Why do you follow a genocidal God?

[Greatest I am]

Why do you follow a genocidal God?

Bible God, the un-knowable one, has been described in scriptures by someone claiming to know much of the un-knowable God. How the un-knowable can be know has yet to shown. On reading scriptures, some have concluded that Bible God is quite immoral.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK1Db...6727A34E740D99

I tend to agree based on moral reasons and would like to keep the discussion on morality without going into whether God is real or not. Something that we cannot prove. We can prove though whether we think Bible God acted morally or not.

The first followers of Bible God, the Jews, also seem to agree with Dawkins and myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irFN2gdI

Genocide, or attempted genocide is considered by most to be a low moral position.

Followers of a Hitler or Stalin, who would try to justify their genocidal actions, would not be well received by most of us.

Why then do you think that we should join you in following a God who takes the moral low ground of genocide instead of doing the right moral thing and curing instead of killing those he thinks defective?

As a religionist myself, I can understand seeking God but why would we want to seek, or follow a genocidal one?

What attracts you to a genocidal God?
Is it just that might makes right?

We are to emulate God.
Does that mean that you too would use genocide as a form of what most believers think of as good justice?

Regards
DL

[dedanoe]

humans came to be because Adam and Eva gave their lives for them to be. now to verify their cause that brought them into being, humanity must also die by giving birth to Adam and Eva. that is why WWII was fought "EDEN WORLD 4 1 Adam 'n' Oeva 1 only".

[Waymarker]

Jesus said - "For I have not spoken on my own authority; but the Father who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak" (John 12:49)

Then went on to say- "..love one another, feed the hungry, house the homeless, clothe the destitute, tend the sick, visit the prisoners, look after the poor"

So I can't see how anybody has a beef with that..:)

[lycanox]

Then went on to say- "..love one another, feed the hungry, house the homeless, clothe the destitute, tend the sick, visit the prisoners, look after the poor"

And then went on to beat the crap out of innocent people at the temple in Jerusalem.

[Greatest I am]

As I stated, we cannot prove God and I prefer to speak to the morality that scripture shows.
I see that the believers shy away from such.

Regards
DL

[Waymarker]

As I stated, we cannot prove God and I prefer to speak to the morality that scripture shows.
I see that the believers shy away from such..

What you talking about mate? Ask a simple straight question and uncle Waymarker will give you a simple straight answer..:)
No need for you to post longwinded vids to speak for you (which I don't have time to watch anyway), just talk straight out in your own words..:)

And then went on to beat the crap out of innocent people at the temple in Jerusalem.

Nah, he just kicked over their stalls and shooed their animals out. I mean suppose you visited your dads house and found squatters had set up a funfair in it, you'd do the same thing..:)

[MHz]

At God's morality trial if He produces all the ones that He has killed and they testify that they are alive then what charges will remain? Not doing things according to our 'liking' is not a crime.

[dedanoe]

And then went on to beat the crap out of innocent people at the temple in Jerusalem.

and who's innocent among the people? they say what am working for if not for profit up to the sealing and where does that profit come from "when everyone thefts everyone what A wonderful world we do have" the last to get all screwed up is nature "properly functional perpetuum mobile is against nature".

[lycanox]

Nah, he just kicked over their stalls and shooed their animals out. I mean suppose you visited your dads house and found squatters had set up a funfair in it, you'd do the same thing..:)

By doing so, he forsakes peacefuller protesting. Conservation and other peaceful ways of accomplishing that goal. To just immediately jump to violence and force them out. Even do the people over there were doing nothing wrong. Just trying to make their living to feed their families.

And the cold not chocked reasoning of the bible about how that was supposed to be a good thing. Makes you wonder what other acts of violence did not make it in the bible. As clearly the people that followed him back then were used to seeing Jesus attack some people.

And to claim that it was the house of its father is absurd. As it is a purely personal idea backed up by no evidence whatsoever. Especially not to the people actually in the temple.

At God's morality trial if He produces all the ones that He has killed and they testify that they are alive then what charges will remain? Not doing things according to our 'liking' is not a crime.

Pointless argument. As it only means he is going to attack them again.

A bit like the Nazis presenting all the Jews they supposedly killed. Accuse the world of demonizing them with their stupid holocaust conspiracy. And than throw a nuke on the Jews.

