New relationship of 666

[ben91069]

I have long wondered what the so-called mark of the beast is and the mythical number 666 really means. In fact I believe I have spent my whole life wondering about these things.

Before the advent of the technology to mark people with microchips in an effort of identifying them and to also provide a conduit for monetary exchange, I believed that it may someday happen in this manner. The main drawback to this is that we currently have a mark of the beast system in place with the Social Security system in the US. We are not yet marked in the hand or the forehead, but we essentially have a mark that without it we could not easily have cash in hand and buy and sell. So what is the difference in God's eyes of having a microchip or a SS card?

Their are two references in the Bible I would like to bring up but I will not quote directly:

One - Jesus said, the flesh means nothing at all.
Two - All sins are forgiven except one - blaspheming the spirit.

These two statements do not contradict each other, in fact they say the same thing: The physical world is forgiveable in all cases.

This is exactly what Jesus said all throughout his ministry that all sins have, is, and will be forgiven.

So, we are left with this dirty deed of to take a mark or not. I have been led to believe that it makes no difference at all. What leads me to believe this is a revelation of sorts I had about 9 years ago and I will explain. To me it makes no difference whether you believe this theory or not, for it is my own opinion and I do not try to make believers out of anyone. This is just and idea that may or may not have meaning to you.

First of all, if we are to believe Jesus' saying that the flesh means nothing, then one could conclude that it is the spirit that matters and not our deeds. The flesh is another phrase meaning the physical. It can be stretched to include all that is physical. Our whole physical world in fact. I won't go that far, but I would state that by denying what Jesus' said about the flesh meaning nothing, we are really saying the flesh means something. This is saying that living flesh is something we worship - the physical.

Here is what I have concluded regarding living flesh and the mark of the beast:

All living things could be construed as equal to the word used as flesh (my opinion). Living things are made of the base element of Carbon. If one studies the periodic table of elements, on can find Carbon as the 6th element on the table. The number 6 is symbolically linked to as man's number or the number of man. The periodic table is also organized by an elements mass of man made numbers.

The peculiar thing about the 6th element are that all elements contain three components; protons, neutrons, and electrons. Carbon has 6 of each, making it comprised of 6,6,6. I think this is the key to the elusive number of man 666. It is merely the worship of the flesh or physical life.

Another note on carbon based life is that it requires the element oxygen for life to occur. Oxygen is the 7th element or symbolically the number of perfection or God. Also, Carbon shows the duality of good and evil in man in that it similarly can take on two opposite forms. Carbon can be black, dirty and valueless in the form of graphite or it can show light, brilliance, and invaluable in the form of a diamond.

I hope you found this evaluation interesting.

Mr. Ben

[Doomer]

Very interesting Mr. Ben.

It's difficult for me to believe that the flesh means nothing at all every time I see a hottie. I'll admit I'm weak. After all, there is Sarah Michelle Gellar. Is she meaningless flesh ? Not to me, sorry.

[autryn2]

The key to recognizing the mark of the beast is the fact that 1) it is world wide and 2) you can't buy or sell without it.

My belief is that it will be born in or through the internet because thats the ONLY worldwide mechanism going right now. The other key is hand held money.... when hand held money is totally replaced, look for the mark to replace it.

Obviously, your SSN# is not the mark, or your credit card. You can buy food without either right now.

The mark will also count (or number) the people of the world, and this is against God's law (as rooted in the story of king david in the old testament).

The mark will be presented as a good thing to those who don't know any better. It will be said that the mark will eliminate stealing, drug sales, prostitution, and the like, but this mark is an abomination to God.

Also, sorry to all the pre-tribulation rapturists out there, but we will ALL still be here. Denying the mark will will confirm the faith of the fence-sitters (Christian wanna-be's). Imagine the amount of faith it will take to reject the mark, and in turn be rejected by society! Christ was also rejected by the people of His day.

