US trying to provoke war with Iran?

**MetalMilitia** · Jul 8th, 2004 1:48 AM

The US military is trying to start a war with Iran, and they have been caught trying to use the UK to do the dirty work for them.

In July last year the US military commander in Iraq ordered thousands of British troops to launch a full-scale attack on Iranian positions at the border with Iran. If the British commander had not broken the chain of command by blocking the orders, it is likely that the allies would now be at war with Iran. ( http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news..._GHlQ&refer=uk )

A recent open memorandum published by the Project for the New American Century under the title "Regime Change for Iran" makes it clear what the agenda is for Iran. PNAC is a powerful group which claims to "advise" the US government on policy and strategy, but its members actually happen to be the decision-makers themselves. (http://www.newamericancentury.org/iran-20040224.htm )

Iran is currently surrounded by American and British forces on both sides, with US-occupied Iraq on its Western border and US-occupied Afghanistan on its Eastern border.

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Then, Iran forced eight British servicemen into its territorial waters when its troops captured them earlier this month, Britain said Wednesday.

The eight were detained by Iranian Revolutionary Guards after they were seized on the Shatt al-Arab waterway along the Iran-Iraq border.

They were handed over to British diplomats after three nights when Tehran said they had mistakenly veered off course.

Defense Secretary Geoff Hoon said the men had a different story.

"The initial assessment... was that these service personnel could have strayed into Iranian waters by mistake," Hoon said in a written statement to parliament. ( http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=5556393 )

Bhahaha, Well... The official story that commandos with 3 GPS units just got lost never did hold up now did it? They were spies!

"It has emerged that the Royal Marines arrested off the coast of Iran are from Faslane and Arbroath. It is understood they were on a secret reconaissance mission when they were confronted by the Iranian authorities. Foreign secretary Jack Straw is locked in talks trying to secure the marines' safe return." (http://scotlandtoday.scottishtv.co.u..._1&newsid=4125 )

Here we have all these instances of the US using the UK, trying to find any reason they can to blow the shit out of that part of the desert. It's coming sooner or later dontcha think? Sailing their ships into Iranian water, sending spies, and all the while getting caught... hoping for some excuse to go ahead and invade...

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U.S. Device Seen at Supected Iran Atomic Site

A radiation monitoring device spotted in Iran at a razed site where Washington suspects Iran conducted covert atomic bomb-related research was itself made in the United States and sold directly to Tehran, sources said. ( http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=5499017 )

This is a repeat of the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, where items used to "prove" Iraq's WMD program turned out to be innocuous devices sold by the US and UK to Iraq.

Swap "Iraq" for "Iran" and this piece reads exactly like the pro-war articles we saw the mainstream media inundate America with two years ago. Remember when the headlines where "Iraq is just 3 years away from making a nuclear bomb"?

Why shouldn't Iran seek nuclear weapons?
(After all, we've seen what the US does to nations that DON'T really have WMDs)

On Saturday, June 12th, Iranian Foreign Minister Kamal Kharrazi, in a pugnacious and defiant statement on the eve of this week's major IAEA meeting to discuss his country's nuclear ambitions, finally came out and said that Iran "has to be recognized by the international community as a member of the nuclear club." This, he vowed, is "an irreversible path."

Iranian officials have repeatedly insisted that Tehran's nuclear program is intended to generate electricity, not warheads. But many suspect -- not to put too fine a point on it -- that they are lying. Why? Because the temptation for Iran to develop a potent nuclear arsenal of its own -- driven by the contradictions of George Bush's foreign and nuclear policies -- may in the end prove too seductive to resist. ( http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0618-14.htm )

Iran has long maintained that its nuclear facilities are purely to create energy, and denies that it is developing nuclear weapons. ( I guess Iran doesn't need ANY nuclear technology because they have all that lovely OIL!)

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Iran massing troops on Iraq border

Beirut, Lebanon, Jun. 15 (UPI) -- Iran reportedly is readying troops to move into Iraq if U.S. troops pull out, leaving a security vacuum.

The Saudi daily Al-Sharq al-Awsat, monitored in Beirut, reports Iran has massed four battalions at the border.

Al-Sharq al-Awsat quoted "reliable Iraqi sources" as saying, "Iran moved part of its regular military forces towards the Iraqi border in the southern sector at a time its military intelligence agents were operating inside Iraqi territory." ( "So, you see, we just HAVE to keep our troops there. We just HAVE to. HAVE to. Get that? We Have to stay. Really." )

Back during desert storm, the US warned that Iraqi troops were massing on the border with Saudi Arabia. The Saudis believed the claim and allowed the US to stage Desert Storm out of their territory. Then the St. Petersburg Times broke the story that the photos the US showed to the Saudis were fakes, and that commercial satellite photos taken of the border at the same time showed there were no troops there at all. ( http://www.representativepress.org/LiesAboutIraq.html )\

Undeterred by the results of pre-emptive war in Iraq, the House of Representatives passed a non-binding resolution May 6 authorizing pre-emptive military strikes against Iran. The vote was 376-3. ( http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/93431 )

Iran Warns Against Attacks On Nuclear Facilities ( http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle...516bf400d.html )

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Here's an idea. Let's just nuke the whole area and turn it into one big-ass glass parking lot. Then we can westernize all of it, and put Mc Donalds everywhere? Sound good? The "Axis of Evil"... how do you feel about war on 3 fronts? Another "prevenitive strike"?

-MM-

***stewey*** · Jul 8th, 2004 2:58 AM

I agree, war with Iran would not be wise at this stage.