[MHz]

You probably won't be impressed with him killing 2/3 of the worlds population on the day He returns then, even if those same ones are 'fixed' later in the program.

[lycanox]

Why would that even matter of those fixed end up in hell?
God would still have done wrong on them.

And if they are truly fixed and allowed in heaven anyway. Than why care about religion.

[Greatest I am]

You probably won't be impressed with him killing 2/3 of the worlds population on the day He returns then, even if those same ones are 'fixed' later in the program.

Why kill first and cure later?
The moral thing to do is cure first and not kill.

Regards
DL

[Waymarker]

By doing so, he forsakes peacefuller protesting..

Jesus trashing the temple stalls had to be done to fulfil this ancient prophecy-
"zeal for your house consumes me" (Psalm 69:9).

Anyway it's not as if he used an AK-47 or hand grenades and stuff, so as protests go it was pretty peaceful.
And notice the trashing incident hasn't been edited out of the bible even though it might make Jesus look bad in some peoples eyes, therefore proving again we can trust that the bible hasn't been edited, censored or prettied up..:)

[Waymarker]

MHZ quote- You probably won't be impressed with him killing 2/3 of the worlds population on the day He returns then, even if those same ones are 'fixed' later in the program.
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Where'd the 2/3 figure come from? It's not in the Bible.
Jesus said "only a few" will be saved, but doesn't give any figure, so it could mean a few dozen, few hundred, few thousand etc, nobody knows.
And the fails WON'T be fixed later, that's just a wacky cult notion for those poor suckers who think they'll get a "second chance" to shape up after death..:)

[MHz]

Why kill first and cure later?
The moral thing to do is cure first and not kill.

Regards
DL

It is a sign that God is involved and it allows for a way to divide who lives inside New Jerusalem and who lives outside in the New Earth. The ones in the city would act in the role of priests in that the would be the host for the various celebrations that that would occur. Other than that there is not much difference in the roles they are given.

If It could have been done that way why would you think God wouldn't do it that way? ie not sending Jesus to the cross.

[Waymarker]

It is a sign that God is involved and it allows for a way to divide who lives inside New Jerusalem and who lives outside in the New Earth. The ones in the city would act in the role of priests in that the would be the host for the various celebrations that that would occur. Other than that there is not much difference in the roles they are given.
If It could have been done that way why would you think God wouldn't do it that way? ie not sending Jesus to the cross.

You gotta be jivin us boy!
Are you a closet christian cultist? They're the only ones who believe in that stuff, whereas all enlightened christians would find more sense in a Monty Python sketch..:)

[MHz]

MHZ quote- You probably won't be impressed with him killing 2/3 of the worlds population on the day He returns then, even if those same ones are 'fixed' later in the program.
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Where'd the 2/3 figure come from? It's not in the Bible.
Jesus said "only a few" will be saved, but doesn't give any figure, so it could mean a few dozen, few hundred, few thousand etc, nobody knows.
And the fails WON'T be fixed later, that's just a wacky cult notion for those poor suckers who think they'll get a "second chance" to shape up after death..:)

Verse 7 is referencing the cross and after the cross the Gospel was taken to the Gentiles, they are judged on the day of His return. The NT will verify a prophecy was fulfilled at the time of the arrest and Zec.14 is all about a 'remnant of the Nations', that is the 1/3 that survive. (they are joined by resurrected Gentiles who qualify as being part of the 'Church'.

Zec.13:7
Awake,
O sword,
against my shepherd,
and against the man that is my fellow,
saith the LORD of hosts: s
mite the shepherd,
and the sheep shall be scattered:
and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
Zec.13:8
And it shall come to pass,
that in all the land,
saith the LORD,
two parts therein shall be cut off and die;
but the third shall be left therein.
Zec.13:9
And I will bring the third part through the fire,
and will refine them as silver is refined,
and will try them as gold is tried:
they shall call on my name,
and I will hear them:
I will say,
It is my people:
and they shall say,
The LORD is my God.

[MHz]

You gotta be jivin us boy!
Are you a closet christian cultist? They're the only ones who believe in that stuff, whereas all enlightened christians would find more sense in a Monty Python sketch..:)

Several which have been posted in the last week.

