Why do people hate Brock Lesnar so much?

[Cartesiantheater]

I don't get it.


Okay, his second fight against Frank Mir, yeah, he was a dick, but the whole build up BOTH were being assholes.


But AFTER that fight, he has been nothing but humble and gracious. Every post-fight interview he said the same things "so and so was a great fighter, but blah blah, I'm thankful blah blah," including his last fight (which he lost). And yet, in the midst of his humility, fans (once again) started to boo him.


Seriously, wtf do these people want?

He took the hint after the Mir fight and has been very gracious every time since then, yet he STILL is getting boo'd.



Yeah, yeah, I get that he's a ridiculously gifted athlete, and many times THAT proved to be enough to beat a fighter with superior technique (but again, not his last fight where technique won the day over athleticism). But can you really blame a guy for THAT? That's like booing Randy Moss because he's faster and taller than most defensive backs who cover him. It's bullshit.

I'd understand booing if he was constantly a dickwad, but he has been anything but for more than a year.


What the hell is wrong with people?

[Reef Badlaw]

I wasn't aware he was hated. He seems authentic, reasonable, and non-arrogant. I predict he'll find a niche in post-career endeavors as long as he avoids the 'schmaultz' syndrome unlike The Rock, Hulk Hogan, or Shaq O'Neal. -Oop, Shaq's career is still hap'nin... 7 boards against the Heat last night.

[Fut004]

I just assumed it's because he was a "Pro-Wrestler" for WWE or whatever craptastic company he used to pretend to fight for.

I think it's a hazing sort of thing, he's got to be a real fighter for awhile, and put up with all the bullshit. If he can stay strong people will see that he's just a great fighter and they'll start to like him.

[GamerGal]

Fut, he is a college wrestling legend. in WWE he performed feats of strength seen by few others.(Yes story line are fake but he's still picking guys like Paul Wight((7' 480lbs)) up and tossing him around like a paper doll) And now after coming back from a serious medical illness is trying too keep his career on track.

[Fut004]

I know who he is, and what he's done. I was following UFC quite a lot when Brock first started, so I researched him a bit. Nothing you've said really changes the fact that nobody but hillbillies and rednecks like Professional Wrestling. Pro Wrestling is fake, they would never be able to the moves they do without the other person helping out and such, it's a Soap Opera that's got a physical element. Regardless of how awesome a wrestler (real wrestling) Brock Lesnar is, he still has the Stink of the WWE on him. I really do think people give him a hard time because of this.

[GamerGal]

So Kurt Angle, Olympic Gold Medalist isn't a real wrestler either because he was in WWE?

I wanna see you do a swan dive off a ladder to the outside of the ring putting a guy through a table and not injure him or yourself. The story lines are fake every one knows that but they do do the shit they do. Or did the WWE invent anti gravity technology? Or was Michael Foley(Mick Foley/Mankind) faking having his ear ripped off by barbed wire over in Germany? And did he fake having Mark Calloway(Undertaker) throw him off a steel cage deallio to a table below? No, he and others have done it night in and night out. Me? I get the sniffles I'm in bed for a week. These guys break a finger/toe crack a rib and go back out and take a chair shot to the back.(Science shows those shots aren't that bad as they swing with the flat of the chair so air resistance slows it down a lot and the force is spread out like laying on a bed of nails)

Amazing how people who couldn't even climb their asses in to a ring act like the men(And women) who jump off the top rope and land belly splash style then get back up and pick some one 50lbs heavier up and tosses them around aren't real athletes. Yet they all claim baseball players are athletes even though the WWE has a steroid policy that punishes those caught while MLB has a "Get caught with needles sticking out of your arms, break the HR record and be a Hall of Famer!"

[Fut004]

GG, you're missing my point. WWE isn't real fighting, UFC is.

I'm not saying that Pro Wrestlers aren't athletic, I'm not saying it doesn't take strong people to do it and whatever else you're thinking I'm saying.

However, there's a huge difference between pretending to fight with somebody, and actually having a large person trying to hit you in the face hard enough to knock you out.

Like I said before, the dude just has to prove that he can actually fight before people start to like him.

I'm not even going to keep going with the WWE-Bashing, because it's not important for the conversation. Besides, you seem to be as passionate about Pro Wrestling as you are about Nascar, so that'll help prove who actually watches it much more than me saying it.