Don't worry... the mark is not going to be some hidden thing thats going to jump up and swallow you without your knowledge.... EVERYONE will know what they're doing... each will make his (her) own choice. To either deny yourself (your physical self... financial ruin, conflict in your family, hunger, etc...) or accept the mark with full knowledge of your actions (we all know when we sin), take the easier road in the SHORT RUN, and burn in hell forever.

[LC Jeffries]

Heres and interesting Concept. Computers are the Anti Christ. Most machine and digital calculations ends in 6's.

Also if you spell COMPUTER and assign a number for each letter.

C O M P U T E R
3 15 13 16 21 20 5 18 = 111

Then mutiply 111x6= 666

This works with decerning who or what just may be anti-christ.

Just something Fun.

[stewey]

Paranoid has 3 different vowels.

3 x 222 = 666! omg!

sorry couldn't resist!

[DarkAce]

I believe I've said this before in the other 666/mark of the beast threads, but why is the mark so bad again?

The mark will be presented as a good thing to those who don't know any better. It will be said that the mark will eliminate stealing, drug sales, prostitution, and the like, but this mark is an abomination to God.

God forbid man should take matters into it's own hands and eliminate all those bad things. No, we should wait until Jesus comes back so he can drop kick all those who reject him to hell and make the world right again. FFS...

I don't even think I have to explain any other flawed points. Logic would be lost on you.

[prezhorusin04]

If you take every letter in the alphabet and add 6, thus A=6, B=12, C=18, D=24, ect..And then ADD the numbers to the lettters in computer, you will get 666.

[LC Jeffries]

I never thought of that way. But it still get's the same number one way or another.

Brilliant.

[jjserio]

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[stewey]

I wouldn't worry about Mayan calendar. They couldn't predict or stop their own demise, I really doubt they can predict ours. Anything taken from the bible can be taken many, many ways. Revelations was written in pseudo-code to give hope to persecuted Christians.

>>I assume that theres a microbotic chip made up of organic cosmic plasma that will be networked & have infinite capabilities. It's a super intelligent programmed entitiy that will be self powered by property & will capsule in a host via our bodies. This system & its devices will have mastered the 3rd dimension just as it see's it end. <<

As a computer scientist, I am happy to say that this is impossible. Artificial Intelligence is impossible theoretically -- programs just do what theyre programmed to do. Also, how do you get 666 = cashless society?

I believe in God; I do not feel the bible can be taken very seriously, however. It's morals and ethics yes, but its "predictions" and stories, no.

[jjserio]

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[LC Jeffries]

Wow, this is excellent. If this does not convince someone that I don't know what will.

We've just recently received as a gift a Yorkshire Terror. He has a chip in the back of his neck. He came with one because he has a pedigree and really is not a cheap dog. I like the idea a little bit when it comes to pets.

I hope we never have to use it. But when you force people to take a chip just to keep track of them, that is very anti-christ.

[DarkAce]

First off, did Jesus mention anything about the mark or the anti-christ, etc? Nope.

Religion has copied itself over so much throughout the millenias that much of the symbolism and philosophical aspects of the myths have been loss due to people twisting them around and incorporating their own agendas and beliefs into it.

These essay type responses would garner that you're capable of reasoning, so wouldn't you give thought that a lot of what's said is used as fear tactics to make sure people follow christianity and only christianity. This goes beyond just the mark of the beast but with the rest of revelations as well. Jesus is bringing down his wrath and all those who don't accept him shall perish, etc.

God would not mete out such stiff punishment for simply accepting an identification and credit mark that allows you to consume commercial products.

Ever actually read the bible? Especially the Old Testament? If you have then you would know God has punished/killed/smited people for much less and sometimes for no apparent reason.

If you see a government arise and its leader demands your allegiance, your loyalty, and even your worship, don’t fall for it. Regardless of the economic "incentives" offered or the retribution that threatens those who refuse his mark and number, give your love and worship to the true God, your Creator, who loves and cares for you, and will see you through the days ahead if you put your trust in Him.

