Is it permissible ??????

[tahn1000]

LOL, hold up a mirror to your face when you say that!

but let's COMPARE hebrews, WRITTEN THOUSANDS OF YEARS AFTER MOSES, with exodus, line for line....

HEBREWS

{8:1} Now of the things which we have spoken [this is] the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; {8:2} A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. {8:3} For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore [it is] of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. {8:4} For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: {8:5} Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, [that] thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

EXODUS

{25:36} Their knops and their branches shall be of the same: all it [shall be] one beaten work [of] pure gold. {25:37} And thou shalt make the seven lamps thereof: and they shall light the lamps thereof, that they may give light over against it. {25:38} And the tongs thereof, and the snuffdishes thereof, [shall be of] pure gold. {25:39} [Of] a talent of pure gold shall he make it, with all these vessels. {25:40} And look that thou make [them] after their pattern, which was shewed thee in the mount.

NOW WHERE EXACTLY CAN THESE TWO PASSAGES BE SAID TO BE THE SAME?? ONE SINGLE LINE IN HEBREWS REFERRED TO A MERE VERSE IN EXODUS!

and where is the surprise to that - that whoever wrote the epistle to the hebrews would REFER to the old testament to reinforce their own message and authority to dispense "god's will"?

you are an ignorant fool.

[debonnaire]

you have only the scriptures apparently , and nothing more

we are obviously a million miles away from each other ... that's the way it is ...

[Ningishiddza]

what you call twisted rhetoric , God calls it an intelligence that has been opened.

Okay, so here....

Nehemiah 13:1 On that day the book of Moses was read aloud in the hearing of the people. They found written in it that no Ammonite or Moabite may ever enter the assembly of God.

...your god in his "twisted rhetoric" bans Moabites from the assembly of god. Then here.....

Ruth 1:4 So her sons married Moabite women. (One was named Orpah and the other Ruth.) And they continued to live there about ten years.

...we see that Ruth is a Moabite. And then here it says....

Ruth 4:13 So Boaz married Ruth and had sexual relations with her. The Lord enabled her to conceive and she gave birth to a son....4:17 They named him Obed. Now he became the father of Jesse – David’s father!

Since King David is descended of Moabites, he cannot enter the assembly of god.

And since Jesus is descended of King David and of Ruth the Moabite, neither can Jesus....

Luke 3:23 So Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years old. He was the son of Joseph, the son of Heli,...3:31...the son of David 3:32 the son of Jesse, the son of Obed, the son of Boaz.

I think you were saying something about god's alleged intelligence.....which is extremely lacking.

[debonnaire]

It seems the Moabites , and likewise the Ammonites , were immoral and pagans. And more than once in the O.T , we see some of them who have looked for the downfall of the Israelites. (Baalam who instructed the Moabites women to seduce the men of Israel, Sanballat descendant of Moab and Tobiah the Ammonite using every trick to discourage and attack the work of Nehemiah , … )

God who sees the future and knows the end from the beginning, knew that bad things would happen to the Israelites if there was mixing between them and the Moabites/Ammonites.

However , Ruth the Moabite was not like the Moabites. She has obviously forsaken the pagan gods , and clung to the God of Israel.

So where is the problem ?

What you call “lack of intelligence from God” , I call it “Grace”. God obviously received Ruth and removed the curse of the past that is over her people of Moab. Not only did the Lord accepted her, but used her as if she had always been an Israelite, and not according to her past.
There is shadows of the Gospel in this story , where there is no more natural Jews nor pagans ; Jesus receives ANYONE who comes to him , by faith , and despite what the Law says.

…I shall not cast him out, that comes to me. (John 6:37)

Christ again-bought us from the curse of the law (Galatians 3:13)

[tahn1000]

balaam, son of boer, was a MAN, not a god. but if IGNORANCE and SUPERSTITION are all it takes to get to heaven, your place is assured.

[debonnaire]

and where did i wrote that Balaam was a god and not a man ?

