Top CEO Pay Equals 3489 Years for Typical Worker

[GamerGal]

http://occupyamerica.crooksandliars....years-typical-

Ever have one of those days when you wonder why you even bother trying?

Via:

David Simon of Simon Property received a pay package worth more than $137 million for last year, and the typical CEO took home $9.6 million, according to an analysis by The Associated Press.
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A minimum wage worker — paid $7.25 per hour, as some workers at Simon malls are — would have to work one month shy of 9,096 years to make what Simon made last year. A person making the national median salary, $39,312 by AP calculations, would have to work 3,489 years.

Do something special for yourself this weekend, my math says you deserve it.

You know what we need? More tax cuts for the top 1%!!!!!

[Cartesiantheater]

Of course, GG. Of course that is what we need. Perhaps then it would only take 3,300 years for the average worker to earn such.

[DontBeAfraid]

People who defend this sort of pay difference DESERVE to be slaves... People who defend this pay difference because they are on the better end of it deserve to be thrown in wood chippers.

[Abyssal_Worm]

$39K is the national average? I'll take that in a heartbeat! Not sure what anyone could possibly do with $130 million other than blow it frivolous crap such as gold toilets or a mink seat cover for a toddler's Big Wheel...

[Cartesiantheater]

$39K is the national average? I'll take that in a heartbeat! Not sure what anyone could possibly do with $130 million other than blow it frivolous crap such as gold toilets or a mink seat cover for a toddler's Big Wheel...

Consider the national average is skewed by those who earn far more than that number.

1+ 1+ 1+ 1+ 2 + 3 + 4 + 2 + 3 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 300 + 450 + 100 + 1 + 1 + 1= 876

The average of that number, despite 17 0f those 20 numbers being 4 or less, is 43.65- more than 10 times the 4th highest number.


Now, things aren't skewed to that degree, since the wealthy comprise only 1 or 2%, but they are skewed nonetheless.

[Reef Badlaw]

Biggy Dee & The Shrimperials... I couldn't care less who makes what. Let's go after Hollywood mail-it-in's like DeCaprio then. -Or sports flops. I only hear 'corporate' mentioned. It's the person that matters. Here's a hint... rich people are frequently jealous of 'attitude' or savoir faire. Hang-out at the golf-course... You'll see it every day. What's next? Are we gonna rant about high IQ's not sharing their grade-point averages? It's the exact same thing as cash coveting.

[DontBeAfraid]

What's next? Are we gonna rant about high IQ's not sharing their grade-point averages? It's the exact same thing as cash coveting.

No it isnt. GPA is based on merit and work put it. CEO pay is NOT... Now go back to the corner reef, the adults capable of seeing things in more than black and white are having a conversation.

[Beatnik Bob]

Biggy Dee & The Shrimperials... I couldn't care less who makes what. Let's go after Hollywood mail-it-in's like DeCaprio then. -Or sports flops. I only hear 'corporate' mentioned. It's the person that matters. Here's a hint... rich people are frequently jealous of 'attitude' or savoir faire. Hang-out at the golf-course... You'll see it every day. What's next? Are we gonna rant about high IQ's not sharing their grade-point averages? It's the exact same thing as cash coveting.

Yeah, that's a very illogical analogy.

Grade point averages are not manufactured by the state and then acquired. There is not a supply.

[Reef Badlaw]

No it isnt. GPA is based on merit and work put it. CEO pay is NOT... Now go back to the corner reef, the adults capable of seeing things in more than black and white are having a conversation.

Yes it is. Hard work pays-off. You can't get around that fact. Envy of wealth = envy of those who have the conviction to work hard = envy of a 4.0 GPA.

[Reef Badlaw]

Yeah, that's a very illogical analogy.

Grade point averages are not manufactured by the state and then acquired. There is not a supply.

Then pull somebody out of grocery-store checkout-line and place your financial viability in their hands.

[DontBeAfraid]

Yes it is. Hard work pays-off. You can't get around that fact.

Not always and in fact not even all that often... That is the fact. Look to our current economy for evidence of that fact... Being born in the right family is what pays off.

Envy of wealth = envy of those who have the conviction to work hard = envy of a 4.0 GPA.

Reef, what is the divide between the average GPA and the TOP GPA? If you really want to use the gpa analogy then you have to advocate capping CEO pay at about twice the average workers pay...

No, your analogy is just ANOTHER republican bumper sticker FAIL...

[Beatnik Bob]

Yes it is. Hard work pays-off.

You're obviously naive.

In order to get rich in this country, you have to lie, cheat, steal, or be dishonest.

Good honest people who work hard do not become rich in the vast majority of cases.

Most of the time, people who make massive amounts of money are people who get paid to waste oxygen, fresh water, and resources to do a job a great many honest people could do.
In the case of CEO's, many of them do not work nearly as hard as the people who actually physically run the country.

