Man and nature pics

[Waymarker]

I could have sworn I'd already posted these pics here earlier this year but I can't find them so i'll post them again; they have an almost spiritual quality about them, man working in beautiful harmony with nature to produce food to stay alive..:)
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[lycanox]

Thats not nature. That is just a bunch of plants being forced to grow in certain patterns until being harvested. While all unwanted natural behavior, plants and animals is fought with poison or deathly traps.

Claiming an garden is Nature is like claiming Nazi Germany is a normal healthy community.

[Cherisa]

Thats not nature. That is just a bunch of plants being forced to grow in certain patterns until being harvested. While all unwanted natural behavior, plants and animals is fought with poison or deathly traps.

Claiming an garden is Nature is like claiming Nazi Germany is a normal healthy community.

WTF MAN? Are you just a dick ALL THe time or what?


I like them way~

[Nu Kua]

Lycanox, tell us about how you have coaxed life and food or beauty, from a tiny plant or seedling. I'd like to hear what you have done in terms of sticking your hands deep into the soil, amending tired soil with compost and love, creating a sacred bed which is impregnated with seed and from which life is born- which then goes on to nourish bodies or souls. How do you water your garden? Do you haphazardly spray a few shots from the hose to wet the leaves, make them nice and shiny, while the soil thirsts to death? Or so you water your your roots that are hidden, roots like feet buried deep in the earth, seeking for water and nourishment?

I think the organic and naturally raised garden is beautiful. Even the compost bins are a beauty- do you know how much life teems within a compost bed? No it is not wild and untamed- it is a different kind of beauty. It is conscientiously applied nature. It looks like art to me, art in life, art in living, and an honor to what is real.

And you know nothing at all about gardening in tune with the land. I don't use poisons or pesticides like you speak of, for the most part I rely on natural, biological controls and plant what tends to do well here. (The greenhouse helps me expand that a bit)
The Bordeaux mixture the guy is spraying on his potatoes is usually a blend of diamotaceous earth with lime. (I think lime, something like that.)
So just hush, until you've learned to know a garden. ;-)

Gardens in Art.... yeah....

If you want to see wild and untamed, look in my greenhouse, there is a corner of it that has completely been carried away by purple clover and, thanks to a little blond boy, millet. I need to get some winter cabbage going in there.

[lycanox]

Lycanox, tell us about how you have coaxed life and food or beauty, from a tiny plant or seedling. I'd like to hear what you have done in terms of sticking your hands deep into the soil, amending tired soil with compost and love, creating a sacred bed which is impregnated with seed and from which life is born- which then goes on to nourish bodies or souls. How do you water your garden? Do you haphazardly spray a few shots from the hose to wet the leaves, make them nice and shiny, while the soil thirsts to death? Or so you water your your roots that are hidden, roots like feet buried deep in the earth, seeking for water and nourishment?

I think the organic and naturally raised garden is beautiful. Even the compost bins are a beauty- do you know how much life teems within a compost bed? No it is not wild and untamed- it is a different kind of beauty. It is conscientiously applied nature. It looks like art to me, art in life, art in living, and an honor to what is real.

And you know nothing at all about gardening in tune with the land. I don't use poisons or pesticides like you speak of, for the most part I rely on natural, biological controls and plant what tends to do well here. (The greenhouse helps me expand that a bit)

The Bordeaux mixture the guy is spraying on his potatoes is usually a blend of diamotaceous earth with lime. (I think lime, something like that.)
So just hush, until you've learned to know a garden. ;-)

Gardens in Art.... yeah....

If you want to see wild and untamed, look in my greenhouse, there is a corner of it that has completely been carried away by purple clover and, thanks to a little blond boy, millet. I need to get some winter cabbage going in there.

That all sounds pretty much man made.

But would you accept your losses if a bunch of beetles decides your beloved plants need to be thinned out. Or when various wild plants decides that your flowerbed is the perfect location for a huge ugly bush of venomous plants? Or a bunch of wildcats make their den in it and don't allow you in anymore.

What you are describing is nothing more than the Mcdonalds nature that is currently plaguing the world. Hundreds of trees of the same race that are planted to feign a bit of nature. Which is only intended to be a human recreation area. Not an area for bears wild hogs or other animals to call their home.

[Nu Kua]

So tell us about your personal home garden experiences, Lycanox.

[Kiehlroy]

The Bordeaux mixture the guy is spraying on his potatoes is usually a blend of diamotaceous earth with lime. (I think lime, something like that.)

It's copper(II) sulfate and hydrated lime to be precise and is often used as a fungicide in vineyards.

"Bordeaux mixture achieves its effect by means of the copper ions (Cu2+) of the mixture. These ions affect enzymes in the fungal spores in such a way as to prevent germination."

It also tastes pretty bitter so it is useful in discouraging random passersby from eating the farmers grapes.

[Nu Kua]

Thank you! I remember now, the copper. I was to mix the bordeaux mixture with the dia. earth for a two-pronged approach regarding pests on our apple trees, and cedar rust. The copper was for the cedar rust and the earth for the soft bodied pests.

[Cherisa]

That all sounds pretty much man made.

But would you accept your losses if a bunch of beetles decides your beloved plants need to be thinned out. Or when various wild plants decides that your flowerbed is the perfect location for a huge ugly bush of venomous plants? Or a bunch of wildcats make their den in it and don't allow you in anymore.

What you are describing is nothing more than the Mcdonalds nature that is currently plaguing the world. Hundreds of trees of the same race that are planted to feign a bit of nature. Which is only intended to be a human recreation area. Not an area for bears wild hogs or other animals to call their home.

And what do you eat?

[New Wine]

Pay no attention to Lyca...he's just into rewilding.