[eninn]

It's simple
Does not need all this confusion
Moses, peace be upon him
And after
Jesus peace be upon him
Prophets
To call people to worship the one God

Listen carefully

Here to get rid of this confusion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXvSpWuTBVc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biRmSJT43gM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CnCJndgZ3U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euypqVZdQqs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grz-lIKoFN4

allah guided you

[Bob]

That seems like an awful amount of trouble to go thru for just one god...

[tahn1000]

a warning from christ himself to all the so-called "christians"

(John 5:37-40 jesus berating the saducees)
37. And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
38. And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
39. Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

christ did not worship your "one true god". and you will never know christ or his words while you spew the jewish god's propaganda.

[eninn]

This link
Listen carefully
The whole truth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0APULRhtko

allah guided you

[tahn1000]

the jewish religious leaders MURDERED christ, and the so-called christians not only ignore that fact but APPLAUD IT. christians rejoice in the murder of christ, and still dare to call themselves "christians". they reinforce through each generation the lies and propaganda while ignoring what is written.

[eninn]

55. And (remember) when Allah said: "O 'Iesa (Jesus)! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you [of the forged statement that 'Iesa (Jesus) is Allah's son] of those who disbelieve, and I will make those who follow you (Monotheists, who worship none but Allah) superior to those who disbelieve [in the Oneness of Allah, or disbelieve in some of His Messengers, e.g. Muhammad , 'Iesa (Jesus), Musa (Moses), etc., or in His Holy Books, e.g. the Taurat (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), the Qur'an] till the Day of Resurrection. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between you in the matters in which you used to dispute."

Surah Ale-Imran

156. And because of their (Jews) disbelief and uttering against Maryam (Mary) a grave false charge (that she has committed illegal sexual intercourse);

157. And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ]:

158. But Allah raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise.

159. And there is none of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), but must believe in him ['Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), as only a Messenger of Allah and a human being], before his ['Iesa (Jesus) or a Jew's or a Christian's] death (at the time of the appearance of the angel of death). And on the Day of Resurrection, he ['Iesa (Jesus)] will be a witness against them.

160. For the wrong-doing of the Jews, We made unlawful to them certain good foods which has been lawful to them, and for their hindering many from Allah's Way;

161. And their taking of Riba (usury) though they were forbidden from taking it and their devouring of men's substance wrongfully (bribery, etc.). And We have prepared for the disbelievers among them a painful torment.

162. But those among them who are well-grounded in knowledge, and the believers, believe in what has been sent down to you (Muhammad ) and what was sent down before you, and those who perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat and believe in Allah and in the Last Day, it is they to whom We shall give a great reward.

Surah An-Nisa'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOEkeB3-dzk

[tahn1000]

so, having failed to curb the unbridled ambition of the jeshurun (jewish religious leaders) to become as gods (sons of god, as they called themselves), "god" apparently turned his attention to his still faithful servants brought to him under that nation of ishmael.

unfortunately the jews never gave up their boast and have taught the "christians" well, and they have their own "god's army" to destroy these challengers to "god's favour".

[Jake99]

Its common knowledge that pregnant women should avoid alcohol, that is it not in the best interests of the child. A woman only needs common sense to be responsiible for the child they are carrying, regardless of what religion she believes in...even one that is not dependent on Mohammads words of wisdom.

This is known medical knowledge, now. I will agree though that if this advice has always been Islamic teachings from Koran then Mohammad was a man of vision, because science has proved him to be correct.

But Islam does not approve or condone the use of alcohol under any circumstances for men OR women. What makes you believe that Islam is unique in this regard? Many religions dont believe in the use of alcohol. Mormons, certain Christian sects for example do not drink alcohol

So is the point you are trying to make is that pregnant women shouldnt consume alcohol because it is harmful to an unborn chiild or that alcohol itself is evil?

Common sense and moderation is what I am trying to teach and advise everyone about. Whats really evil that you could teach a child is, the American Way and the ways of this world. I do not approve of any of the operating systems that rule this planet and I have been saying so since I could talk. Alcohol when consumed in moderation is not the problem but driving while intoxicated and being drunk in public is a big problem. Capitalism and the world's free market system has a way of leading people towards escape routes and criminal activity of all kinds. I actually like the criminals more than I do those who put them behind bars and for good reasons too long to list.

