Dream Act by Executive Order

[JenaS62]

I have not heard or seen anything about this. I stubbled upon it while on Congress.org today. Apparently in June, Obama signed the "Dream Act" by executive order even though it was not passed by congress back in December. So congress represents the people and voted it down and now Obama can just do what he wants when he wants and no one says a word. Brilliant.



http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011...ecutive-order/

"On Friday, the Obama administration issued a memo announcing that federal immigration officials do not have to deport illegal aliens if they are enrolled in any type of education program, if their family members have volunteered for U.S. military service, or even if they are pregnant or nursing.

This new policy of “prosecutorial discretion” was quietly announced on Friday afternoon, and completely ignored by the mainstream press.

Author of Arizona’s SB1070 and Kansas’ secretary of state, Kris Kobach, told the Daily Caller: “They’re pushing the [immigration] agents to be even more lax, to go further in not enforcing the law. At a time when millions of Americans are unemployed and looking for work, this is more bad news coming from the Obama administration… [if the administration] really cared about putting Americans back to work, it would be vigorously enforcing the law.”

[DaKat]

I have not heard or seen anything about this.

And the REASON you didn't hear anything about it is because it's BULLSHIT!

[DontBeAfraid]

On Friday, the Obama administration issued a memo announcing that federal immigration officials do not have to deport illegal aliens if they are enrolled in any type of education program, if their family members have volunteered for U.S. military service, or even if they are pregnant or nursing.

So jena, which part do you disagree with? Do you disagree with a giving immigration officials some discretionary powers?
Do you disagree with not deporting students?
Do you disagree with allowing the family members of the brave men and women in our military to stay?
Do you disagree with not booting pregnant women and New mothers out of the country?

So jena, which of these groups are you for deporting? Now that it is legal for them to be here you cant go with the "they broke the law" broken record... They are legal, now you have to be honest and just tell us which groups you just dont want here...

[JenaS62]

Sure it's bullshit.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/obama-dream-act

http://www.rightsidenews.com/2011080...dream-act.html

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepa...utive_ice_memo

[Nu Kua]

Jena, this is a WIKI but the sources are good. Talks about it's beginnings, how it was stalled, and how the Democrats hope to get it back on the table.

This article is from May.

The Hill:
Senate Dems to reintroduce DREAM Act

Senate Democratic leaders said Wednesday they will renew their effort to pass the DREAM Act, which would provide a path toward legal residency for some illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children.

The announcement was made from the Senate floor by the author of the legislation, Assistant Senate Majority Leader Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) and came on the heels of a speech made by President Obama in El Paso, Texas, on Tuesday in which he called for immigration reform and advocated for the act.

“Our immigration laws prevent thousands of young people from fully contributing to our nation’s future,” said Durbin. “These young people have lived in this country for most of their lives. It is the only home they know. They are American in every sense except their technical legal status.”

The DREAM Act would create a path to legal residency for children whose parents brought them to the United States illegally, as long as they learn English and earn a college education or join the military.

The DREAM Act was a top priority for President Obama during the 111th Congress, but the legislation stalled in the Senate after winning House approval.

[JenaS62]

I disagree with Obama going around congress with an executive order. I thought I made that clear.

[DontBeAfraid]

I disagree with Obama going around congress with an executive order. I thought I made that clear.

So you are FOR the Dream act then?

[JenaS62]

I feel pretty neutral about it actually.

The dream act is not really the concern. It's the executive order that is of concern.

[DontBeAfraid]

I feel pretty neutral about it actually.

The dream act is not really the concern.

Then why, in your opening post, did you quote only the repercussions of the dream act? It seemed to be your focus.

we both know you arent neutral about it jena...

So are you OK with the repercussions of this specific executive order in as much as it relates to immigration?

[Anarch]

Personally I am...

But I am pro immigration.

However I do agree that passing a defeated bill by an act of an executive order is what you should all be concerned about.

It totally negates the idea of representation.

Meh...I'm sure it's justifiable because the Super congress would of fast tracked it. /sarc

[JenaS62]

Then why, in your opening post, did you quote only the repercussions of the dream act? It seemed to be your focus.

