Who will you vote for and why? (US Election)

**AnimeFreak** · Jul 9th, 2004 11:03 PM

Let's jus hope President Bush doesn't get relected or else a type of ARMAGEDDEON scenerio will happen to us the American people....
Or else he's gonna be taking a lot of "Vacations" again and might screw up the country again.....
Have anyone ever wondered if President Bush didn't won the election at the first place that he cheated!!!...

Would have September 11 ever happened if Al Gore was president?
Would the Iraqis really hate us at this point if Al Gore was elected?
Would have have the 9-11 warnings have been taken for granted if Al Gore was in office?

I am new .. I hope to meet new friends...

***bbbv3.5*** · Jul 10th, 2004 4:35 PM

There were many posts on this site to prove he did not cheat.

If you want to read them please look.

***bbbv3.5*** · Jul 10th, 2004 4:38 PM

Needs more choices your poll.

***bbbv3.5*** · Jul 10th, 2004 4:42 PM

Who are you voting for and what are your reasons why???

***Marajadex*** · Jul 10th, 2004 9:06 PM

Ok Here goes...
I'm voting for the best option to make sure Bush is not re-elected.

**Conservative Front** · Jul 11th, 2004 1:30 AM

Are You a KERRORIST? Do you really want the waffle man in office who supports Murder **"He Said he agrees that Life begins at conception, and says although he disagrees with it he believes women have the right to (KILL) Choice". or how about the man who voted for the 87 billion before he voted against it. Plus theres inexperienced Edwards (i'm waiting for the moment they attack all he's done as a trail lawyer). So thats you're Choice the #1 Liberal In the Senate (KERRY) and the #4 Liberal Senator (EDWARDS) It's the most liberal ticket since Mandale. oh and 1 more thing they say they support the working class yet *!*Kerry is worth about 1 billion and Edwards is worth about 678 Million. That would make them the RICHEST ticket in American history. Where as Bush Is Worth about 15 Million and Cheney about 23 Million.

Kerry also wants to involve the U.N. in are war efforts and allow them to commandeer the troops etc... and Can we really trust them? look at the Oil For Food Scandal that should denouce there credibility. The man in charge of it all was KILLED... makes ya think what there covering there asses for.

Kerry wants to raise gas prices more then they are we wants 1.00$ Tax on all grades so not only are we paying 1.89$ Per Gallon already are you ready to pay 3.00$ per gallon?

Kerry as flip flopped on about 67 Ideas*/*. Don't you think we should have a president in office who atleast has Ideas?

Kerry would rather found science (stem cell) instead of funding the war efforts...

Kerry wants to raise the bar on Environmental standards, which in turn could threaten new corporations so no new jobs, could threaten Auto companys no new cars... You get my drift plus it would raise are taxes

Kerry wants to get rid of all of Bush's Tax cuts and Raise taxes. which in turn will make supplys go up in price if the manufacturer is being charged 50% (not exact figure) in taxes then he will raise the prices on his goods. which is not good for Normal working joes.

So Kerry and Edwards to most liberal and richest ticket in history? My opinion WRONG FOR AMERICA.

Do you know the WAFFLE MAN?

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**Conservative Front** · Jul 11th, 2004 1:32 AM

The Ind. hopeful is Ralph Nader this year.

***stewey*** · Jul 11th, 2004 5:32 AM

Bush didn't cheat, he won fair and square, and stop popping the paranoid pills.

***bbbv3.5*** · Jul 11th, 2004 4:21 PM

Good luck to all members running....except kerry.

**Bonafide** · Jul 11th, 2004 6:05 PM

It's pretty obvious to me the AnimeFreak probably just walked out of Farenlies 911 with his comments. At least Bush has the balls to stand up for this great country. Kerry, Gore, and any other DEM would have been peeing in their pants on 911. Lets make sure we nominate a MAN and not a BOY.