And then, as spoiled children, they may run a company into the ground... Receive a government bailout.... And then spend it a yacht or something while "their" company that they were being overpaid to oversee shuts down.
But because they are un-elected government officials, they don't have to answer to the American people like the president does when we pay his salary.

They just get to have "high GPAs" that they couldn't have earned from an honest day's work if their life depended on it.

Don't get me wrong, there are honest rich people out there whom I know. However, not only do they usually not become as rich as people with "the highest GPAs" (your analogy is a complete joke. Stop being an idiot. Stop), but they are often much too honest to really take advantage of certain situations.

In fact, I'm going to say this right now: Reef Badlaw, because you believe the way you do, it is blatantly clear to me that you probably are rather poor. I find that many poor to middle class people have a bright disposition about wealth... While anyone who actually knows rich people and the culture behind it knows that most people that make good money would run a switch-blade into your trachea if it meant they could make more money... And it was legal to do so.

You must be really poor to think that way. Or maybe you're middle class. Either way, you are definitely not remotely rich--although that goes without saying.

You can't get around that fact. Envy of wealth = envy of those who have the conviction to work hard = envy of a 4.0 GPA.

Illogical syllogism if there ever was one.

Why don't you tell me a story about how people who sell cocaine have 4.0 GPAs? You want to talk about some of the scummiest people on the planet who don't give a single fuck about anyone... Then cocaine and heroine dealers are a good example.

No, I'm not talking about your neighborhood junky. I'm talking about people who are making millions. Bet you've never met them have you? Many of them are the spoiled brats of rich parents who decide to invest their money in cocaine. I mean let's face it, the war on drugs is about throwing the consumer or the small-time dealers in jail--it's not about throwing kids whose parents have exorbitant amounts of money into jail. Doesn't happen.

And yet you think GPA is "hard work." You either are a talking-point parrot, or you really have no clue what the real world is like. You wouldn't know what the wealth game was if it broad-sided you.
You want to talk about a huge number of people who make millions and millions of dollars? I would say these big time coke tycoons are it. And you would not believe how these people can go through money. Like my God. Instead of gambling or snorting away like $300k of it, it would be nice if they gave the money to me. Because I would actually use it... Like start a business or something. Investment even.
I hate them with a passion because I know them. And I despise the fact that I will not make money like they do because I am an honest, intelligent, person.

But money doesn't mean ANYTHING to these people. Actually, money doesn't mean ANYTHING to a great many of rich people. And therein lies the difference. I don't know if you take studies seriously... But I take them seriously. Education is important, and GPA is important. I worked hard for a good GPA.

Do a great many of the rich people I know give a single fuck about the amounts of money they find to piss away? No, they don't. If they were the equivalent of "students" obtaining a "GPA," they would have dropped out of college or never finished High School.
But again, making money has more to do with being a selfish asshole than hard work. If you don't know that, then you clearly don't know anyone with money. (When I say money, I'm not talking about nice houses... I'm talking about a whole other level of wealth you may or may not be familiar with).


You can take the following or leave it...But my experiences have led me to believe that when you make a lot of money, there's often a disconnect between you and the rest of society. You literally do not care about anyone or really believe in anything other than yourself. These spoiled brats that sell cocaine become rich adult brats who haven't done an honest day of work in their lives, and they don't care who they destroy because they grew up in money. Maybe they'll hit a hard partying streak and be forced to sell some stocks they got from daddy... But other than that, they don't know what real life is even like, so working hard doesn't mean anything to them.

In fact, many of these kids seem to waste their life in cocaine because cocaine's a hobby that their tycoon father has. (...Hate taxation? Please. So many of these mega-rich assholes are cokeheads. Expensive habit).

What astounds me is that poor and middle class people really don't know anything about any of it. Poor and middle class "Liberals" sometimes hate rich people because they're ignorant. And poor and middle class "Conservatives" sometimes place uncritical adulation on them because they're ignorant. It's amazing how few people there are that even understand not only how easy it is to make money if you are a despicable human being, but how making money is not what they think it is.

If you work at a job and you get paid $15 an hour... You're making money, and something close to a living wage.
When you fuck around, screw people over, and hate everyone on the planet, complain about everyone you see, and sit around in a skyscraper that somehow hired you because you know the right people and are the washout kid of someone important, then you are NOT making money. Although competent underpaid people beneath you are.


So here's a test for your syllogism.

I sometimes envy the mega rich. Because it would be nice to never have to even think of money as an object. You know... like the complete opposite of how you have to think about and maintain a good GPA.
Alright, since I envy wealth, do I envy those who have the conviction to work hard? I already work hard, so that isn't worth envying. Mega rich people are often many things, but "hard-working" isn't necessarily one of those things.

The majority of middle class people I've met were harder workers...

So does all of this equal the envy of a 4.0 GPA? No.

