Another survival scenerio

[Anarch]

On the outskirts of Seguin texas in the rural area that is populated...in a mobile home community. In a tin can of a trailer house. Two weeks into A situation where the trucks stopped running. The national guard has "stepped in to restore order"

You have one shotgun , limited ammo like 2 boxes worth, and you know your neighbors who have more guns and ammo then you but remain trust worthy. Lots of canned food in stock that is only known to you and yours.

In tow is a wife and child to protect.

How would you respond?

Would you bug out? Would you comply with government order? Would you stay put and defend your turf if encroached?

How to handle this scenario?

[pico]

Ah Ha! Guadalupe County, TX... close to New Braunfels, Lake McKinney, and unfortunately close to the Golden Horde of San Antonio.

I would hope you are located at least a good days walk from I-10, or else you will get a hell of a lot of foot traffic... hungry foot traffic at that, being not far enough outside of San Antonio do let the masses die off... hopefully you are in the middle of a hell of a hot Texas Summer, to let many pass on due to heat stroke before you get massive inflows of thirsty types wanting to drink every drop of water. If it were me, and I lived there at this point in time, I would think about buying further out. Canyon Lake is further off the beaten path, and property was still inexpensive enough down there the last time I was thru there to warrant a plot of land and perhaps a trailer at the minimum. The terrain is better suited to defensive positions as well, and the clean lake would be ideal for water, if you are in a position to collect it without a long haul.

[Anarch]

Exellent reply PICO.

Granted I am no novice but I do wonder how others would handle the scenario given.

NO nukes in this scenario.Just civil unrest. In case of nukes I think I am far enough from Randolph Aux airbase...but I would get the fuck outta dodge until I could confirm safe radiation levels...

But here in this situation... raising fuel prices... trucks stop running...civil unrest... Martial law instituted and National guard called to restore order...With block by block house checks and registrations.


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On a side note this has been a freaky year for me. 50 degrees in april.. MUTHERFUCKING APRIL! AHHHHHHHH

It has been a chilly year but things are Finnally starting to heat up... I'll take heat over cold any day.

[pico]

I am familiar with your area, as my bro in law lives to your north near Schlitterbahn in New Braunfels. The one thing good about the area is the clean fresh water via springs, but not sure how long that would last when people are taking shits outside and tainting it.

[GP100]

In tow is a wife and child to protect.

The bigger question to me -- because I also have these two to protect -- is: if you have to bug out, how the hell do you do it? To me, that's the scenario to worry about.

I stay put until I have to go. Let's say you see the writing on the walls as you see your neighbors start to get itchy. What's the plan for heading out? Especially with a young, young, child.

[pico]

GP100, that was a big concern of mine and still is to a degree. My youngest is barely 3, and my eldest is nearly 10. If we have to bail the area, it would only be with a vehicle. You would need to have enough fuel to get where you are going without needing to get more from a filling station. I would think that limits most everyone to perhaps a 1,000 mile radius, as you can bring along full cans... the problem there is having so much fuel in your vehicle, and the space it will take up where gear should be. The problem is you must have a place you can go, and simply not decide to be a nomad. If you don't have an alternate locale to head to, then I think the best thing you can do is hunker down.

I am in the process of relocating much of my gear to N. Dakota. I think my area is going to have problems should a major breakdown occur, but Iowa is likely to be better off than most states. I think I will keep mostly compact firearms and body armor, as well as water and food at my home here in Iowa, and move most everything else north. This will allow me to keep enough fuel to hopefully get me there and then some. It is a 10 hour drive north to my place, but the distances are fairly wide open, and I can bypass the twin cities by heading west and then north thru the dakotas. I also can't stress enough to have road maps of any area you might be traveling thru, as stopping to ask might not be safe and GPS systems might be gone.

[Anarch]

The bigger question to me -- because I also have these two to protect -- is: if you have to bug out, how the hell do you do it? To me, that's the scenario to worry about.

I stay put until I have to go. Let's say you see the writing on the walls as you see your neighbors start to get itchy. What's the plan for heading out? Especially with a young, young, child.

Hehehe... I bet your wife is like mine..slow to move, always forgetting just one more thing. If something does happen...like say a fire(actually this has already happened a small one.) I would pull everyone by their short hairs and we would move it... happily or otherwise. I can stand being mad at, but I couldn't stand losing them.

[GP100]

My current situation in a wealthy suburb town 35 miles from Chicago is a second floor condo by a river. I am not able to crazy stockpile food, but I've got enough for two months survival if necessary.

With a one-year-old baby and, yes Anarch, a wife that fits your description, I admit I'm worried.

I think that the ideal is that a SHTF situation is not an abrupt one -- it'll be one that the wiser of us see coming a month in advance. Time to plan, etc. By then hopefully we'd be out BEFORE.