See the part I have in bold, governments and countries have been doing this throughout the ages. Was the mark of the beast there and then? Thanks also for determining for everyone that there is a God (only one) and he loves us and will protect us in the future if we believe in him. Right how about the now? How about all the suffering, poverty and hatge in the world now? How about all the problems in the world now and of past that were a result of religion and God's love? Where was he then and now?
You claim to not be a part of religion my ass, you seem like a fundamentalist in denial.

You can see why it was not to be changed & why our ancients held it so sacred.

Ancients held many things sacred. Until other cultures came and destroyed what they held sacred and made them convert to their ideologies. The Jews would of probably been wiped out completly also if there culture wasn't such an integral part of Christianity when it began it's dominion.

The Mayan calendar is blank for a 12 year period (2000-2012) upon entering the godly 4th dimension which is the time of great change in form, free of evilness. The blank period may be a time of uncertainty.

Perhaps it's when masses of people begin to see what a crock of shit most religions are and the deceit and lies told by them. When we are able to think with open, rational and logical minds and not be clouded by biases. It's not called the new golden age of conscience(or whatever) for nothing.

Lets look at the pros and cons and see if you can figure out which is better.

Pros: Taken straight from one of your articles:
It will be a New World Order, under which national boundaries dissolve, and ethnic groups, ideologies, religions, and economics from around the world, orchestrate a single and dominant sovereignty. The system will supposedly be free of religious and political extremes, and membership will tolerate the philosophical and cultural differences of its constituents. Except for minor nonconformities, war, terrorism, and hunger will be a thing of the past.

Cons: Alleged eternal damnation in the afterlife(only by the christian faith).
Which wouldn't matter even if you don't accept the supposed mark because if you're not christian Jesus is coming to kick your ass along with the plagues.

Possible paranoia scenarios where you will be a mindless drone or controlled. (Hmm how many paranoia scenarios have I heard that attributed to before...government sponsered vaccinations anyone?)

Hmmm which sounds better, logically and is more plausible? Right.
You do realize many of the other faiths, even the ancient ones have speaked that this age is for the better of humanity.
Only the guilt provoking, don't ask questions, faith of Christianity is trying to reprise it and keep things the way they are.
Which includes, poverty, starvation, terrorism, war, etc.

[VegasRonin]

Well, I'm not christian but I definitely won't accept any type of microchip implant. If I see it becoming mandatory then I'd probably become a christian. I might accept cybernetic augmentation though.

[Doomer]

I imagine these microchips would be easy to kill. One of those high voltage phasers would probably fry it and give you a temporary thrill at the same time.

[jjserio]

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[terminatordrei]

I think Revelation was a coded book written for early christians because they were persecuted by the Romans. The author was maybe trying to expand the message of the gospels by using metaphores. That is why I think it is difficult to say when the author was "prophesing" or simply telling christians more on their faith.

I'll quote the Catholic Encyclopedia. The complete article is found at:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01594b.htm

