7 Minute Book Reader Compared To 40 Minute Table Sitter

supercharged · Aug 6th, 2004 2:01 AM

I wrote this article today on my site conpush.com

http://conpush.com/2004/08/7-minute-...red-to-40.html

I hope you like it. Criticism is wanted, it helps with my new articles. I take both sides into consideration even though I'm leaning to the right like most of you are leaning towards the left. So here's the article:

Today, John Kerry preached at a Unity conference of minority journalists telling them with reactions from the journalists of standing ovations that he would've attended to the problem at hand differently than what President Bush did during the attacks on 9/11:

"Had I been reading to children and had my top aide whispered in my ear, 'America is under attack,' I would have told those kids very politely and nicely that the president of the United States had something that he needed to attend to -- and I would have attended to it,"

This is what John Kerry said what he did exactly on 9/11 when asked the question by CNN's Larry King on CNN, July 8, 2004:

"I was in the Capitol. We'd just had a meeting -- we'd just come into a leadership meeting in Tom Daschle's office, looking out at the Capitol. And as I came in, Barbara Boxer and Harry Reid were standing there, and we watched the second plane come in to the building. And we shortly thereafter sat down at the table and then we just realized nobody could think, and then boom, right behind us, we saw the cloud of explosion at the Pentagon."

So in John Kerry's case he wasn't reading to children but watching it all unfold on television during a meeting. According to his exact words he sat there doing nothing while he watched a Boeing 757 fly in to the 2nd WTC Tower to the time where he saw the explosion at the Pentagon behind him. During that time-span was a total of 43 minutes according to Engineering News Record:

The north tower, called One WTC, was hit at 8:45 a.m.; the south tower, Two WTC, at 9:03 a.m. Another hijacked airliner, a Boeing 757 with 64 people on board, crashed into a section of the Pentagon at 9:40 a.m.

From personal experience knowing that almost every family on 9/11 was either watching the television or calling close relatives during the attacks was in total and absolute shock. The greatest country on earth had just been attacked with weapons that we used every day to travel around with. With hindsight as our advantage I know every citizen would say they would've done something different on 9/11. Who wouldn't? I mean I would've done something different also. But for John Kerry to say he would've stopped what the President was doing(reading to children) while he was in reality sitting at a table for 40 minutes to say he would've done something different is a travesty to politics.

When you take into account what happened pre/post 9/11 and try to use it to your political advantage is one thing. But when you lie about what you would've done or actually did is when you know when you've crossed that border from politics to lunacy. Congratulations John Kerry, Deanism has officially entered your blood.

***Defiant Noquisi*** · Aug 8th, 2004 11:15 AM

And the point is.........

No one would know what they would do until in the moment and people will say whatever they can get away with to get elected.

No one knows what politicians will REALLY do until in office.

Since we already know what Bush will do, lets try something different.

***substand*** · Aug 10th, 2004 3:06 AM

With hindsight as our advantage I know every citizen would say they would've done something different on 9/11. Who wouldn't?

I wouldn't. Having hindsight, I would have done exactly what Bush did... even if Kerry was as honest as his beach shoes would allow him to be, WTF could he have done to avert attacks or console americans in the first 7 minutes? Its dumbfounding...

Originally Posted by defiant noquisi

Since we already know what Bush will do, lets try something different.

Right, you "Kerrorist." Lets try Kerry- then we can try something different everyday!