Since you are clearly naive, maybe it hadn't occured to you that you can work hard, and break your back doing it. Or you can be an absolute genius, and still not make $100 million.


But yes, sometimes I really do WISH wealth was like GPA. If wealth was like a GPA, I would be a billionaire. But unfortunately, making money is NOT like having a high GPA. I really wish it was. Which is why it makes me laugh in real life when people compare GPA to money. I know too many honest people who struggle for money compared to people who have more than they know what to do with and are dishonest thieves who care about absolutely nothing.

I do not envy them. I envy the fact that, against all logic, they have more money then I will have from being a good person who actually does care about other people.

So in answer to your inquiry:

Then pull somebody out of grocery-store checkout-line and place your financial viability in their hands.

If I made enough money, I would have no problem making some random person's day. However, I would still have criteria. I would give it to people who have a conscience, and I would have zero problems giving away large sums to people with a conscience.

All you need is enough money to invest in a good idea you have that there is a demand for and that you can make a business out of. You don't need money to cushion your ass for the rest of your life.
I wouldn't cling to money I didn't need. As it is, I already give money away... More than people who I know to make much more money than I do. By much more, I mean in the millions range.

But what am I complaining about? What I should be asking is why you are so clearly lazy, when it's obvious you aren't rich. Why are firefighters lazy? Why do soldiers and farmers have low "GPAs"? Why?
Why do you have a low GPA, reef?
Only a person who didn't know what wealth was would think the way you do. Thus, your GPA sucks.

/rant

[GamerGal]

If money was like GPA every one would be rich. If hard work= More Money Every one would be rich.

But I guess fire fighters, cops, soldiers, factory workers working 10 hour shifts, just don't work harder than Mitt Romney who has never held a real job. Raping the middle class and shutting down entire sections of business is not a real job.

[Kiehlroy]

No it isnt. GPA is based on merit and work put it. CEO pay is NOT... Now go back to the corner reef, the adults capable of seeing things in more than black and white are having a conversation.

You? Adult?

Like this...

Maybe you are just a bitch....

Or this...

I think BR goes both ways doesnt he?

Or this...

at war with myself? Are you drunk? Or just from the south?

ya... Im not from the south... sorry.
Different perspectives I guess... I dont feel like Im missing out on much.

+ YouTube Video

So what was that that stupid & divisive shit about the south now?

[Kiehlroy]

In order to get rich in this country, you have to lie, cheat, steal, or be dishonest.

Untrue... prove it.

Good honest people who work hard do not become rich in the vast majority of cases.

Untrue... prove it. You can't just say anything without backing it up or else no one has any intelligent reason to believe you Bob.

Most of the time, people who make massive amounts of money are people who get paid to waste oxygen, fresh water, and resources to do a job a great many honest people could do.

I don't think you qualified the idiom you used there Boreat, "Most of the time"? Where is the data to back up your little prepositional phrase there Bob?

In the case of CEO's, many of them do not work nearly as hard as the people who actually physically run the country.

But I thought CEO's did run the country Which is it Bob?

And then, as spoiled children, they may run a company into the ground... Receive a government bailout.... And then spend it a yacht or something while "their" company that they were being overpaid to oversee shuts down.
But because they are un-elected government officials, they don't have to answer to the American people like the president does when we pay his salary.

So they get bailouts from the people who run the country even though...

many of them do not work nearly as hard as the people who actually physically run the country.

Which? What? WTF!?! Who's what? I'm cross-eyed again! Goddamnit Bob!

They just get to have "high GPAs" that they couldn't have earned from an honest day's work if their life depended on it.

Who? The "Most of the time, people" you conjured from the "The Nether". You never backed up that Opinionated Prepositional Phrase with any data Bob. My guess is that you have never been a CEO.

Have you ever met one Bob?

I'm not even defending "CEO's". Most of them can afford their own legal teams for that "grunt" work. I'm just disappointed in the lack of quality and attention to detail in the forming of your arguments.

Don't get me wrong, there are honest rich people out there whom I know. However, not only do they usually not become as rich as people with "the highest GPAs" (your analogy is a complete joke. Stop being an idiot. Stop), but they are often much too honest to really take advantage of certain situations.

I might trust what you said about who you know a little more if you hadn't included the insults...

I hope you are being honest. That said, you just admitted to knowing actually honest rich people.

Though, I do believe that many a smart folk out there can easily justify to themselves the giving up of honesty in many a creative way. Especially when they see themselves surrounded by dunces...

I'm not saying it's right.

Then there are the sociopaths...

And they can spring from any socio-economic strata. More from certain strata than others? I dunno

In fact, I'm going to say this right now: Reef Badlaw, because you believe the way you do, it is blatantly clear to me that you probably are rather poor. I find that many poor to middle class people have a bright disposition about wealth... While anyone who actually knows rich people and the culture behind it knows that most people that make good money would run a switch-blade into your trachea if it meant they could make more money... And it was legal to do so.