I quoted the whole article that I linked to. I guess you missed that.

Again and for the last time, my concern is about the executive order. We should all be concerned that this happens. It takes away representation as Anarch said. But don't focus on that DBA - make sure you distract from the issue at hand.

[DontBeAfraid]

The issue at hand is the dream act jena... what it is and how it was passed. So are you going to answer the question? If you tell me how you feel about each of the items in the list from the article you quoted Ill quit asking... Then we can get to the "real" issue...

[JenaS62]

What question? I already told you I don't care about the dream act. I am not going thru your silly list item by item and giving you an answer. I already did. Now fuck off. I'm going out to dinner.

[DontBeAfraid]

So you are OK that the dream act is the law, you just wish it had been put into law a different way... Well, everyone knows you are lying you dirty cunt... Enjoy eating your shit dinner.

[Freddy]

It is not all bad news as ICE will be working with the states to deport/remove illegals from the US. Congress may take up Obama's order or even a court challenge of his authority to usurp a constitutional power of the Congress.

"US immigration officials eliminated a major hurdle yesterday to expanding Secure Communities in Massachusetts and nationwide, putting states on notice that the controversial law enforcement program will be fully deployed nationwide by 2013.

US immigration officials launched Secure Communities in 2008, after piloting it in Boston and expanding in more than 40 states, enabling local law enforcement to share fingerprints of suspects arrested with federal immigration officials. The goal is to detain and deport illegal immigrants, particularly those who are violent or dangerous."

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...ok_not_needed/

[DontBeAfraid]

Why couldnt they share the fingerprints of arrested suspects before?

[Anarch]

Because you wax your fingertips?

[Freddy]

Why couldnt they share the fingerprints of arrested suspects before?

Some state governors were opting out but now they cannot. Most states were already in the program.

[Ningishiddza]

Some state governors were opting out but now they cannot. Most states were already in the program.

Yes, I'm sure in the most Hitlerian way Obama will withhold tax dollars from the States to force them to comply with the edicts from Washington.

I disagree with Obama going around congress with an executive order. I thought I made that clear.

So, a Brit cannot legally immigrate to the US, but a Brit can legally volunteer to serve in the US Military, then after being honorably discharged, illegally immigrate to the US and then be granted amnesty.

Got it.

[DontBeAfraid]

So, a Brit cannot legally immigrate to the US, but a Brit can legally volunteer to serve in the US Military, then after being honorably discharged, illegally immigrate to the US and then be granted amnesty.

Got it.

I see no problem with that at all...

[Nu Kua]

Didn't recruitment rates drop tremendously for a few years? Now they're luring people to become citizens if they'll go fight our wars abroad.
And citizens to... what's left here but a shell of a country with scattered interests? Employment is only getting worse with Obama on a NAFTA-like frenzy, and that's just one thing. Where are these people going to work, assuming they survive fighting our wars?

I know there is a college choice, too... but even college campus's get recruiters, and a lot of people consider the military as the easier option.

[calliope]

Actually, if you're a caucasian Brit -- esp in Arizona -- no one is going to question your legal right to be in the US.

The way the state is attempting to arrange things, is, if you have brown skin, the state authorities can stop you in the street and demand to see your "papers" that show proof of your legality to be in the US.

To go a step further, I suppose everyone will be fair game -- to be profiled, searched, and required show legal documentation, on demand.

We'll have to carry it on our person at all times.

Soon, the suspicious ones, whether due to skin color, nationality, race, religion or whatever "dangerous" designation is in vogue, will simply be required to wear visible yellow stars. Or have an identifying tattoo. Or whatever.

And soon, the Gestapo will be re-instated and watching every "citizen" and resident with suspicion and hostility.

Sounds fun, doesn't it? If not fun, at the very least, awfully familiar.

[DontBeAfraid]

So you are against immigrants because

+ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=768h3Tz4Qik" title="View this video at YouTube in a new window or tab" target="_blank">YouTube Video

[DontBeAfraid]

what the hell.... why is it there 3 times?... well I hit play on all three and its 3 times as funny...

[TNAfan121]

Jena, The only reason it didn't pass is because the Republicunts blocked it from getting 60.