***dutchie*** · Jul 8th, 2004 3:30 AM

Why did it take so long for this notion to sink in with you guys?!? The US is very definitely going to start up the very same warpropaganda machine that has been applied in Iraq. And then? If Indonesia chooses to elect a fundamentalist muslim (probably not, though), are they next on the list then, being the largest muslim country in the world - and in posession of large oil reserves??? IMO a pattern might be discernible here.

**MetalMilitia** · Jul 8th, 2004 4:21 AM

I was talking about this with friends 2 weeks after we 'invaded' (not liberated) Iraq.

The truly sad part is, we're ignoring all the 'actual' countries with WMD's. Israel, Pakistan, India, and possibly North Korea (which has openly been threatening the US for how long?)

Israel ( completely ignoring the UN and bullying its neighbors), Pakistan and India have been going at it how long over kashmir (which the president thinks is a ****ing sweater) and some lunatic bastard threatening the US, openly launching missiles into the sea of Japan, and threatening to go nuclear. Perhaps we should re-examine our priorities.

Basically, the US is digging and diggin for any excuse they can to go in to Iran, guns blazing.

They say our troop reserve is fine, and that a draft "isnt' going to happen", maybe I just can't count too well. For some odd reason though, they are calling up reservists (who basically thought their service was over) and redeploying them in Iraq and Afghanistan. If memory serves me correct, it was some 6,000 people, which could possibly go as high as 30,000 depending on the situation.

I don't know what all of this has to do with the 'war on terror', it just looks like the US now thinks it is the 'world police' and no country can make a decision unless it is approved by us first.

Hey Bush, I have some WMD's in my pants. Come get 'em... or should I say... "Bring 'em on!"

I'm confizzled.

***dutchie*** · Jul 8th, 2004 4:59 AM

heh.. "world police"... I like that...

***DarkAce*** · Jul 8th, 2004 9:43 AM

Heh, you still think it's only about possessing WMD?

If you haven't realized the other reasons, which I and numerous others have stated over and over and over again, let this sink in. They're doing what's best in America's interests, **** the rest. Now ponder what exactly our interests are (hint, think years down the line also). Every country is like this, only difference is America has the balls, the $$$ and the equipment to carry through against it's enemies.

It's about preserving our way of life standards. The world isn't some fluffy, fantasy land. It's about doing what needs to be done to ensure your own survival.
And honestly, would you have it any other way? Be honest, would you change your lifestyle, etc. Because people can bitch and complain all they want, then at the end of the day they turn on the tv, watch simpsons and eat a bag of chips....

***DarkAce*** · Jul 8th, 2004 9:44 AM

I would guess Syria rather than Indoenesia.

***midnightsonblaze*** · Jul 8th, 2004 7:09 PM

DA........well put...SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST......there you go....

***Sirius*** · Jul 11th, 2004 3:04 AM

You mean survival of the richest........

an attack on iran would be beyond stupid, beyond horrible, it would make the world more unstable than it was during world war 2. we need to get rid of this lunatic in office before he ****s us all, and our children.

**repentantsinner** · Jul 11th, 2004 12:27 PM

It may have already started with the recent naval deployments. It's costing alot of money to keep 93% of our navt at sea. It's probobly to strike or blockade iran or korea

Taiwan recently elected a pro independence president, Chia says it will ANYTHING to prevent that

chia??? if we interfere they will be anything but pets :Grind:

***substand*** · Jul 13th, 2004 3:27 AM

Why did it take so long for this notion to sink in with you guys?!? The US is very definitely going to start up the very same warpropaganda machine that has been applied in Iraq.

I'm not sure we are going to... Its no doubt that Bush has declared Iran part of the "axis of evil," however, I don't think we'd invade because they are so close to rebellion themselves. Iran is in between a rock and a hard place, and don't think that our invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq didn't have any strategic point regarding Iran.

I think we'd only go to war if 1) Iranians rebelled and 2) they looked like they would never win and needed our help... in which case we'd justify it somehow.

The truly sad part is, we're ignoring all the 'actual' countries with WMD's. Israel, Pakistan, India, and possibly North Korea (which has openly been threatening the US for how long?)

number 1, would you attack the country that has WMD or the one who is developing them? This is one problem with attacking Iraq- it may make countries who don't have them want to develop them faster.

Of course Israel and India are not a threat to us, so why should we care? Seriously, its pointless to mention them because obviously they are no threat to us. Further, Pakistan is along similar lines in that they are "helping" us in the WOT, and have helped us. That only leaves North Korea, which of course we still have not had near 12 yrs of diplomacy involved with in disarming them. Our last diplomatic effort was during the 90s where we basically said "we'll give and build you nuke technology if you promise not to weaponize it," which we see they didn't follow. However, if we had invaded them, there would be more cries of fallacy and uselessness, and "no diplomatic effort was made." And perhaps (and probably) people would be saying "why didn't we invade iraq?"

Besides that, we've got major trading partners in the region who are better served to help negotiate. Not to mention that NK is not directly tied to the region in which most current terrorism comes from. They can be tied to it easily, and they will be dealt with. Now is just not the time.

**repentantsinner** · Jul 21st, 2004 8:24 PM

Just heard today that bush says that if he is re-elected he will do all he can for "REGIME CHANGE" in iran. Is it my memory or was there talk about "REGIME CHANGE" before the iraq invasion. Now there is talk of reinstating the draft, toppling the government of iran,syria, defending taiwan against china....when and where will it end? I remember just after 9/11 Bush talking about OBL he said "Theres an old west poster, wanted dead or alive" I thought the wild west days of the rootin' tootin cowboy gunslinger were over. Seriously, i see the USA backing itself into a corner it may not be able to get out of. Sooner or later all this interfering in the affairs of others will come back to us.'LET THE ISREALIS TAKE CARE OF IRANIAN NUKES'