**humanhybrid** · Aug 13th, 2004 2:01 PM

Clearly the point is, president Bush IS a PRESIDENT with responsibilities. What should have he been doing? COME ON NOW!!!! Are people so blinded by their political opinions that they cant or wont see what that responsibility is during a catastopry? Sitting down with children while an emergency is taking place is certainly not the actions of a concerned president. SIMPLE enough? Those were the actions of BUSH the liberator. good day

PS; Bush probably responds to Kerrys accusations much quicker than he did 911

***substand*** · Aug 14th, 2004 1:59 AM

Originally Posted by humanhybrid

Clearly the point is, president Bush IS a PRESIDENT with responsibilities. What should have he been doing? COME ON NOW!!!! Are people so blinded by their political opinions that they cant or wont see what that responsibility is during a catastopry? Sitting down with children while an emergency is taking place is certainly not the actions of a concerned president. SIMPLE enough? Those were the actions of BUSH the liberator. good day

We're talking about 7 minutes. What would you have done? What would anyone have done? Deployed troops and declared war on afghanistan in that amount of time? No. What about in 40 mins? No. People still call him off the cuff shoot from the hip cowboy and he waited weeks to do that. So what would you have him do?

Blinded by political opinions? I think not. I've said before I didn't vote for Bush the first time, and not just because I wasn't of age, because I was of age- and I'm not voting for him this time.

But since you are so perfect in your actions, I ask you what YOU would have done, and further, how what YOU would have done would have changed anything. I'm not even asking you to be all-knowing in your assessment- in that you couldnt have know the ramifications of the attacks at the time. I'm giving you that you knew exactly what was happening and what was to happen in the hours following, and asking you to:

1) tell us what your actions would have been
2) how those actions would have made things different today.

Please, entertain me.

**humanhybrid** · Aug 14th, 2004 10:22 PM

Im hardly an entertainer but for the moment Ill try substand. First it isnt hard at all to understand, all it takes is to ask the question yourself " What is the responsability of any president in a state of an emergency" Thats all! If one thinks that reading to children in that moment of crises is acceptable then you have your answer. Good day to you.

***substand*** · Aug 20th, 2004 4:14 AM

Originally Posted by humanhybrid

Im hardly an entertainer but for the moment Ill try substand. First it isnt hard at all to understand, all it takes is to ask the question yourself " What is the responsability of any president in a state of an emergency" Thats all! If one thinks that reading to children in that moment of crises is acceptable then you have your answer. Good day to you.

well you haven't been so much entertaining as you've made me reiterate my original question: WHAT THE HELL WOULD YOU HAVE DONE in those 7 mins, or in "Kerrys case," those 40 mins.

Anything different? If so, what?

Would I have a president who doesn't jump to conclusions and act on them within 7 (or 40) minutes of an action happening, but rather, kept reading to children? Sure I would. What would you have done during that same entire day, knowing what is known? What about that week? What about that month?

You're trying to present the opinion now that Bush is not cowboy enough for you, all the while condemning him for acting too fast. You cannot have it both ways. What would you have done different during that 7 minutes, 40 minutes, week, or month?

I should know by now you have no answer, but i still entertain the possibility.

Your rhetorical question of "What is the responsability of any president in a state of an emergency?" has nothing to do with the question I asked. If we were to vote for pres on no other issue than "how did you react to 9/11 on that day?" i would be voting for Bush. Of course, we are not voting on that question, and I am still not voting for Bush. But i would still love to hear what you would have done....

And while you may be no entertainer, certainly you can do better than that.

***DontBeAfraid*** · Aug 20th, 2004 6:07 AM

I was deployed oversees when that happened and what I did in the seven minutes after I was informed was finish my shower.... forty minutes later I was in the chow hall making a grilled ham and cheese sandwich.... A week later it was life as normal.... Just like almost every other us citizen/

**humanhybrid** · Aug 21st, 2004 3:24 AM

Your rhetorical question of "What is the responsability of any president in a state of an emergency?" has nothing to do with the question I asked.

Well Well! If I was president I would have responsabilities wouldnt I ?? Which would be first, reading to children in a state of an emergency or seeing that the national gaurd or other proper emergency protocals that presidents initiate when the people he is to protect are being attacked. Stop being a BONE head and see just what Bush is and is doing!!! good day! PS; And while you may be no better of an entertainer, certainly you should do better than that. There is the obvious and then there is the not so obvious. Its obvious substand what Bush did, and its not so obvious that you defend him like a brother crusader.