You might be right. What I said about sociopaths... But why do you so many judgements based on assumptions Bob?

You must be really poor to think that way. Or maybe you're middle class. Either way, you are definitely not remotely rich--although that goes without saying.

Why so much vitriol combined mixed with that assumption Bob? I thought you were a supposed to be a compassionate type?

Illogical syllogism if there ever was one.

Not any more illogical than your "Most of the time" thesis.

Why don't you tell me a story about how people who sell cocaine have 4.0 GPAs? You want to talk about some of the scummiest people on the planet who don't give a single fuck about anyone... Then cocaine and heroine dealers are a good example.

What circles do you run in Bob? Are they round?

No, I'm not talking about your neighborhood junky. I'm talking about people who are making millions. Bet you've never met them have you? Many of them are the spoiled brats of rich parents who decide to invest their money in cocaine. I mean let's face it, the war on drugs is about throwing the consumer or the small-time dealers in jail--it's not about throwing kids whose parents have exorbitant amounts of money into jail. Doesn't happen.

Oh no... Now there's the "Many of them"... Is every drug dealer a spoiled rich kid Bob? Yes, they are out there and they are usually little pricks... but everyone doesn't sit on the top of the pyramid Bob.

Even idiots know how pyramids "work".

And yet you think GPA is "hard work." You either are a talking-point parrot, or you really have no clue what the real world is like. You wouldn't know what the wealth game was if it broad-sided you.
You want to talk about a huge number of people who make millions and millions of dollars? I would say these big time coke tycoons are it. And you would not believe how these people can go through money. Like my God. Instead of gambling or snorting away like $300k of it, it would be nice if they gave the money to me. Because I would actually use it... Like start a business or something. Investment even.
I hate them with a passion because I know them. And I despise the fact that I will not make money like they do because I am an honest, intelligent, person.

My guess is the above mindset is the reason why our public schools are fucking worthless to our society...

Noooo, don't do homework! Don't study! Don't Bother! GPA's are racist! Yessir! That was sarcasm there.

Yes Bob, there are plenty of rich pricks out there. We get it already Pricks abound on Planet Earth! Welcome home Bob.

But money doesn't mean ANYTHING to these people. Actually, money doesn't mean ANYTHING to a great many of rich people. And therein lies the difference. I don't know if you take studies seriously... But I take them seriously. Education is important, and GPA is important. I worked hard for a good GPA.

So now you finally try to qualify yourself? Well guess what? You ain't the only one. Go and do it man. Go make a business out of snubbing it to all these rich assholes you obviously hate so much.

Go do it!

Do a great many of the rich people I know give a single fuck about the amounts of money they find to piss away? No, they don't. If they were the equivalent of "students" obtaining a "GPA," they would have dropped out of college or never finished High School.
But again, making money has more to do with being a selfish asshole than hard work. If you don't know that, then you clearly don't know anyone with money. (When I say money, I'm not talking about nice houses... I'm talking about a whole other level of wealth you may or may not be familiar with).

For some reason that paragraph reminded me of a description of the "welfare mentality" many working Americans observe in those who drive their fat welfare asses up to KFC on our dime(s). Every night. Eat nothing but junk food, and sit on their asses but somehow they have nice cars and cell phones and they eat out every night....

If money is free then why worry how you spend it right? That's kinda the same argument there Bob.

You can take the following or leave it...But my experiences have led me to believe that when you make a lot of money, there's often a disconnect between you and the rest of society. You literally do not care about anyone or really believe in anything other than yourself. These spoiled brats that sell cocaine become rich adult brats who haven't done an honest day of work in their lives, and they don't care who they destroy because they grew up in money. Maybe they'll hit a hard partying streak and be forced to sell some stocks they got from daddy... But other than that, they don't know what real life is even like, so working hard doesn't mean anything to them.

You even expounded on my last point.

Fucking welfare. People who don't earn what they have and then waste it on junk. Thanks Bob

In fact, many of these kids seem to waste their life in cocaine because cocaine's a hobby that their tycoon father has. (...Hate taxation? Please. So many of these mega-rich assholes are cokeheads. Expensive habit).

Are you still on the same subject? This is why I called you Boreat Bob. From now on you are officially known as Boreat Bob!

What astounds me is that poor and middle class people really don't know anything about any of it. Poor and middle class "Liberals" sometimes hate rich people because they're ignorant. And poor and middle class "Conservatives" sometimes place uncritical adulation on them because they're ignorant. It's amazing how few people there are that even understand not only how easy it is to make money if you are a despicable human being, but how making money is not what they think it is.

No shit.... I think we've been over that already.