"PURPOSE OF THE BOOK

From this cursory perusal of the book, it is evident that the Seer was influenced by the prophecies of Daniel more than by any other book. Daniel was written with the object of comforting the Jews under the cruel persecution of Antiochus Epiphanes. The Seer in the Apocalypse had a similar purpose. The Christians were fiercely persecuted in the reign of Domitian. The danger of apostasy was great. False prophets went about, trying to seduce the people to conform to the heathen practices and to take part in the Caesar-worship. The Seer urges his Christians to remain true to their faith and to bear their troubles with fortitude. He encourages them with the promise of an ample and speedy reward. He assures them that Christ s triumphant coming is at hand. Both in the beginning and at the end of his book the Seer is most emphatic in telling his people that the hour of victory is nigh. He begins, saying: "Blessed is he that . . . keepeth those things which are written in it; for the time is at hand" (i. 3). He closes his visions with the pathetic words: "He that giveth testimony of these things saith, Surely I come quickly: Amen. Come, Lord Jesus". With the coming of Christ the woes of the Christians will be avenged. Their oppressors will be given up to the judgment and the everlasting torments. The martyrs that have fallen will be raised to life, that they may share the pleasures of Christ's kingdom, the millennium. Yet this is but a prelude to the everlasting beatitude which follows after the general resurrection. It is an article of faith that Christ will return at the end of time to judge the living and the dead. But the time of His second advent is unknown. "But of that day and hour no one knoweth, no, not the angels of heaven, but the Father alone" (Matt., xxiv, 36). It would appear, and is so held by many that the Christians of the Apostolic age expected that Christ would return during their own lifetime or generation. This seems to be the more obvious meaning of several passages both in the Epistles and Gospels (cf. John, xxi 21-23, Thess., iv, 13-18). The Christians of Asia Minor and the Seer with them, appear to have shared this fallacious expectation. Their mistaken hope, however, did not affect the soundness of their belief in the essential part of the dogma. Their views of a millennial period of corporal happiness were equally erroneous. The Church has wholly cast aside the doctrine of a millennium previous to the resurrection. St. Augustine has perhaps more than any one else helped to free the Church from all crude fancies as regards its pleasures. He explained the millennium allegorically and applied it to the Church of Christ on earth. With the foundation of the Church the millennium began. The first resurrection is the spiritual resurrection of the soul from sin (De Civ. Dei Lib. XX). Thus the number 1,000 is to be taken indefinitely. "

The beast from the sea that had received plenitude of power from the dragon, or Satan, is the Roman Empire, or rather, Caesar, its supreme representative. The token of the beast with which its servants are marked is the image of the emperor on the coins of the realm. This seems to be the obvious meaning of the passage, that all business transactions, all buying and selling were impossible to them that had not the mark of the beast (Ap., xiii. 17). Against this interpretation it is objected that the Jews at the time of Christ had no scruple in handling money on which the image of Caesar was stamped (Matt., xxii 15-22). But it should be borne in mind that the horror of the Jews for the imperial images was principally due to the policy of Caligula. He confiscated several of their synagogues, changing them into heathen temples by placing his statue in them. He even sought to erect an image of himself in the Temple of Jerusalem (Jos., Ant., XVIII, viii, 2).

..."The seven heads of the beast are seven emperors. Five of them the Seer says are fallen. They are Augustus Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero. The year of Nero's death is A.D. 68. The Seer goes on to say "One is", namely Vespasian, A.D. 70-79. He is the sixth emperor. The seventh, we are told by the Seer, "is not yet come. But when he comes his reign will be short". Titus is meant, who reigned but two years (79-81). The eighth emperor is Domitian (81-96). Of him the Seer has something very peculiar to say. He is identified with the beast. He is described as the one that "was and is not and shall come up out of the bottomless pit" (xvii, 8). In verse 11 it is added: "And the beast which was and is not: the same also is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into destruction". All this sounds like oracular language. But the clue to its solution is furnished by a popular belief largely spread at the time. The death of Nero had been witnessed by few. Chiefly in the East a notion had taken hold of the mind of the people that Nero was still alive. Gentiles, Jews, and Christians were under the illusion that he was hiding himself, and as was commonly thought, he had gone over to the Parthians, the most troublesome foes of the empire. From there they expected him to return at the head of a mighty army to avenge himself on his enemies. The existence of this fanciful belief is a well-attested historic fact. Tacitus speaks of it: "Achaia atque Asia falso exterrit velut Nero adventaret, vario super ejus exitu rumore eoque pluribus vivere eum fingentibus credentibusque" (Hist., II, 8). So also Dio Chrysostomus: kai nyn (about A.D. 100) eti pantes epithymousi zen oi de pleistoi kai oiontai (Orat., 21, 10; cf. Suet., "Vit. Caes." s.v. Nero, 57, and the Sibyliine Oracles, V, 28-33). Thus the contemporaries of the Seer believed Nero to be alive and expected his return. The Seer either shared their belief or utilized it for his own purpose. Nero had made a name for himself by his cruelty and licentiousness. The Christians in particular had reason to dread him. Under him the first persecution took place. The second occurred under Domitian. But unlike the previous one, it was not confined to Italy, but spread throughout the provinces. Many Christians were put to death, many were banished (Eusebius, Hist. Eccl., III, 17-19). In this way the Seer was led to regard Domitian as a second Nero, "Nero redivivus". Hence he described him as "the one that was, that is not, and that is to return". Hence also he counts him as the eighth and at the same time makes him one of the preceding seven, viz. the fifth, Nero. The identification of the two emperors suggested itself all the more readily since even pagan authors called Domitian a second Nero (calvus Nero, Juvenal. IV, 38). The popular belief concerning Nero's death and return seems to be referred to also in the passage (xiii, 3): "And I saw one of its heads as it were slain to death: and its death's wound was healed".

