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    LOOSE CANNON Contributor Waymarker thinks Socrates was a wuss Waymarker thinks Socrates was a wuss Waymarker thinks Socrates was a wuss Waymarker thinks Socrates was a wuss Waymarker thinks Socrates was a wuss Waymarker thinks Socrates was a wuss Waymarker thinks Socrates was a wuss Waymarker thinks Socrates was a wuss Waymarker thinks Socrates was a wuss Waymarker thinks Socrates was a wuss Waymarker thinks Socrates was a wuss Waymarker's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cartesiantheater View Post
    ..I prefer to listen to people who present FACTUAL, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE to their claims..
    Impossible mate. We might all be be inside some giant holodeck for all we know, or a collective dream/illusion.
    Tell us Morpheus-
    "The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work... when you go to church... when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.
    That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind.
    I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it.
    Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to wake from that dream? How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?"


    What do you say Jesus?-
    "You hardly believe me when I tell you earthly things,so how would you believe me if I told you heavenly things?...you are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world" John 3:12,John 8:23

    "You can be in my dream if i can be in your dream" -Bob Dylan
    "We are such stuff as dreams are made on" -The Tempest
    "Strawberry Fields...nothing is real" - The Beatles
    "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one'' -Einstein
    "What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes" (James 4:14)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waymarker View Post
    Impossible mate. We might all be be inside some giant holodeck for all we know, or a collective dream/illusion.

    Tell us Morpheus-
    "The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work... when you go to church... when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.
    That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind.
    I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it.
    Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to wake from that dream? How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?"

    And yet:

    Quote Originally Posted by Morpheus
    I've seen an agent punch through a concrete wall. Men have emptied entire clips at them and hit nothing but air. Yet their strength and their speed are still based in a world that is built on rules.
    Within the scope of your proposed delusion, there are still certain PATTERNS and RULES which can be deciphered.




    Quote Originally Posted by Waymarker View Post
    What do you say Jesus?-
    "You hardly believe me when I tell you earthly things,so how would you believe me if I told you heavenly things?...you are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world" John 3:12,John 8:23
    Imagine if Jesus tried to tell them about relativity. I wonder how that would go... and yet, there are no problems with it now, for those who are willing to learn.

    Quote Originally Posted by Waymarker View Post
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    "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one'' -Einstein
    Bad context. He was just stating that the way we perceive the universe is faulty.


    Quote Originally Posted by Waymarker View Post
    "What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes" (James 4:14)[/I]
    So what? A mist can make up a bunch of bullshit or it can substantiate its claims. (an anthropomorphic mist, that is...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cartesiantheater View Post
    I'm a sinner, but that's not what I prefer. I prefer to listen to people who present FACTUAL, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE to their claims, rather than appeals to faith or logical fallacies.

    This naturally makes it very difficult for someone to convince of something that pertains to religion UNLESS I am assuming that the idea only necessarily exists within the confines of the hypotheses of the religion itself, and that it may or may not have anything to do with THIS universe.

    You don't have to worry about being religious. You were made to be skeptical of it. I was made to be a sinless saint and preach the gospel but that came after I was made to be an alcoholic and a proud father who worked hard.

    No one ever knows for sure what they might be in the future. But I know one thing. Everyone will be in the same place eventually.

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    Most of the bible is just one big collection of metaphors. Most Christians fail to see this, and as a result interpret the bible incorrectly. This results in very, very sad situations. Interpreting the bible incorrectly leads to disaster.

    In the first part of genesis (creation of the world, animals and man) days might be interpreted as ages (gosh, this fits with evolution).
    Adam and Eve might just be the first iteration of humans. They might very well have lived for just 20 years and then died. Person A lived X years, might very well mean Human Species A lasted X generations.

    Also the very interesting "I am the way" (quote from Jesus Christ) is commonly misinterpreted as meaning "believe in me and only then you will go to heaven" instead of what it actually means: "behave like me and life will be good." You know, tolerant, forgiving, loving, sharing, wise and helping (did I miss anything?).

    Be very careful when reading the bible; it's a minefield. If it is your central reference point of everything, you will fail miserably at understanding what is inside it... and worse, what is around you.

    The bible is not god's word, love is; and through love (yes, your emotion love) god will tell you whether you are doing right or wrong. The same goes for everybody else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confuzion View Post
    (did I miss anything?).
    Resurrection from physical death.
    Last edited by MHz; Aug 5th, 2011 at 11:03 PM.

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    LOOSE CANNON Contributor Waymarker thinks Socrates was a wuss Waymarker thinks Socrates was a wuss Waymarker thinks Socrates was a wuss Waymarker thinks Socrates was a wuss Waymarker thinks Socrates was a wuss Waymarker thinks Socrates was a wuss Waymarker thinks Socrates was a wuss Waymarker thinks Socrates was a wuss Waymarker thinks Socrates was a wuss Waymarker thinks Socrates was a wuss Waymarker thinks Socrates was a wuss Waymarker's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Confuzion View Post
    Most of the bible is just one big collection of metaphors. Most Christians fail to see this..
    Modern day true Christians know a lot of the Bible is metaphor, and on the other hand they know a lot is plain speaking which needs no high-fallutin 'interpretation' to understand, such as this-
    "Love God, love one another, feed the hungry, house the homeless, clothe the destitute, tend the sick, visit the prisoners, look after the poor"-Jesus of Nazareth (Matt 25: 37-40)

    Imagine contacting a remote jungle tribe who'd never seen a white man before, you stay with them and learn their language, then when they ask you to teach them stuff, you say- "You're on a huge ball of mud spinning through space".
    Natch, they wouldn't believe you and would probably think you're touched in the head and they'd eat you.
    Likewise Jesus said some pretty weird things which peoples minds couldn't take in, so he ended up being killed too..

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    A real life example of that happened, the People who were the first to meet Cortez did just that, he killed many, put the rest in chains and made them do the heavy work in cleaning out the silver mines and then he killed them. If facts make any difference.

    Jesus was destined to go to the grave as part of the sequence that had to be followed that was God's plan for salvation for mankind. The weird teaching method was also in prophecy, odd that it was misunderstood as today we use parables because they are easier to understand than the 'hard facts'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freddy View Post
    Praise the Word is gone!
    The religious Jews said that about Jesus, too.
    I am the way, the truth and the light of life. There is no other God besides me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MHz View Post
    A real life example of that happened, the People who were the first to meet Cortez did just that, he killed many, put the rest in chains and made them do the heavy work in cleaning out the silver mines and then he killed them. If facts make any difference.

    Jesus was destined to go to the grave as part of the sequence that had to be followed that was God's plan for salvation for mankind. The weird teaching method was also in prophecy, odd that it was misunderstood as today we use parables because they are easier to understand than the 'hard facts'.
    We're all destined to die as a sinner, a sinful prophet, sinless saint, or messiah.
    I am the way, the truth and the light of life. There is no other God besides me.


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