If you work at a job and you get paid $15 an hour... You're making money, and something close to a living wage.
When you fuck around, screw people over, and hate everyone on the planet, complain about everyone you see, and sit around in a skyscraper that somehow hired you because you know the right people and are the washout kid of someone important, then you are NOT making money. Although competent underpaid people beneath you are.

Translation: Bob hates rich people... still.

So here's a test for your syllogism.

I sometimes envy the mega rich. Because it would be nice to never have to even think of money as an object. You know... like the complete opposite of how you have to think about and maintain a good GPA.
Alright, since I envy wealth, do I envy those who have the conviction to work hard? I already work hard, so that isn't worth envying. Mega rich people are often many things, but "hard-working" isn't necessarily one of those things.

So basically, you really, really hate Paris Hilton.

The majority of middle class people I've met were harder workers...

Eh, some just had better GPA's that lower class workers. And some just have more common sense...

So does all of this equal the envy of a 4.0 GPA? No.

Show your work Bob!

Since you are clearly naive, maybe it hadn't occured to you that you can work hard, and break your back doing it. Or you can be an absolute genius, and still not make $100 million.

It's all about focus Bob. You have to focus.

A focused genius can do a great many things!

But yes, sometimes I really do WISH wealth was like GPA. If wealth was like a GPA, I would be a billionaire. But unfortunately, making money is NOT like having a high GPA. I really wish it was. Which is why it makes me laugh in real life when people compare GPA to money. I know too many honest people who struggle for money compared to people who have more than they know what to do with and are dishonest thieves who care about absolutely nothing.

We get it Bob. And "wishing" is not the same as doing. There is no "try" Bob.

I

do not envy them. I envy the fact that, against all logic, they have more money then I will have from being a good person who actually does care about other people.

I won't dispute your intentions but I do think you have an issue to deal with.

If I made enough money, I would have no problem making some random person's day. However, I would still have criteria. I would give it to people who have a conscience, and I would have zero problems giving away large sums to people with a conscience.

Great! Go DO it!

All you need is enough money to invest in a good idea you have that there is a demand for and that you can make a business out of. You don't need money to cushion your ass for the rest of your life.
I wouldn't cling to money I didn't need. As it is, I already give money away... More than people who I know to make much more money than I do. By much more, I mean in the millions range.

Doooo Itttt!!!

But what am I complaining about? What I should be asking is why you are so clearly lazy, when it's obvious you aren't rich. Why are firefighters lazy? Why do soldiers and farmers have low "GPAs"? Why?
Why do you have a low GPA, reef?
Only a person who didn't know what wealth was would think the way you do. Thus, your GPA sucks.

/rant

All because someone made a sensical statement...

Then pull somebody out of grocery-store checkout-line and place your financial viability in their hands.

Reef has a point based on "intellectual" merit. Not that I or Reef(I suspect) would discriminate against the cashier based on presuppositions of their level of honesty, but I would definitely not entrust just anyone with any of my hard earned and valuable assets without them proving to me that they can at least do basic arithmetic first.

That's obviously a "common sense" issue that apparently isn't all that common...

I went to home depot today and the cashier didn't even scan one or our items because she was too busy "looking at the ceiling" and bouncing her titties around(Yes... I noticed;) at her easy ass job.

If she can't even do a cashier's job she sure as hell ain't touching my money.

Not when my job has no lunch breaks. 9 hours(no lunch break) with maybe a couple of cig breaks timing in at 2 to 3 minutes tops, the whole time on my feet in the heat... I don't think so.

I want high GPA's and some proof of mathematic proficiency on the wall or somewhere if I'm entrusting my blood, sweat and "tears" to someone else.

Common sense man. Sound judgements.

[Reef Badlaw]

Thanks, K... You spoke more succinctly than I, who'd inevitably lapse into Babylon-mode (babble-on).

My GPA was 3.5 and I'm worth over a mill... I live exactly to what my philosophy has always been: make a fortune, lose (spend, give) a fortune, make a fortune, lose a fortune, make a fortune, lose et cetera... I originally weaved inside-the-law/outside-the-law but've basically behaved-myself the last couple decades. I conquered 'envy' at some dim point in the past. -Which is what this thread is based-on, since GG's article doesn't express jack-shit of what David Simon's work precluding his bonus-package, entailed.

And how dare one-of-the-article's-cheerleader-comments quote Bob Howard... He (via Conan/Clarney/Blaine/Bran Mac Morn, etc.) reflects my make a fortune, lose a fortune/barbarians wandering free in the world philosophy.


" At this point in his life, Conan inexplicably found himself crowned King... "

[Beatnik Bob]

Untrue... prove it.

You and Reef can take it or leave it, but what I said was based off of some personal experience.

I know numerous rich people. I have many rich people in my family. You would not believe how many people became rich.

