Bush/FBI let Bin Laden Family go Debunked

[Defiant Noquisi]

Yes, of course. Bush knew it was gonna happen- to the day, hour, second. Thats why he stayed with the kids. If he had been brash about it, many mad libs (as mad lib Christopher Hitchens pointed out) "would now be calling him a man who went to war on a hectic, crazed impulse. The other half would be saying what they already say—that he knew the attack was coming, was using it to cement himself in power, and couldn't wait to get on with his coup."

Hey subs, could you please explain the above quote? The way Im reading it, it looks to me like you are saying Bush knew the exact moment that the first plane was going to crash into the first tower. The implication is that he knew all about it and did nothing. If thats the case I will most certainly change my opinion.

[Defiant Noquisi]

Well, thats assuming Bush is smart enough to have been reading the story. Obviously, he wasn't. He was just looking at the book while the children read it to him! He's smart enough to be able to read his lying script that Dick Cheney (et al) gave to him about WMD and other "Bush Lies," but he couldn't possibly have been smart enough to be reading to the kids. He was pretending to read because he knew the attacks were coming (why else would he not have been in the white house? except I will then bitch about his "being on vaction too much" (away from the whitehouse).

Geez subs, are you serious about this or are you messing around? Gimme facts man, facts! (Im want info on him knowing about 9/11 beforehand, the rest is obvious)

[dcookcan]

wow. never heard that one before. since christians don't live up to thier own standards (and can't because men are sinners) they are automatically hypocrites. Sure, but everyone says that. I suppose no one else is. Well, actually, I know many people aren't because they hold themselves to no standard, therefore they cannot be a hypocrite. And I assume you think that Christianity and other religions are bound by the literal interpretation of thier respective holy books and incapable of discovering new ideas. They all assume man's inspiration from God cannot be faulty because after all, it was man who wrote it down, and man is infallible. So thus, because Christians in the west discovered nationalism and freedom (among other things) either they were not Christians or these things were never discovered.

I should clarify my position somewhat. I am refering to fundamentalist types that claim they believe everything from Genesis to Revelation.

Actually, "all men have sinned..." not "all men are sinners"
Very different perspectives.

[dcookcan]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Al Qaeda plans a large-scale attack on the United States "in an effort to disrupt the democratic process" before November's elections, Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge said Thursday (July 8,2004).

It certainly won't hurt Bush's chances for a second term if Al Qaeda succeeds in another large scale attack on America. Hmmm

[Emerald_Dragon]

>No one who had such intelligence, or who had discovered it,
>or who was familiar with it on
> a daily basis thought it was enough to put thier word of thier life or thier
>career or anything on the line for.

Yes. There were.
Colleen Rowley
http://www.blythe.org/nytransfer-subs/Covert_Actions/Agent_Collen_Rowley_Accuses_FBI_of_'sabotage'

Robert Wright, Kenneth Williams
[http://www.williambowles.info/911/911_fbi.html]

and Sibel Edmonds even lost her job over it.



>and who among us thought the first crash was anything more than an accident?
>I sure didn't.

i agree. even Bush thought the first crash was just bad piloting. He saw it, but never said he saw the first crash again. and the links that i had, with what he has said about them, are no longer up. i see the cleanup crew is at work...ah well. such is life. you can't prove it, if there's no evidence...


>Since it was never shown here because it was debunked in the UK,
>what the hell difference does it make?

that it was even dared to be released as 'actual footage' from the day. the audacity. attempting to portray a fast-reacting POTUS on top of the issues, etc.


>and your entire argument assumes that every individual will be completely
>rational during a traumatic event

i would agree if GW was witness to the crash or was involved in it. but he wasn't. seeing a bad video of it wouldn't phase me either [ie, the 1st crash]. i heard about it and wasn't traumatized. I was shocked/disbelieving/curious, but traumatized into non-chalant befuddled aloofness, i would not be.


>or are we hated for having a rightist president who did go to the UN
>and used the same reasons as clinton used,

Bush sent troops. Clinton sent missiles. I'm upset because we are making more terrorists with our occupation than Clinton did when he killed off some alleged terrorist cells.

[substand]

dn- yes i was being sarcastic.

i would agree if GW was witness to the crash or was involved in it. but he wasn't. seeing a bad video of it wouldn't phase me either [ie, the 1st crash]. i heard about it and wasn't traumatized. I was shocked/disbelieving/curious, but traumatized into non-chalant befuddled aloofness, i would not be.

Well I dont know what we mean by traumatized.... but i would say i was more along the lines of the 2nd part of what you said.. and I only heard it on the radio when it first happened. I guess its diff people in diff circumstances that depends on the reaction. Bush acted better than I did, so I give him credit. He acted worse than you did, so you dont give him much.

and about the first part... i really tried... i didn't quite beleive the site (linked, if you take out the "]") so I did some research... Googling for "Catherine Austin Fitts" comes up with astology and conspiracy stuff... I went a few pages deep and still didn't find a "credible" news source on her.... in any case, it matters not... there were few people who were willing to do what she did (assuming what she did is as you say). Considering the who US intel community beleived it (even with group think), plus the rest of the world's intel agencies, perhaps i should have not said "no one" put anything on the line to make a point, but "no one" did in comparison to the rest of the world.

[Defiant Noquisi]

dn- yes i was being sarcastic.

Whew, damn you was spooking me!