiotic behavior.


EDIT- I see Blu-Ray beat me to it, and he is right.

[Anarch]

It is only a mater of time really.Economics is just one of the aspects of the issues that will further the problem of civil unrest.

[MaximumPain]

So how do you find a way to blame this on the president Traveler? These people were likely the victims of predatory lenders and were probably holders of an ARM type mortgage. So Ironically (because of the stupid ignorant image you posted) it was the greedy capitalists that screwed them and not the president. Even if they lost their homes due to losing their jobs you can blame that on the previous administrations spending like a drunken sailor and allowing their corporate masters to run roughshod all over America and boondoggle us out of trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[MaximumPain]

I fear Obama will not take to criticism lightly.

We may see more raids

I fear we may see more paranoid idiots posting on these boards.

Look! Im a profit!

[Broddie]

I fear we may see more paranoid idiots posting on these boards.

Look! Im a profit!

I think you would have loved living in Germany in the 30's.

Getting to turn in any one who spoke out against the government, even to go as far as pushing some into the ovens I bet.

Looks like you may get your way if Obama keeps this up.

[lycanox]

And do you have any evidence for that claim.
Or is that just what the bad voices tell you to post.

Seriously. Your whole reasoning is pretty standandard for right wing conspiracy nuts.
Anything other than the extreme right dogma that any little step to the left is communism and fashism. And that everybody that disagrees with you is just a brain washed nut.

While in reallity, your lack of reasonable responces show clearly who really the brainwashed nut is here.

[MaximumPain]

I think you would have loved living in Germany in the 30's.

Getting to turn in any one who spoke out against the government, even to go as far as pushing some into the ovens I bet.

Looks like you may get your way if Obama keeps this up.

Again you speak out your ass! In fact fuck you for comparing what is going on today with that crime against humanity. You obviously need some serious help for your paranoia. Have you been feeding on the conspiracy theory sites again Broddie? All your arguments come form that point of view. If you would post a real criticism of the health care bill or even a poorly crafted one showing how this is the equivalent of the raise of the Nazi party in 30s Germany I may give you a little respect. But instead you just make more unsupported claims trying to call Obama Hitler..... are you really that stupid?

[Traveler]

I would say that a lot of you have missed the point.

The one set of circumstances invariable leads to the other. The number of steps between the suicide and totalitarian state are many but the stage has been set for it to happen.

Do you really think that Stalin rose to power with the intention of being the bad guy? Well as it turns out he was, all leaders have to respond to situations.

Now look at the ground work that has been laid out that BO has to respond to. What direction do you think he is going to go in? Of course the country is going to end up a totalitarian dictatorship.

[MaximumPain]

You never made a point Traveler you posted an article and a propaganda picture and the two are pretty much unrelated unless you really think that Obama is throwing people out of their houses or wants to destroy Americas economy so that communism can get started here?

Your position (which I can only assume by your propaganda picture you posted) is based on fear and conspiracy theory's and you have added nothing to make me think any different. Also Im offended by your attempt to compare Obama and those other assholes in that piece of propaganda filth you posted. Those men killed millions of people and by using it in that way you make lite of their horrible atrocities. For doing that you are scum Traveler.

[Nasik]

I would say that a lot of you have missed the point.

The one set of circumstances invariable leads to the other. The number of steps between the suicide and totalitarian state are many but the stage has been set for it to happen.

Do you really think that Stalin rose to power with the intention of being the bad guy? Well as it turns out he was, all leaders have to respond to situations.

Now look at the ground work that has been laid out that BO has to respond to. What direction do you think he is going to go in? Of course the country is going to end up a totalitarian dictatorship.

First of all, the inflamatory picture you included with your post portrays fascism and now you cite Stalin, who purported to be communist. Given communism and fascism represent opposite ends of the political scale, I'm not sure how President Obama can be both, at the same time.

You haven't made such a statement, however, I do see that posters here tend to employ the terms fascism and communism as if they are interchangable. They are not.

I think there are some dire times ahead for the United States. Unfortunately, the only power to effectively diffuse that - the people - have been polarized and the information they receive now is so distilled and spun that it takes some effort to obtain hard facts - when hard facts are most needed. People have forsaken their own critical thought and simply dovetailed on the populism espoused by their favorite celebrity/aka newscaster or radio jockey.

If the people don't have the facts, then it's difficult for them to mobilize together, which is the only they can effect positive change - through a concerted effort.

You seem to think that Obama is ushering in fascism. Some simplistic definitions for fascism include where business controls the country. If we adopt that definition, the US has been slowly gravitating to fascism for decades. The sad truth is, that the large corporations, the monied sectors in society have a voice - and the people do not.

People should rightly be upset about this - but instead, a miracle has happened and Kissinger's "crisis of democracy" averted - the people are either following ghosts by believing conspiracy theories, or they are fighting with one another. It is a good way to make sure that the inertia in the public remains, effectively immobilizing any large protests.

Obama is maintaining a status quo that has been in the political system of the United States for a long time. When lobbiests can sway politicians and leglislation is swayed by corporate sponsors - it's hard to see how the common man or woman can do anything about it.

There is an oligarchy of sorts in the US - and it is the corporation. While I subscribe to the capitalist system, I don't subscribe to a system where the corporation can control the democratic process by controlling the so called representatives of the people.

[MaximumPain]

Wow that was a great post Freaked! That is almost exactly how I see it that the corporations and rich foreign nations like the Chinese, Saudi Arabians, and Israel are controlling people within our government and its not the best interests of America they have in mind.

Meanwhile most Americans are blasted with propaganda through the mind control device (TV). I should mention that I don't see it as some strange brain waves that take you over its the simple repeating the same meme over and over again through many different angles commercials, pundits, news programs, and even in the shows themselves. After enough of that people (at least many of them) are like clay to be molded and controlled. Of course that's not enough so they manufacture enemy's for us to fear or use existing ones and blow their threat way out of proportion. A scared populace is an easily manipulated one. The best trick is to pit Republicans against Democrats (or whatever fucking label we want to put on them today) making us think each other is the enemy all the while we have a corporate dick buried in our ass and a foreign one in our mouth. They control the government to a point and they own the media so I think they got us.

Im not sure what to do about it at this point. Violence cannot work thats for sure. Peaceful protest against who? The government? The corporations? Any ideas?

[Anarch]

Seriously. Your whole reasoning is pretty standandard for right wing conspiracy nuts.

Where do you think we are? A political forum? This site panders to the apocalypse. Conspiracy nuts from all sides of the spectrum is par for the course.

[lycanox]

That however does not mean that the "I am right and everybody that does not agree with me is brainwashed" argument is acceptable.

Even conspiracy theorist are expected to at least attempt to explain their reasoning.