[Jake99]

How can I speak for Allah?

Earth provides natural resources that can be used for healing purposes, as well as harmful purposes.

The chemicals that harm our bodies, prescription drugs that have more potency than most recreational drugs....are they beneficial to humans' health and well-being?

If however, someone is in excruciating pain, in a life-threatening situation, and such chemicals have life-saving potential, is that not also Allah "providing" for the well being of human-kind?


Inshallah.

Many things that are harmful to the well being of mankind are business as usual globally and no one travels in the wrong direction faster than the USA. Its not the recreational drugs that are the problem it is the methods of manufacturing and distribution of them in minimal harm to use form that needs to be regulated and priced and used resonably. Have you tried the electric nicotene cigaretts the same could be done with THC. Under doctors care many recreational drugs could be produced, used and distributed safely. The natural resourses of this planet are being squandered, destroyed and wasted at an alarming rate that is unsustainable. I have to place the USA in the catagory of most evil among all nations but the people from all corners living in the USA probably have the greatest potential for righting all the wrongs with great inovations, go workers and known sciences.

[Bob]

the jewish religious leaders MURDERED christ, and the so-called christians not only ignore that fact but APPLAUD IT. christians rejoice in the murder of christ, and still dare to call themselves "christians". they reinforce through each generation the lies and propaganda while ignoring what is written.

I am inclined to agree with only a small part of your assertion. Christians today only believe the parts of the bible where their percieved enemies are punished by god. All that stuff about being nice and giving away your money...that's just metaphorical. The jews did not murder jesus, they condemned him, the romans murdered him for being a king from the line of David. The romans would tolerate a certain amount of religious opposition, but a claim to kingship or political opposition would swiftly and brutally crushed in the most public of ways. We know next to nothing about the actual life of jesus and the bible is poor source material at best.

[Bob]

Alcohol purifies water. That how it came to be popular. Twas better to be drunk than dead but that's just crazy ol' Bob talking...

[tahn1000]

I am inclined to agree with only a small part of your assertion. Christians today only believe the parts of the bible where their percieved enemies are punished by god. All that stuff about being nice and giving away your money...that's just metaphorical. The jews did not murder jesus, they condemned him, the romans murdered him for being a king from the line of David. The romans would tolerate a certain amount of religious opposition, but a claim to kingship or political opposition would swiftly and brutally crushed in the most public of ways. We know next to nothing about the actual life of jesus and the bible is poor source material at best.

according to the new testament (ok, we all know nobody reads that) the jewish religious leaders (with their militia) arrested christ, trialed and beat him, took him before pilate and told him to kill christ for them, and when he failed to do that they strung him up themselves.

[Jake99]

I am inclined to agree with only a small part of your assertion. Christians today only believe the parts of the bible where their percieved enemies are punished by god. All that stuff about being nice and giving away your money...that's just metaphorical. The jews did not murder jesus, they condemned him, the romans murdered him for being a king from the line of David. The romans would tolerate a certain amount of religious opposition, but a claim to kingship or political opposition would swiftly and brutally crushed in the most public of ways. We know next to nothing about the actual life of jesus and the bible is poor source material at best.

This I tell you is true and 100% legally verifiable through the many courts and religions who attempted to nail me to a cross and actually reported to the newspapers that they had done so, but my convictions for performing intentional acts of rebellion that were so strange and unusual that no one else in all of time was more feared in court than I have been. If you put your faith and trust in me the current systems of government, product and resource distribution and banking systems will all change in a flash and you will be happy ever after, I promise. I am the actual man with the plan who has been treated like Jesus was treated by the people, chuches, religions, educators, US Marine Corps, fortune 100 businesses and all kinds of US courts all of whom I have legally asked to listen to and follow me.