In order for Reef's syllogism to be logical, it has to at least be accurate. Can you acquire money without even caring about anything? Yes. Can you get a good GPA with the same ambivalent attitude? Generally no.
Can you inherit a GPA? No, at least that shouldn't be the case. It should be based off of your work.
Can you be an asshole and get a good GPA? Yes. Can you be dishonest and get a good GPA? Yes. In those ways, GPA is like making money, but when Reef tacked on the word "hardworking," he seemed to be suggesting that there was an underlying level of honesty to being rich.
Which is the case sometimes. But generally speaking, if you make money it's because you know how to make money. I said I know honest rich people. In my family even. My grandfather is a scientist who worked in a company in the 1950's to help create whitening agents in bleach and some of the chemicals in insecticides.
He worked hard, he was honest, and he made something useful for society. In return, the company paid him very well. To me, he is an example of real wealth.

Compare that to the cocaine addicts of wealthy CEOs and Wall Street guys. I know for a fact, from several of their sons telling me, that they do cocaine.
And I know adults who were born into extreme wealth and then sold cocaine to get more of it.

They aren't hard workers, they didn't really produce anything, and, believe it or not, they don't give a damn about money. They just like being destructive.

Now, personal experiences aside, there are actual studies done that show this unscrupulous nature of many rich people.

Rich people are unethical: http://articles.businessinsider.com/...ional-prestige

Rich people cheat and steal: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...hers-find.html
...And lie and break the law: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012...n_1306167.html

Untrue... prove it. You can't just say anything without backing it up or else no one has any intelligent reason to believe you Bob.

The point is that GPA is not a metaphor for wealth accumulation. If that were true, then nobody would move anywhere in the U.S., because social mobility is so low.
The fact that Reef made an illogical syllogism is a self proving statement, because Reef wouldn't be able to prove his syllogism if his life depended on it. I already proved his syllogism doesn't work.

Rich people have rich kids not because their children are intelligent or competent or even slightly motivated toward anything in life, but because they have rich.
And then some rich kids, who have even half a clue in their brain, realize they can use some of their daddy's money to make more money.
Famous example of this is Donald Trump. If it weren't for Donald Trump's dad being a hard-working cutthroat wiseguy, nobody would even know who his son was. Donald isn't that smart (he has lost more and declared bankruptcy more times than is worth noting), and yet he has a great deal of money because he is essentially just a representative of a new type of economic monarchy in this country. Incompetent, nominally intelligent, probably a cokehead, and rich... And not because he actually earned anything.

Getting back to the studies I linked though, the rich have crime like the poor do. People get shot in poor neighborhoods and people stab each other in the back and petty gang violence and stupidity run rampant.
However, the ghetto is almost a microcosm of the U.S.'s social classes. Rich people in the ghetto are coke dealers, middle class people work for them or get a job at some convenience store that gets periodically robbed, and the poor people collect welfare.

The difference between the "rich" in the ghetto and the the rich in the U.S. is that the rich in the U.S. make enough money to the point where they are actually above the law. It's rare to see the law carried out against people whose parents made exorbitant amounts of money compared to poor criminals who are petty murderers or thieves but basically have the same mentality as the mega rich.

So while I'm perfectly capable of demonizing the rich and the poor simultaneously, the poor at least should be given some slack because the law applies to them most of the time.

Where were the cops when the millionaire's bratty spawn snorted and gambled $300k in a week? And where were they when his friends (the kids of other millionaires) did this as well? All the time... Just so they can miraculously manage to rake in $500k to replace it.
They were probably out hunting down coke dealers who got their coke, inevitably, from one of these wealthy brats. Except the coke dealers were only small-time rich. Maybe a nice car, some gaudy jewelry, but still had to pay a group of people to deliver his product.

But hey, if you see a difference between rich people and poor people, let me know. The only difference I'm aware of is poor people get arrested more often.

I don't think you qualified the idiom you used there Boreat, "Most of the time"? Where is the data to back up your little prepositional phrase there Bob?

Where was the data to back-up Reef's illogical syllogism.

That was not a question at all.

Also, again, I'm speaking from the position of actually knowing wealthy people. Partially because I have wealthy family so I've been in their stupid circle.
People who get "high GPAs" and do not deserve them, are a waste of every resource I can think of. Especially when they blow away their "GPAs" because they care about nothing but themselves, but manage to recover them anyway.
Such a waste of funds and space on the planet.
And don't tell me that doesn't happen. Because I've seen that happen too many times. And the fact that it is constantly happening is PROOF that GPAs are not like money.

You have to actually work hard to get a good GPA. If you think you have to work hard to become rich, then you must be thinking about Steve Jobs (rest in peace...) or Bill Gates.
That's one way to do it. But I would say it's easier to cheat and steal to get rich... Rather than think. I could have $2 million right now if I wanted to, but I'm not a dirty animal.