***substand*** · Aug 23rd, 2004 11:57 PM

Well Well! If I was president I would have responsabilities wouldnt I ?? Which would be first, reading to children in a state of an emergency or seeing that the national gaurd or other proper emergency protocals that presidents initiate when the people he is to protect are being attacked. Stop being a BONE head and see just what Bush is and is doing!!! good day! PS; And while you may be no better of an entertainer, certainly you should do better than that. There is the obvious and then there is the not so obvious. Its obvious substand what Bush did, and its not so obvious that you defend him like a brother crusader.

I dont think it was quite the rhetorical question you make it out to be. And your question/response of "Which would be first, reading to children in a state of an emergency or seeing that the national gaurd or other proper emergency protocals that presidents initiate when the people he is to protect are being attacked" still does not address the question.

What should he have done/what would you have done in the same situation? If he had mobilized troops during that 7 minutes (and I'll still give you the 40 if you want it), would ppl be calling him more of a cowboy for it? Of course they would. And further, even IF you wouldn't have, and you would have praised him for it, please let me know WHAT his immediate mobilization would have accomplished?

I expect you to remain silent on the questions YET AGAIN, but if you actually respond to them this time, I say "thanks."

(edit below)
and the brother crusader comment- simply because I question your basis and aks for an example of what you would have done, for your opinion of what Bush should have done in those few minutes, does not mean I am a brother crusader.

I may agree with a lot of Bush's FP moves, but I would hardly call my questioning you a basis for me being a brother crusader. Perhaps if you answered my questions you could help sway my opinion. I say it all the time, I didn't vote for bush in 2000 and I'm not voting for him in 2004... now i've said it again....
(end edit)

***Defiant Noquisi*** · Aug 24th, 2004 3:47 AM

Originally Posted by substand

Right, you "Kerrorist." Lets try Kerry- then we can try something different everyday!

LOL! At least it wouldnt be boring and Id certainly be entertained watching you keep up with it you constitutionazi!

**humanhybrid** · Aug 31st, 2004 11:05 AM

I may agree with a lot of Bush's FP moves, but I would hardly call my questioning you a basis for me being a brother crusader

If I may ask, are you born again? Have you accepted Jesus? And why cant you vote?

***Defiant Noquisi*** · Aug 31st, 2004 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by humanhybrid

If I may ask, are you born again? Have you accepted Jesus? And why cant you vote?

What does this or you calling him a bonehead (screams of intelligence I suppose) have anything to do with the question he asked you? He posted that he didnt vote, not that he cant.

**Donsun** · Aug 31st, 2004 2:13 PM

I said good day!

***substand*** · Sep 1st, 2004 9:35 PM

If I may ask, are you born again? Have you accepted Jesus? And why cant you vote?

Not that it is of any relevance, but yes. And I can vote. And as DN mentioned, I said I didn't vote for Bush, and I'm not going to this time either. I was able to vote in 2000, and I did vote. I am able to vote now and I'm going to vote. I'm just not going to do so for Bush.

Now would you so kindly enlighten us on what the proper response would have been in the 7 or 40 minutes after the planes crashed, and how that response would have changed anything?

***DontBeAfraid*** · Sep 2nd, 2004 5:06 AM

OT, I could tell you were born again with your responses to the school questions.... Which is why I quit posting in there, I know your stance on it and I know how you will answer/avoid the relevent questions.... You already did it to a couple.

**humanhybrid** · Sep 2nd, 2004 11:00 AM

Now would you so kindly enlighten us on what the proper response would have been in the 7 or 40 minutes after the planes crashed, and how that response would have changed anything?

Well it would depend Substand on my agenda. It seems as though passing time away till the 911 unfolded was the agenda of of Bushatola. My response? would be the very oppisite of Bushatola. Would I freak out? No, calmly I would initiate an emergency with the proper depts, namely Fema and the proper protocals for the state. I guess you would sit on your a** with an excuse as Bushatola did.