**Conservative Front** · Jul 12th, 2004 12:07 AM

Well said Bonafide.

***Sirius*** · Jul 12th, 2004 12:55 AM

I am gonna vote for a man, John Kerry, a man who was brave enough to go into vietnam, sit in a boat on many dangerous rivers, and look his enemy in the eye. What was Bush doing? Avoiding the national guard trying to help with someones campaing.

***stewey*** · Jul 12th, 2004 3:11 AM

Originally Posted by Sirius

I am gonna vote for a man, John Kerry, a man who was brave enough to go into vietnam, sit in a boat on many dangerous rivers, and look his enemy in the eye. What was Bush doing? Avoiding the national guard trying to help with someones campaing.

You mean how brave he was when he pumped an unconscious vietnamese man full of lead, to get his medals? Or how he disobeyed orders by sending his crew to shore? Or how he met with the enemy, and was actually honored by the north Vietnamese government? How he admitted to "being forced" to commit war crimes because of boredom? How he said he was ashamed of his fellow troops over there?

Plus, what does military service have to do with president? My grandpa was in the military, and he would make an awful president.

***dutchie*** · Jul 12th, 2004 4:25 AM

Cut it out, you all. I will NOT have Armageddon Online serving as a vehicle for electional propaganda for EITHER SIDE!!!

PLEASE save your dribble for ANY OTHER POLITICAL FORUM!!

***DontBeAfraid*** · Jul 12th, 2004 5:02 AM

Stewey you left out the part about getting three purple hearts and a bronze (or was it silver) star.

Dutchie I think the members of this board are distibuted equally enough for it to not be mere propaganda, but a fine argument. Or entertaining at the very least.

***dutchie*** · Jul 12th, 2004 5:07 AM

As far as I am concerned it is FINE to discuss fundamentals of politics. If this ends in dirtthrowing (and you are already eagerly participating as I see) I will NOT hesitate to pull the plug. And no, it's not even entertaining. This is not an All-American-Exclusive board: It's my board too. I don't get to vote, so I don't feel compelled to say anything on the matter.

A good discussion on fundamentals, OK. Dirtthrowers fly out.

***DontBeAfraid*** · Jul 12th, 2004 5:17 AM

I know its not all-america.... thats why there are soccer threads. LOL

***dutchie*** · Jul 12th, 2004 7:25 AM

...and I don't give a hoot about soccer too...

***lotrfan55345*** · Jul 12th, 2004 11:43 AM

Well you have one of two people to vote for, or else you are throwing your vote away.

OrioN · Jul 12th, 2004 5:49 PM

Thank you Dutchie. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but the bashing from both sides doesn't encourage debate, it hinders it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but debate is the primary purpose for the political forum here.

***substand*** · Jul 13th, 2004 4:32 AM

I'm not voting for Bush or Kerry. I would probably have been voting for libertarians except for thier retardedness after 9/11 and the fact that they basically disowned me after i agreed with the war in iraq...

as for "Well you have one of two people to vote for, or else you are throwing your vote away."... this is simply not true..

say for instance I was going to vote for libertarians and I feel republicans are closer to my ideology (or democrats if you wish)... A vote for libertarians (by all those who would rather have libertarians than anyone else) shows 1 of 2 things:

1) You republicans (or democrats) won by less of a margin than you would have won because all the libertarians voted against you. If you want to get your vote totals back up, you better adopt some of the libertarian platform.

2) You repubs (or dems) lost this election because of the margin of libertarian voters. You REALLY BETTER ADOPT part of our platform to get us to vote for you.

.......

Sure, you won't win the election, but you'll make your intention known. If you vote for someone you don't want, then you are wasting your vote- you are voting for a likely winner, to be sure. however, your vote gives them legitimacy (even if you dont want it to) and no one will ever be able to interpret your vote the way you meant it... they can only interpret it correctly if you really WANTED to vote for who you voted for, and you really SUPPORTED them.