I can't see hauling around a 1 year old in the wilderness in any really safe way. I would be horribly worried about driving, running out of fuel, breaking down, etc...and then having to get out with your wife and son and have to exist whereever you "landed."



I think the best scenario is to bug-in WITH HELP. If you can bug in with neighbors and family you trust, you can hopefully make it.

[pico]

GP100, what kinds of firearms are you able to legally acquire in your area? Having food is great, but you need to be able to defend that child and especially your wife. I am also very close to a river, and that is a possible option if I need to bail out, but I can't go upriver, as there are damns and a current. South leads me closer to the urban area, and eventually to the Mississippi, which can't be a good route.

If you are able to legally purchase an 'assault' weapon, you should look at the AK 47 underfolders like a Yugo M70 or even better would be a side folder. Then buy a pair of drum magazines, and a few thousand rounds of ammo. Better options exist, but then the price gets higher. AK 47 simplicity works.

[GP100]

GP100, what kinds of firearms are you able to legally acquire in your area? Having food is great, but you need to be able to defend that child and especially your wife. I am also very close to a river, and that is a possible option if I need to bail out, but I can't go upriver, as there are damns and a current. South leads me closer to the urban area, and eventually to the Mississippi, which can't be a good route.

If you are able to legally purchase an 'assault' weapon, you should look at the AK 47 underfolders like a Yugo M70 or even better would be a side folder. Then buy a pair of drum magazines, and a few thousand rounds of ammo. Better options exist, but then the price gets higher. AK 47 simplicity works.

I've got my new GP100 trusty 4" revolver. It took a miracle to get my wife to go along with that. When I move out of my condo, and into a house finally, I plan on getting a gun safe with a hunting rifle and perhaps an AR15 of some sort. But, so long as I'm in my condo, I'm on thin ice with the Mrs. already with my revolver. The way I figure it, at least I'm armed.

[Protostar]

Well you boys better have another
secure location available.
The cities get ravaged first.
IN your scenerio, a rural location
is your only hope. Stay down and stay
Quiet. Make it deep in the forest.
grab your bag and go.

[pico]

GP100, I hope you have some of those speed loaders for your revolver. I would not want to be loading 6 rounds under fire one at a time. 4" revolvers are a good compromise between size and capability. I just hope it is at least a .357 magnum and not a .38 special.

[GP100]

GP100, I hope you have some of those speed loaders for your revolver. I would not want to be loading 6 rounds under fire one at a time. 4" revolvers are a good compromise between size and capability. I just hope it is at least a .357 magnum and not a .38 special.

I'll be getting some speed loaders, yes.

GP100 is chambered for .357 and .38 special and +P. I like that because of ammo versatility. All types of rounds.

[pico]

When I had a .357 revolver, I kept if loaded for home defense with the .38 Special +P loads, as a .357 will simply blind you at night. Perhaps what you need as a second firearm is a matching caliber lever action carbine. They are very handy, and the longer barrel makes the .357 really do what many think it can do in a handgun. You could easily take deer or similar sized game at 100 yard distances, and since your state is a pain in the ass in certain counties, you would not have the issues that come with full capacity magazines and assault weapons.

I have this setup with the .44 magnum, having a 6" handgun and a Rossi 92 chambered for the same. It is an awsome setup, as it has a short 16" barrel and it makes shooting the .44 magnum a pure joy. Also, it can easily handle .44 special and Russian, so cowboy rounds are there. I can hit much easier with it compared to the big handgun, and the recoil is controllable, and would be even better from a .357 lever gun.

[GP100]

Yes when I do get a rifle I'll make sure it handles the same ammo. That's definitely important to keep in mind. For self defense home rounds, yes, I have the +P hydra shok federal premium rounds. Won't over penetrate, in theory.

[pico]

Do not forget the wad cutter rounds for self defense, as you have a big wad of lead smacking the target.

[oldsoldier]

Can't totally stay with this scenerio as I wouldn't live in texas Me and the climate don't get along. Beautiful state though. So I'll use my area. In all likelyhood i would have done a bug out before or as soon as I could after. We have 70 acres located a little over an hour from here, that we are planning to move to as soon as my wife retires in about 3 years. If here though we have about 3 acres some of it wooded and a large amount of it fenced. I would have as in the apartment scenerio multiple peremiter "security devices" Plus we have a bedford stone home that will offer some pretty good protection.

[Anarch]

Round here we do maintain total road control and I am 2 minutes walk from a river.

I like my location... My biggest concern of all things would be fallout...fallout and big bombs. like 300 kt plus bombs...

Barring that I really like my location... Now If only I could afford to upgrade to a double wide and dig out that cellar like I'd like...

In my scenerio ...we could hit the river for a short time to avoid government accounting patrols ....we can hit the woods... We can block our streets if need be..

Yeah.. it ain't a bad spot... not the worst not the best but good enough to offer good survival chances for most situations IMHO.