[GamerGal]

I like what I like and I research the details. I do directors commentary, read online stuff from directors/actors, read bios on the athlete/actor/singer. I read how they got the idea for the book/movie/show, I find out the details. So I know the real names of the actors(Michael Andrew Fox, not J.) and athletes(Glenn Jacobs not Kane and Adam Copeland not Edge) and it annoys me when ignorant people talk about shit.
Like people who haven't seen a movie say it is bad. How do they know? They never saw it. You don't watch racing because you think you could drive 200mph+ with 42 other cars six inches off your bumper for 500 miles. You can't, you'd end up wrecked because you were going 90mph and having a panic attack at going that fast on the first lap. Don't talk shit about things you don't know.

And the same for people who boo Brock. They don't know shit so shouldn't comment on it. Look up his Bio, his college career, his training after coming back from a serious medical issue, before booing.

And hey, what does it say about people who watch racing? The only sport that allows women. Basketball? Nope, you gotta play in the WNBA. Baseball? Nope, don't even have a women's league. Football? Same deal. Nope, only in racing do you have Chrissy Wallace, Jennifer CoCobb, and uh, what's her name, the Go Daddy Girl, who ever. Kinda sad they're seen as backwards redneck sport when they're the only ones that allow women.

[Fut004]

That time of the month or something? You seem much more volatile than usual.

And the same for people who boo Brock. They don't know shit so shouldn't comment on it. Look up his Bio, his college career, his training after coming back from a serious medical issue, before booing.

Maybe all the people boo'n Brock Lesnar know all there is to know about him, and simply don't like him. Maybe they hate Pro Wrestling as much as you love it. Maybe they don't want their sport to turn into a Soap Opera (look how Brock acted after winning that one match). Maybe they figure that if they give him a hard time it'll stop other Pro Wrestlers from switching to UFC. There's no way to know for sure, but all of those are perfectly logical reasons to boo an athlete, whether you agree with it or not.

Besides, just because a person is an awesome wrestler (real or fake) it doesn't mean that they'll be able to take actual kicks and punches to the body and head. It's a different beast, this MMA.

Anyhow, I've always been interested in Lesnar's career in the UFC, it's interesting to see somebody make the transition from fake-fights to real-fights, and like I said above:

If he can stay strong people will see that he's just a great fighter and they'll start to like him.

[GamerGal]

And you dodge that Indy/NASCAR is the only sport that allows women. No matter how good a woman is she can't be in the men's football/baseball/golf/basketball league. Nope, only in racing are they considered equal.

[Fut004]

And you dodge that Indy/NASCAR is the only sport that allows women. No matter how good a woman is she can't be in the men's football/baseball/golf/basketball league. Nope, only in racing are they considered equal.

Yeah, because women are generally smaller, slower and weaker than men. It's not sexist, it's just the way evolution has made us. It wouldn't be fair at all, to allow women to compete with Men in contact sports. Simple as that.

[GamerGal]

Golf and baseball and basketball are contact sports? I never knew that. Also, any one can be good at golf/baseball/basketball if they train enough. They had a 30 for 30 ESPN deal covering a basketball player. On a night he scored 50... his sister scored 100 in her game. 3 pointers don't require a 7foot tall lanky player. Only dunking needs that. Layups? Also not needed.

And please tell how a woman golfer can't compete with a male golfer? Is putting really so different if you're a woman?

And baseball, I'm pretty sure if the homeless guy can shoot up a woman can shoot up steroids just as well as any man.

As for football, a woman can kick/punt as well as any man. In fact they just had a news story on a record 43yarder kicked by a WOMAN in High School football being looked at by college teams. But she'd never play in NFL because those advanced not redneck backwards fans don't allow it. Oh wait, who is redneck backwards again? The only sport that allows women or every other sport that treats them as second class citizens.

[Fut004]

Golf and baseball and basketball are contact sports? I never knew that. Also, any one can be good at golf/baseball/basketball if they train enough. They had a 30 for 30 ESPN deal covering a basketball player. On a night he scored 50... his sister scored 100 in her game. 3 pointers don't require a 7foot tall lanky player. Only dunking needs that. Layups? Also not needed.

And please tell how a woman golfer can't compete with a male golfer? Is putting really so different if you're a woman?

And baseball, I'm pretty sure if the homeless guy can shoot up a woman can shoot up steroids just as well as any man.

As for football, a woman can kick/punt as well as any man. In fact they just had a news story on a record 43yarder kicked by a WOMAN in High School football being looked at by college teams. But she'd never play in NFL because those advanced not redneck backwards fans don't allow it. Oh wait, who is redneck backwards again? The only sport that allows women or every other sport that treats them as second class citizens.

I honestly think you're being ridiculous right now. Sure there are some women who can compete with men (speaking althetes vs athletes right now), but in general I think most people would agree that it wouldn't be fair.