If Kerry gets 90% of the vote, and 80% is "anti-Bush" while 20% is "pro-Kerry," he is still going to have a mandate from congress for his platform.

So vote for whom you want. If you are a Green, don't vote for Kerry because he doesn't represent what you want (see http://www.constitutionallychallenge...ng_houston.jpg) (not really from houston)... if you are conservative, don't vote for bush, because its very obvious thru all the legislation he's signed (much less pushed for) that he's not conservative. If you're pro-maximizing freedom, don't vote for either candidate, because they will not represent what you want (and both thier records are clear on that)...

You only throw your vote away when you vote for someone you don't want.

***substand*** · Jul 13th, 2004 4:53 AM

He Said he agrees that Life begins at conception, and says although he disagrees with it he believes women have the right to (KILL) Choice".

actually, thats a good point... of all the inconsistencies of kerry, this one is most telling to me. I'm a christian and I'm not sure life begins at conception. The best I've heard so far is about 2 wks after conception... but to say "life begins at conception" and "you can have an abortion any time" surely if ridiculous. Its one thing to beleive life begins when a baby can live outside the womb, and you can have an abortion any time before that... its quite another thing to beleive life begins when a sperm penetrates an egg and you can have an abortion anytime after that. If you think life begins at point A, and think you can have an abortion past point A, then obviously you are conceeding that murder is ok.

Cut it out, you all. I will NOT have Armageddon Online serving as a vehicle for electional propaganda for EITHER SIDE!!!

Vote Bush! Vote Kerry! =P Of course all of this board could probably be considered propaganda for one side or the other... why would you take it away? =)

As for the Vietnam thing.... WHO GIVES A RATS ASS ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO? Why do I care if Kerry served honorably and Bush "worked on a campaign" 30 yrs ago? Why do I care if Kerry faked things to get medals 30 yrs ago? Its ridiculous on both sides. Bush was a drunken fool a while back... do I care about it? No.

If you want to debate morals and stuff, thats fine... but don't bring up stuff that old to prove your point. I've changed a lot in the past 3 years. I had "youthful indescretions" 7 years ago that are on record. But I've changed TONS since then. Its just stupid to bring up stuff from vietnam in either candidate's case.

***dutchie*** · Jul 13th, 2004 5:44 AM

Originally Posted by Substand

As for the Vietnam thing.... WHO GIVES A RATS ASS ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO? Why do I care if Kerry served honorably and Bush "worked on a campaign" 30 yrs ago? Why do I care if Kerry faked things to get medals 30 yrs ago? Its ridiculous on both sides. Bush was a drunken fool a while back... do I care about it? No.

If you want to debate morals and stuff, thats fine... but don't bring up stuff that old to prove your point. I've changed a lot in the past 3 years. I had "youthful indescretions" 7 years ago that are on record. But I've changed TONS since then. Its just stupid to bring up stuff from vietnam in either candidate's case.

Bravo! That's exactly my idea. Stuff like that is plain dirt throwing, and I won't have it. Please do not stoop to tabloid stuff to make your point, some of you!!

***substand*** · Jul 13th, 2004 5:53 AM

Originally Posted by dutchie

Bravo! That's exactly my idea. Stuff like that is plain dirt throwing, and I won't have it. Please do not stoop to tabloid stuff to make your point, some of you!!

ok... see the post in the other thread and i see we're on the same page! =) in any case, good night dutchie (just past afternoon for you and early morning for me i suppose)....

***dutchie*** · Jul 13th, 2004 6:26 AM

Substand's making a good point there. Holland is living proof of this, as we have at least 3 parties of almost equal strength, some a bit smaller and a whole lot of little parties. Our government is usually formed by coalitions between 1 large and a few smaller parties. We choose a party that meets our POV most accurately. And the possibility that a small party comes to government within a coalition is a realistic possibility. This renders our system a lot more fair and flexible than the US system, IMO.