Also, maybe it sounds like I'm just writing a tirade against the massive use of cocaine among the mega-rich, but I'm not. That's just one example of why GPA has nothing to do with money, and that money actually doesn't mean anything to many rich people.
In fact, I would speculate that it means more to poor people simply because survival is not a given for them. I've met enough rich people who don't care about money, and waste it everywhere, to know that if they (who have "high GPAs") treated their money like they did a GPA... Their GPA would be 2.

...However, if truth be told, cocaine is a bigger business than many realize. It has actually become a mark of status. Weed is largely for poor people, and cocaine and anything else expensive is for the rich. If you can supply it for a gathering, like fine wine from the 1700s, then you may have scored some social points with your peers. Because it's so lucrative, many rich kids try to start their "entrepreneurship" this way.

But I thought CEO's did run the country Which is it Bob?

For example, during the bailout. CEOs (with "high GPAs") were given taxpayer money. In ordinary circumstances, this would make them a public servant who had to answer to their boss who pays them... The American people. Similar to how the American people pay the president's wage.

CEOs don't run the country per se, but many of them get their way.

There are enough exceptions to Reef's "GPA" analogy to make it completely false. I'm tired of hard work being compared to something that merely requires the ability to be a pathological liar.
(Honest millionaires and billionaires excluded).

Much of it is honestly just having the amount of money to start with. If you have money, you can make more money.

So they get bailouts from the people who run the country even though...

No.
The simple concept clearly went over your head.

What's humorous is many conservatives were upset with corporate welfare back during the bailout. And now if you bring the issue up, they gawk like doe-eyed idiots with political Alzheimer's.

Go drink some cool aid...

Who? The "Most of the time, people" you conjured from the "The Nether". You never backed up that Opinionated Prepositional Phrase with any data Bob. My guess is that you have never been a CEO.

I'm not ruthless enough to be a CEO.

And obviously I wrote an Editorial. Reef's post deserved nothing more. The syllogism was actually so stupid it should have been ignored. But I read it and laughed, so I thought I should reply to the naivety.

You shouldn't dislike me, Kiel. Because you are probably a hard worker. And I recognize that fact. In fact, even though both you and Reef are astoundingly innocent, I would bet you both know how to fight for a decent wage, know how to spend money, and know how to work to survive.

You are both better people than every rich person who doesn't care about money, even if you choose not to know it. Making money is actually a poor man's game, not a rich man's game (again, there are always exceptions).

Have you ever met one Bob?

Of course.

Generally speaking? So overpaid...

I'm not even defending "CEO's". Most of them can afford their own legal teams for that "grunt" work. I'm just disappointed in the lack of quality and attention to detail in the forming of your arguments.

My last post wasn't an argument in the traditional sense.
Reef's illogical statement didn't deserve an argument. It deserved an editorial.

Since you are suddenly concerned with attention to detail, then look at the "/rant" at the end of my last post.

You know, I think you are probably intelligent. You just aren't good at thinking about things sometimes.

I might trust what you said about who you know a little more if you hadn't included the insults...

You can believe whatever the fuck you want.

And ultimately, you will believe whatever the fuck you want.

You and reef and believe that GPAs are like net worth. In the end, that makes you both just another poor-person cliché.

I hope you are being honest. That said, you just admitted to knowing actually honest rich people.

Are you an idiot?

Quote from me:

ORIGINALLY POSTED BY BEATNIK BOB: Don't get me wrong, there are honest rich people out there whom I know.

People in my family among them. I have unscrupulous assholes in my family too though.

Though, I do believe that many a smart folk out there can easily justify to themselves the giving up of honesty in many a creative way. Especially when they see themselves surrounded by dunces...

Most humans are morons. However, that doesn't make it ok to screw them over even if they're blissfully ignorant.

The problem isn't giving up honesty... It's not even having a conscience in the first place, because being surrounded by money has made them not even realize what life is. They care about literally nothing.

And for this reason, it's difficult for me not to insult them. But again, I actually know them, and I guess you do not... So you have nothing to even be upset about.

Then there are the sociopaths

Have you read Snakes in Suits?

They're technically unethical, but I guess at least they have ambition. And for some reason I don't mind them as much if they were poor or middle class and worked their way up. That's fine, and that's even like GPA a little bit, which people sometimes cheat at.
But interestingly, these ambitious quasi-psychopaths sometimes have kids...

And they can spring from any socio-economic strata.

Obviously.
However, even in the poor strata, they make more money. They just make more money in general. If they are a small-time gangster or an investor who has put their money in a cartel.

However, you're right about one thing... This culture glamorizes crime and unscrupulous behavior at every level. Gangsters aren't just poor people. But for some reason, if you are a successful criminal (as opposed to a criminal who got caught... ie a poor criminal) you are an American success story.


So yeah, all the economic strata are the same... But tell me, which economic strata occupies the prisons?

More from certain strata than others? I dunno

No. Not necessarily.