The parts of the Bible I want everyone to consentrate on are of the fundamentals and my opinions. I have no intention of punishing anyone and everyone enters the kingdom of God with a clean start and a life that is fair, honest and rewarding. That which happened in yesterday land will be destroyed, forgotten and forgiven. You will give away all your money because it will be worthless and forgiven of all your sins, debts and tresspasses. The money the world will use for all transactions is weightless and incorruptible. The Jews and Christians of the USA have repeatedly like in thousands of times rejected my wisdom and at the same time guidance because my plan, opinion and solutions does not agree with any of the teachers you have been trained to believe in.

The Jews and the Roman empire (USA) have condemed and abused me until my robe was bloody many times but I dont have a scratch on me and I won every war with my tongue and a few props. Actually speaking mankind are my enemies because my mission is to make all my friends instead and I have to stop everyone wake them up and turn them 180 degrees towards doing and thinking the way I approve of.

If you follow my wake you will find heavilly documented and witnessed evidence of my claiming and proving to be the Christ and the King you are waiting for to come out of the clouds and meet you in the air. I have crushed my opposition in court so many times and in so many ways that no other person could have ever done such things and escaped everytime. Forget about the story of Jesus and look at my story because it is the same demonstration only to a much greater degree. The judicial system always tries its best not to publicise acts of protest and defiance that they cannot beat in a court of law so my works are many times hidden from public view. I mean how many men would stand in front of a courthouse that had been prosecuting him in a suit and tie with a compound bow and razor tipped arrows over his shoulder which was meant to escallate the confrontation and my objection to those who were trying to crucify me. I suggest you check all the sources of my education, background, family, up to and mainly fortune 100 employment, US Marines and over fifty court appeances many of which I was self represented if you want to see the real story of Jesus as it actually happened.

[Bob]

So, your plan is...trust me because I'm trustworthy. I thought that was Mitt Romney's plan? Oh right...special needs..I forgot. Mr. Bush, didn't you have your 8 years already? Let the others play too.
That's a hell of a plan you got there, and yet...somehow...you are confined to a mental hospital, at least now we know you're a conservative republican.

[Jake99]

so do you mean that no Jew , no Christian , no Muslim , has or had known the true God.

( if this is what you mean , i'd agree that no Muslim has known the true God)

No one has known the true God because if they did they would not act as mankind does. I am the Christ, the Restorer and I am litterally surrounded by God's enemies and its my job to make you his friends. All I have to do is wake all of you up to the truth and the way and you will be on the narrow path that I am on which leads to the kingdom of heaven on earth.

[Jake99]

the jewish religious leaders MURDERED christ, and the so-called christians not only ignore that fact but APPLAUD IT. christians rejoice in the murder of christ, and still dare to call themselves "christians". they reinforce through each generation the lies and propaganda while ignoring what is written.

This is what the roman empire full of Jews and Christians did to me as well when I announced that I am the Messiah, same reaction 2,000 years later. They would rather have me silenced than to listen to my opinion which is contrary to theirs. Christ was not sent to die for your sins he is sent to save everyone and everything. I have a much sharper tongue in courts of law than any judge or lawyer can prosecute or defend against. I play offense in court regardless of my being the defendant and I am not afraid of anyone in a war of laws, words and ways.

[Jake99]

So, your plan is...trust me because I'm trustworthy. I thought that was Mitt Romney's plan? Oh right...special needs..I forgot. Mr. Bush, didn't you have your 8 years already? Let the others play too.
That's a hell of a plan you got there, and yet...somehow...you are confined to a mental hospital, at least now we know you're a conservative republican.

My plan is all inclusive and will fix every problem mankind has at the same time and permanently. I am trustworthy and a million times more sucessful and accomplished than all of the politicians of the world combined. I am getting ready to set up, spot light and tear down a Lynard Skynard, Stevie Ray von concert all day tomorrow and then I will do the Democratic National Convention for 3 weeks starting on Monday in Charolette NC. I did Blue Man Group and a Micheal Mcdonald, Boz Scaggs show last week. I work for numerous production companies and I am the best stage hand I know of. No hospital could find anything wrong with me and I outperformed everyone I ever worked or played near. Mitt and Barack would not qualify to shine my shoes with their credentials.