"The ten horns are commonly explained as the vassal rulers under the supremacy of Rome. They are described as kings (basileis), here to be taken in a wider sense, that they are not real kings, but received power to rule with the beast. Their power, moreover, is but for one hour, signifying its short duration and instability (xvii, 17). The Seer has marked the beast with the number 666. His purpose was that by this number people may know it. He that has understanding, let him count the number of the beast. For it is the number of a man: and his number is six hundred and sixty-six. A human number, i.e. intelligible by the common rules of investigation. We have here an instance of Jewish gematria. Its object is to conceal a name by substituting for it a cipher of equal numerical value to the letters composing it. For a long time interpreters tried to decipher the number 666 by means of the Greek alphabet, e.g. Irenæus, "Adv. Haer.", V, 33. Their efforts have yielded no satisfactory result. Better success has been obtained by using the Hebrew alphabet. Many scholars have come to the conclusion that Nero is meant. For when the name "Nero Caesar" is spelled with Hebrew letters, it yields the cipher 666. "

*So, 666 could be Nero and the mark may have referred to apostasy and loyalty to the empire. I think it makes sense with the mark needed for buying and selling.

"The second beast, that from the land, the pseudoprophet whose office was to assist the beast from the sea, probably signifies the work of seduction carried on by apostate Christians. They endeavoured to make their fellow Christians adopt the heathen practices and submit themselves to the cultus of the Caesar. They are not unlikely the Nicolaitans of the seven Epistles. For they are there compared to Balaam and Jezabel seducing the Israelites to idolatry and fornication. The woman in travail is a personification of the synagogue or the church. Her first-born is Christ, her other seed is the community of the faithful. "

[Defiant Noquisi]

We've just recently received as a gift a Yorkshire Terror. He has a chip in the back of his neck. He came with one because he has a pedigree and really is not a cheap dog. I like the idea a little bit when it comes to pets.

Think about it, now your actions can be tracked via the dog.

[VegasRonin]

Think about it, now your actions can be tracked via the dog.

Never thought of that, and I'm suppose to think of things like that. Its my job. Oh well, a little wiser today, and its a good thing.

[Defiant Noquisi]

Well, I'm not christian but I definitely won't accept any type of microchip implant. If I see it becoming mandatory then I'd probably become a christian. I might accept cybernetic augmentation though.

No way am I going to accept being "tagged" or becoming christian. Nope, nope, nope, no way, no how. Ill go back to the days of bartering and living off the land. Id even live in a cave before I caved into having something that could record my every move.

[mysticalzoe]

does anyone have the date when the family in Florida got branded? On the today show? It's too scary to think about, it's actually going to happen!

[LC Jeffries]

Think about it, now your actions can be tracked via the dog.

The vet told me that the only way they can use it is if he got lost. Sattlelites can't realy find where he is. At least thats what their telling me. It maybe otherwise.