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May 25th, 2011 11:50 AM #1
Do Christians value their moral sense?
Do Christians value their moral sense?
Was Eden, the fall or the elevation of mankind?
A moral sense is what is developed by our study of morals and ethics.
In Eden, this study came in the form of a tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Adam and Eve, as neophytes to life, were not aware of what was good or evil because they had yet to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and had yet to develop morals, until after absorbing the information set out by God for their consumption.
This assumes of course that God wanted man with autonomy and a moral sense.
This gain is clearly spoken of by God when he stated that A & E had become as Godís, knowing good and evil. The fact that he threw a sissy fit when we did elevate ourselves is why Christians call Eden the fall of man.
I find it strange that Christians see our gaining of a moral sense as a fall. Christians do not seem to give a high value to their moral sense and think that we were in Eden strictly to obey and not learn that we are autonomous beings.
Yet strangely, most Christians say that they would do exactly as Eve did and that they would not stop her. They value it yet call it a fall.
The Jews and Hebrew interpreted their scriptures as Eden being our elevation. Not our fall. They were quite surprised when Christianity began to read scriptures literally, even the Jewish ones, that the Jews never took literally.
Did Christianity get the story wrong?
Was Eden our elevation and not our fall?
Do you value your moral sense or would you stop Eve if you could?
May 25th, 2011 12:15 PM #2
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God changed the seed of the messiah's parents so Jesus was conceived without this genetic corruption that deceives the created thoughts of man. Jesus was born knowing who his Father was, which came as thoughts within his heart, mind and soul. Every word he spoke was the truth because it came from the knowledge that was available to him. Adam and Eve knew these thoughts in the beginning until their sin nature caused them to reject his knowledge. It wasn't long before God couldn't be understood by them because their thoughts were deceived. Even if God warned them to not sin, the power of their corrupt DNA forced them to disobey him.
This is exactly what God planned for his people because the flesh has no choices to make. The flesh is like a corrupt puppet whose strings get tangled up and can't tell who's pulling them. Only the prophets, messiah and us saints can tell when God gives a yank on our strings and eventually staightens them out but only us saints and Jesus were made sinless so we could pull our own strings. We learned we are the Word of God and whatever we do is what God planned for us.
May 25th, 2011 3:07 PM #3
May 25th, 2011 4:37 PM #4
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First of all, God planned everything before creation and his first creation was light energy. This energy was needed to create everything else according to his plans and it's also the energy used to put his plans into action.
God's creations couldn't be seen until they had physical bodies to use so the light energy formed the atoms that were necessary for each one. First, the worlds of the universe were formed from a core of light energy that formed all the atoms to make the stars, planets, moons, asteroids, etc.
The earth was one of these created and formed planets where he eventually formed the living creations. This means that man was created in the light of God long before he was given a body to use on earth.
Here is the scripture in Genesis to show you that man was created both male and female.
26: Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
Adam is just the name of the flesh that God's created man used. God's symbolic breath of life that he blew into the nostrils of the flesh of Adam was the created thoughts for Adam's heavenly existence. We're always in God, which is heaven, but we need a physical body to experience our life in God.
Here's the scripture showing God forming the flesh for Adam out of the elements of the earth, which the english translator calls dust.
7: then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
8: And the LORD God planted a garden in Eden, in the east; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
The last verse of this scripture doesn't mean a literal garden of Eden. This is the heart, mind and soul of man, which is the created thoughts of God. The tree of life is the power of God, called the Word. This Word delivers the thoughts to the brain of the flesh to make it function according to God's plans.
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is the sin nature that God put in the DNA of the flesh of Adam. God planned to delude the whole world with this corrupt DNA starting with his first people in their flesh.
Adam was sent out to name the flesh of the living creations on earth to establish a vocabulary and language before God formed the female flesh for the female part of created man. Without a language, he wouldn't be able to communicate with his female partner so that's why they weren't made at the same time. God knew that they would disobey his commandments once they saw each other. Their lust drove them to have sex and this is what started the process of birthing God's new people into the world, everyone of them with corrupt DNA to make them sinners.
No one had a choice to make to be a prophet, messiah or saint. Each of us had our life planned by God and we're living his plans. Adam and Eve didn't make any choices to sin because everything they did and spoke was a lie. Their sin nature and everyone else's who came after them deceived their created thoughts in God so they can't understand the truth.
So the garden of Eden story has nothing to do with free will. It's about God's plans for us. The symbolic story of Lucifer being cast to the earth is the flesh of man that was formed with corrupt DNA. All the angels that were cast with him were the rest of the flesh born into this world. Satan, devil, serpent, dead, wicked, thief, murderer, etc. are all symbolic names to describe the flesh and this flesh is what deceived Eve in the garden. This only meant that Eve followed the desires of her flesh and her and Adam had sex.
Sex is driven by the sin of lust so every Christian couple who have sex is a sinner. In the next age, there won't be any corrupt DNA in the flesh so a man who is formed with the flesh of both male and female won't have any desire for sex. God planned for them to have a mating season like animals do in this age. This way, they aren't sinning with lust.
We won't have money in the next age of paradise because we won't have greed or envy. It was the sinful nature of the flesh that developed money according to the plans of God for a deception, but not the truth. The truth is that we won't have money, lust, jealousy, hate, anger, killing, gluttony, laziness, good or evil, etc. We will live according to the truth of God at all times.
Christians don't have the truth so they can't understand these spiritual things of God. They dwell on the flesh and the lies that come from it.
Remember this, God is in total control of everything according to his plans. His existence is light energy, thoughts and plans, not some man in the moon giving us directions as we pray to him. He did his work a long time before the physical universe came into existence. Christians pray in vain because they don't know who the true God is, let alone who they are in God.
You're a sinner who can't listen to me without being distracted by your flesh. If you hear something that doesn't agree with your lies, then you stop listening. This is like the seed on the rock story by Jesus. The seed is the Word I preach and your the rock who can't accept it and grow in the Lord. This is NOT your fault because you're planned to be a sinner. You can get angry at God but it won't do you a bit of good. He's the one who made you that way and he's not going to change you unless you're his chosen one.
May 26th, 2011 11:36 AM #5
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