This chick you mention can kick a field goal, but what happens when she gets tackled by men the size of small cars? I'm sure the men rushing at her would hesitate or somethingl. It's just not a fair situation,. and if she does get tackled and hurt, people would freak out on the men.

I'm not even sure how you dragged me into this conversation, as it really has nothing to do with anything we were talking about.

[Rabid1]

When it comes to staying in shape, his ethic is beyond amazing. Given his little experience in MMA his progress has been brilliant. 5 and 2 is by no means a fantastic record, except you look at his experince and it is pretty impressive.

Regarding his professional attitude and ethic he is more than lacking, like walking out on the WWE with time still on his contract because of not liking an angle. Then when he goes bust as a football player, he wants out of his no compete clause. He makes a complete ass out of himself after the UFC 100, but tries to pass it off as going into "wrestling entertainment mode" rather than fess up and say "Yeah I was a dick!".

I think a lot of people dislike him for those reasons. He was given the keys to the kingdom twice and almost pissed them away both times. The verbal beating he supposedly took from Dana White was epic by all accounts.

The truth is he is still young and has a ton of growing up to do. He had too much thrown at him too young in my opinion. His ego, while on some points deserved, tends to make decisions rather than his brain. He is a love him or hate him kind of guy but he may make it to a solid like him position.

Oddly from videos of him dealing with fans and getting a chance to bump into him in McCarran in Vegas he seems like a really nice guy. He just needs to find a way to integrate the athlete and the man because as in many cases they are two different people.

[Cartesiantheater]

When it comes to staying in shape, his ethic is beyond amazing. Given his little experience in MMA his progress has been brilliant. 5 and 2 is by no means a fantastic record, except you look at his experince and it is pretty impressive.

Add to the fact that he has been fighting the best in the world since he started.

Regarding his professional attitude and ethic he is more than lacking, like walking out on the WWE with time still on his contract because of not liking an angle. Then when he goes bust as a football player, he wants out of his no compete clause. He makes a complete ass out of himself after the UFC 100, but tries to pass it off as going into "wrestling entertainment mode" rather than fess up and say "Yeah I was a dick!".

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I acted very unprofessionally after the fight,” Lesnar said of his second-round victory. “There was a lot of emotion in this bout, (but) I love this company, and I love to fight. I went into the entertainment business for a little while, and I guess there’s still a little bit of it in me.”

Since then, every time I've seen him he has been humble and thankful. That's my point. That fight, Mir and him were talking shit the whole time, then he wins and the crowd boos, so he gives them the finger, then acts a fool because of a beer contract, etc.

But SINCE then, he has been no worse than anyone else.

I think a lot of people dislike him for those reasons. He was given the keys to the kingdom twice and almost pissed them away both times. The verbal beating he supposedly took from Dana White was epic by all accounts.

The truth is he is still young and has a ton of growing up to do. He had too much thrown at him too young in my opinion. His ego, while on some points deserved, tends to make decisions rather than his brain.

Did you watch his last two fights? He was RIDICULOUSLY gracious, in my opinion. He acted with true sportsmanship, both in a win and a loss.

He is a love him or hate him kind of guy but he may make it to a solid like him position.

Oddly from videos of him dealing with fans and getting a chance to bump into him in McCarran in Vegas he seems like a really nice guy. He just needs to find a way to integrate the athlete and the man because as in many cases they are two different people.

Sure, but he has been working on it. the evidence is clearly there if you've seen him the last year plus.




I guess my point is that he is clearly trying. At some point people ought to cut him some slack.

[Rabid1]

Sure, but he has been working on it. the evidence is clearly there if you've seen him the last year plus.




I guess my point is that he is clearly trying. At some point people ought to cut him some slack.

I didn't mean to imply he has not been trying. His recent loss was handled as well as anybody could. I may still think the chances of some form of relapse is possible but I think he gets it now. But a couple of fights and interviews handled well won't satisfy a lot of people. I think he can keep it up.

Some people call it the amateur curse. These guys works their asses off for pretty much nothing but the gold, minimal attention and cash when compared to what a standout professional athlete gets. Then if they hit big in some professional venue, even professional wrestling, the sudden fame and attention eats them up and they hit a tipping point. Even Kurt Angle had his demons because of it.

I think the biggest thing in Lesnar's favor was his age in that he survived and still has time left to go forward. He appears to be back to the basics and has his head on straight.

[shiftygoose]

I dunno why ppl are hating on Lesnar? I like him, he is a MASSIVE dude. I saw him @ a promotional event, he is almost as wide as is his tall.


by FUT004 - 'he still has the Stink of the WWE on him'