This verse below would apply to all the ones alive for the 1,000 years, they will be a static population and New Jerusalem is big but over eternity it would overfill if they ones living inside had children as described in Isa.65

M't.22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry,
nor are given in marriage,
but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Re.20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.
Re.20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:
on such the second death hath no power,
but they shall be priests of God and of Christ,
and shall reign with him a thousand years.

[Waymarker]

Yeah, yeah (yawn) you're simply taking a few verses and trying to see things in them that aren't there, I swear you must be a closet christian cultist..:)
Jesus was quite clear that when we die it's GAME OVER.
Jesus said:-"Then they will go away to eternal punishment,but the righteous to eternal life" (Matt 25:46)

See, no hint of revolving doors to let people in and out!
Incidentally, if God is going to "fix" all the fails as you claim, that'd mean nobody would go to hell!
Dream on..:)

[lycanox]

Jesus trashing the temple stalls had to be done to fulfil this ancient prophecy-
"zeal for your house consumes me" (Psalm 69:9).

Yes, Just like 911 had to be done to fulfill Islamic rule.
Or the Holocaust had to be done to protect Christian principles.

So yes. pointing to devine causes is something all religious terrorist have.

Anyway it's not as if he used an AK-47 or hand grenades and stuff, so as protests go it was pretty peaceful.

People back then completely depended on their stands with wares.
Or on bringing up an daily income to keep afloat.

And regardless how you look at it. It is not peaceful.
No attempts attempts of seeking an peaceful solution has never been made.

And notice the trashing incident hasn't been edited out of the bible even though it might make Jesus look bad in some peoples eyes, therefore proving again we can trust that the bible hasn't been edited, censored or prettied up..:)

Or the writer just had nothing against Jesus beating up some people. And left it in because it happened to occur in his last days to keep the accounts complete.

[Greatest I am]

It is a sign that God is involved and it allows for a way to divide who lives inside New Jerusalem and who lives outside in the New Earth. The ones in the city would act in the role of priests in that the would be the host for the various celebrations that that would occur. Other than that there is not much difference in the roles they are given.

If It could have been done that way why would you think God wouldn't do it that way? ie not sending Jesus to the cross.

You try to justify his immorality with a fiction and add more child abuse on him for asking his son to die instead of him doing the right and moral thing of stepping up himself. Smooth work.

Regards
DL

[Goldmoon]

U worried or something?

Seems you sure spend a lot of time on here complaining about the activities of a God you don't believe in.

[tahn1000]

Yeah, yeah (yawn) you're simply taking a few verses and trying to see things in them that aren't there, I swear you must be a closet christian cultist..:)
Jesus was quite clear that when we die it's GAME OVER.
Jesus said:-"Then they will go away to eternal punishment,but the righteous to eternal life" (Matt 25:46)

See, no hint of revolving doors to let people in and out!
Incidentally, if God is going to "fix" all the fails as you claim, that'd mean nobody would go to hell!
Dream on..:)

LOL, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. wait- is't stringing together a few verses to make up a cute little story JUST what you did here?

Jesus trashing the temple stalls had to be done to fulfil this ancient prophecy-
"zeal for your house consumes me" (Psalm 69:9).

Anyway it's not as if he used an AK-47 or hand grenades and stuff, so as protests go it was pretty peaceful.
And notice the trashing incident hasn't been edited out of the bible even though it might make Jesus look bad in some peoples eyes, therefore proving again we can trust that the bible hasn't been edited, censored or prettied up..:)

[Waymarker]

[to the nonchristians]-U worried or something?
Seems you sure spend a lot of time on here complaining about the activities of a God you don't believe in.

Ha ha..:)
Same with Richard Dawkins, even Stephen Hawking asked him on TV-"why are you obsessed with God?", and Dawks was flustered for an answer and could only mumble a limp-"you started it!"

[Waymarker]

..People back then completely depended on their stands with wares...

Yes that's fine, but setting up shop inside the Temple was pushing their luck a bit, so no wonder Jesus told them "on yer bikes!"
I mean, how would you like it if you called into your local church for some quiet solitude and found it looking like a cross between Grand Central Station and E-bay?