It should be clear why I am focusing on the rich though, if only because Reef attempted to allude that everyone who isn't rich is not a hard worker. Or does not work as hard as someone who is rich.

That's patently false. Moreover, it is so false, it isn't even worth a response.

You might be right. What I said about sociopaths... But why do you so many judgements based on assumptions Bob?

What assumptions.

I'm not talking about people who I don't know.

Why so much vitriol combined mixed with that assumption Bob?

I can see why you don't get it... You are in the dark about it, so you have nothing to worry about. It's a far off story to you until a rich asshole who will never see the inside of a prison simply steals $200k from someone who is very close to you... Without recourse.

If you are worried though... No, I'm not just grinding an axe against all rich people due to a few experiences with their ungrateful/entitled spawn.

What's disenfranchising aren't the isolated incidents... But the fact that crime in the "upper class" actually is more widespread than that.

I thought you were a supposed to be a compassionate type?

Sometimes I express human emotions.

Oh no... Now there's the "Many of them"... Is every drug dealer a spoiled rich kid Bob? Yes, they are out there and they are usually little pricks... but everyone doesn't sit on the top of the pyramid Bob.

I'm not talking about dealers I guess. Dealing is a chain. I mean something close to a distributor.

Yes Bob, there are plenty of rich pricks out there. We get it already Pricks abound on Planet Earth! Welcome home Bob.

"Pricks" who did not work hard to become rich.

Which is something you have to do to get a good GPA.

If money is free then why worry how you spend it right? That's kinda the same argument there Bob.

Again, the poor and rich classes aren't as different as you think.

Poor people just go to jail more often.

Fucking welfare. People who don't earn what they have and then waste it on junk. Thanks Bob

Good.
We're on the same page then.

I do agree that more parameters need to be put on welfare. However, there actually are people who work and struggle who deserve some welfare, just like there are people who are born rich and invest their money wisely.

Maybe you think my examples are extreme then. That still should not change the fact that such examples disprove Reef's analogy.

Translation: Bob hates rich people... still.

No.
I am resentful of rich people who did NOT get rich from hard work.

And especially so if they squander and waste the money. People are struggling to feed their kids while some of these brats throw away cash like it grew on trees.

So basically, you really, really hate Paris Hilton.

I don't know her... But yeah, I probably wouldn't like her.

She's another good example of why GPA is not like net wealth. You think anyone would care about her if it wasn't for her parents?

We get it Bob. And "wishing" is not the same as doing. There is no "try" Bob.

You can try hard and be honest and still not make as much as someone who is dishonest.

And if you have more money, you can make more money. Give me a million and I can make 2 million out of it.

[Beatnik Bob]

My GPA was 3.5 and I'm worth over a mill...

I guess that makes you "technically" rich...

1-1.5 million is kind of low compared to what I'm talking about.

Let's put it this way... You have accumulated a great deal of money and I know people who would blow the entire amount on a $1.1 million car that they could go wreck somewhere.

[Reef Badlaw]

Well, a family-member of a company's founder virtually never 'inherits' the position of Chief Executive Officer. They'll inherit figurehead-type positions like president, vice-president, etc., if they prove incapable of structurally progressing the company forward.

They can inherit the company, fire everyone, squander its assets... but that's a kharma beef.

[DontBeAfraid]

alright everyone... relying on kharma to dole out justice is as ridiculous as relying on jesus to hunt down pedophiles...

[Beatnik Bob]

Karma is not real...

If it was, bad things would not happen to good people.

[....]

And many/most of these CEOs did still grow up in wealth.
What's interesting is, many of America's more successful companies were managed by people who weren't spoiled rich brats... Like Bill Gates, or Steve Jobs (before). It's interesting how having massive wealth seems to lower your productivity.
Which isn't surprising... Since that was one of the large drawbacks of monarchy.

EDIT: Also, I was looking back at my last two posts. Please forgive the mistakes and errors. Some emotion broke through. Perhaps you could tell that I feel very strongly about this subject.
Anyway, thank you people for not trolling me for errors and parts that were communicated somewhat oddly. Or the tangent in general. Hah!

[Abyssal_Worm]

I'll still take the $39,000...

Consider the national average is skewed by those who earn far more than that number.

1+ 1+ 1+ 1+ 2 + 3 + 4 + 2 + 3 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 300 + 450 + 100 + 1 + 1 + 1= 876

The average of that number, despite 17 0f those 20 numbers being 4 or less, is 43.65- more than 10 times the 4th highest number.


Now, things aren't skewed to that degree, since the wealthy comprise only 1 or 2%, but they are skewed nonetheless.

[Reef Badlaw]

Anyway, thank you people for not trolling me for errors and parts that were communicated somewhat oddly. Or the tangent in general. Hah!

Most of us read-between-the-words so we're not gonna do that.

But I forgot to mention partnerships, which is why the CEO-position is generally filled by a 'neutral'.