[Traveler]

Indeed he is but in his philosophy he wants to cull the humans to do it.

[Cherisa]

Pay no attention to Lyca...he's just into rewilding.

Honestly this is the most assinine veiwpoint EVER! I'm beginning to wonder if he has a brain. Insane

[Nu Kua]

I thought of Lycanox today when I was pulling some wild morning glories out from a bush. I think he's just thinking of nature as something untouched and unaltered by human hands.

[lycanox]

I thought of Lycanox today when I was pulling some wild morning glories out from a bush. I think he's just thinking of nature as something untouched and unaltered by human hands.

Exactly.

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[Vuall]

I think nature wild and unadulterated, and nature tamed by the hand of man are both examples of nature.

Remove nature from the garden and you end up with a dust bowl, or on a rainy day a mud bath.

[Cherisa]

Exactly.

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but what do you eat? Food that has been gardened or do you go out and get your own food? even if you do it's then tainted by human hands..your argument is silly..
besides, this is in GARDENINGNOT MAN VS NATURE...

[lycanox]

I never claimed that aside for the occasional berry picked in the Forrest, the food I eat is natural.

And the topic was that those gardens are an example of nature living in harmony with mankind.
Which is not the case. As those gardens only accomplish mankinds goals. Not natures. And are still controlled by humans.

[Nu Kua]

Well may be Waymarkers title could have been better phrased, I think what he wanted to show was a general backyard gardening pic because in another thread he'd posted it and I mentioned how pretty it was. Gardening can be an art and yes perhaps it is man manipulated nature, but that is how people learned to eat better and more reliably. Home gardening and the maintaining of crops for food and other sustenance really changed the face of the world, as cultures went from hunter-gatherer to agriculture. While true humans manipulation of nature has too often proven to be disastrous, that is never or rarely the case with people who go into it with a loving intent and intelligent foresight and dare I say, empathy for the life you are interrupting as well as creating. When people alter nature for greedy and selfish purposes, especially when combined with lack of foresight, that is usually where you see the most damage and heartlessness.

The difference between backyard gardening or small farming, and giant farming factories, is that the smaller gardening is ore hands on and your energies and mindset forges with that of the earth, water, the air and light around you, and in the plants you grow- you become a direct part of the process- the beautiful and the ugly.

I always think of it, when digging up a new plot. There is tons of life and living already going on for generations upon generations that I am about to annihilate and alter. Besides working really hard to replace with organic material and proper intent, I try to do things like, meditate on that spot sometimes for a few days prior, and I'll dig a little here and there as sort of a "warning". And I don't like to use power tools to dig the earth though I admit to being very grateful the garden for the greenhouse was rototilled, but overall it just seems rude.

But for all my thoughts and feelings on the matter, the end result for the life carrying on there is the same- a lot of it will be destroyed. Yes it will build back up again and even in a healthy, positive, fruitful way, but it will never be the same.

That is a big responsibility. I dunno, to many they are just worms and spiders, bugs perhaps, just soil and water and plant-life, with no feelings or sense of being. To me though, they do have a consciousness and a sense of being. Well we learned that it has been proven, plants obviously do have consciousness. I am sure then that bugs do, too, of some sort. And I can feel the difference in "vibe" from soil to water to air, and the energy of the sunlight, it has its own feel, too. So I know these things are "alive".

And, yes, now that a garden is up, the slugs in the yard can no longer roam as freely as they used to, because I will feed them iron phosphate that will kill them, in order they do not eat the food I have planted. The larvae laid by the cabbage butterfly moth will have a very short and unproductive life because as soon as they are born, they will be infested with the parasite of a wasp and the parasites will eat the larvae from the inside out, killing then. Brutal.

Morning glories and wild blackberries no longer have free reign of my fences and bushes, though not for lack of trying. I war with those on an almost daily basis, and they will never give up. I grudgingly admire their tenacity, and have a physical working knowledge of why morning glory vines are used to tie "poppets" that are created to permanently bind a harmful entity. (in sympathetic energy work)

So yes, in life there is death, and in death, there is life, and it all loops around. Keep it in balance and it will go on forever.

[Kiehlroy]

You got me wanting to plant something now Nu. The house is full of tropicals and other things my gf is into but I want something more synergistic. I feed it it feeds me, etc.

We have 50 square feet of unused flowerbeds out back, what can I plant now?

[Nu Kua]

Oh empty garden beds! Potential, how exciting!
I am not sure of your climate, but generally this late in the year I'd try to find starts of cabbages and plant them, because a well-set in cabbage will last through fall at least and if you garden undercover, you might even be able to take them through the winter.

Lettuces tend to do well and grow quickly from seeds, I'd find one with the shortest rate to maturity and plant those; spinach too. You might be able to get a harvest of sweet peas, too.

Now is a great time to start a garlic bed which will be ready to harvest next August. Well actually you might want to wait until September- just have a well amended bed and buy some big and healthy cloves from the store, stick them in the ground pointy-end up about three times as deep as the clove is long.

Basically anything you plant now should be quick to germinate and quick to harvest, because the decreasing light levels will be a bit more of a challenge. Understand too that where I am, we have to rush most things along in the summer because our summers are cool and shortened by late summer fog. You may have longer summers than me, so a little more sunlight and heat, but still the sunlight is getting weaker so it's good now to plant quickly growing things.

And actually I've been remiss, I need to start some lettuce asap. For me, I have the best luck starting my lettuce in seedling cups and then transplanting them when they get their first two true leaves. (not the little seed leaves but the ones after that) Plant them to cover the seed leaves so the plant will be sturdy.

There are some great books on the market and at the library on winter gardening, gardening under cover, ect.

Have fun! :-)