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[tahn1000]

also you lied about john 5:39. not surprising, really. your type always twist christ's word to suit your own propaganda.

[palerider]

It is nice to see that there are some out there that do have some understanding

Woe trav....just stop....I've said it before and I'll say it again.....we are asked to watch and wait.....

Your penance is your diatribe...one day it will swallow you up and your penance will be complete. I would rather engage with my brothers and sisters and relish the antiquated depth in a modern existence than suffer such inane babbling.

God not Jesus gives us our creation and yet as much as you write lengthy rhetoric he does not answer your call.......

I pray each day that my own suffering is diminished, I pray each day that those I love are delivered from their own turmoil and I live the life that somehow now I regret having given up all of my wealth in serving God. Perhaps the stark reality is beyond your own comprehension but I can tell you as poor and homeless as I am that God has not delivered one prayer or hope....tell me Traveler what have you given up in following your own wisdom??

Go and serve your God...give up all that is dear to you and then come preach to me about God......when we are equal I will truly answer you....perhaps to date you have not made that journey??

[ABeginner]

also you lied about john 5:39. not surprising, really. your type always twist christ's word to suit your own propaganda.

Shalom tahn1000, you're going to have to clue me in on what I lied about. Here are multiple translations for you to compare on John 5:39, which version do you prefer, and which one shows I lied? Blessings in The Name, ABeginner.

John 5:39

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(CEV) You search the Scriptures, because you think you will find eternal life in them. The Scriptures tell about me,

(ESV) You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me,

(KJV) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

(KJV+) SearchG2045 theG3588 scriptures;G1124 forG3754 inG1722 themG846 yeG5210 thinkG1380 ye haveG2192 eternalG166 life:G2222 andG2532 theyG1565 areG1526 they which testifyG3140 ofG4012 me.G1700

(LITV) You search the Scriptures, for you think in them you have everlasting life. And they are the ones witnessing concerning Me.

(NAS77) "You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is these that bear witness of Me;

(NASB) "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;

[ABeginner]

1) quote me one passage in the bible where christ is referred to as "yeshua"
2) christ never worshiped the jewish god
3) christ said unless you are more righteous than the saducees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven <- so much for following the jewish example.

Shalom tahn1000, why don't you try to come up with something that's a little more substantial?

1) Go to this site and argue with those who believe that "Yeshua" is the Hebrew name for the English variant of "Jesus." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshua_%28name%29 Now, "Jesus" is referred to as "christ," thus, Yeshua is the Messiah/Christ. Plain and simple tahn, get over it.

2) Quick question, did Moses worship the "jewish god?"

3) Another quick question, what is the difference between a scribe, a saducee, and a pharisee?

Blessings in The Name, ABeginner.

[tahn1000]

LOL so pathetic. UNABLE to answer my questions with quotes from the biblle itself, you attempt to deflect by asking your own questions. Well according to the TORAH moses neither worshiped the jewish god, nor was he jewish. As for the use of pharisee in the bible. It was simple semantics. Those that researched the scriptures and composed the holy bible used the word pharisees because the saducees supposedly disappeared from history towards the end of the first millennium. Scribes was merely an official position. They, quite simply, kept records. However such positions would not have been entrusted to mere israelites. and ALL were descendants of aaron (ie THE JESHURUN)

[LucySmith]

LOL sopatheti. UNABLE to answer my questions with quotes from the biblle itself, you attemptto deflect by asking your own questions. Well according to the TORAH moses neither worshiped the jewish god, nor was he jewwish. As for the use of pharisee in the bible. It was simplesemantics. Thosethat researched the scriptures and composed the holy bible used the word pharisees because the saducees supposedlydisappeared from history towareds the end of the first millinea. Scribes was merely an official position. They, quite simply, keptrecords. However suchpositions would not have been entrusted to mere israelites.

wow
u off ya meds tahn 1000000 your typing looks jumbled.

OMG she is drunk,

[tahn1000]

no, she was attempting to type a response from her mobile phone. but really it's typical of you, that unable to defend your position with what is written, you must attack a person any way you can.

[LucySmith]

no, she was attempting to type a response from her mobile phone. but really it's typical of you, that unable to defend your position with what is written, you must attack a person any way you can.

excuses
excuses
lol

[Squishy]

Woe trav....just stop....I've said it before and I'll say it again.....we are asked to watch and wait.....

Your penance is your diatribe...one day it will swallow you up and your penance will be complete. I would rather engage with my brothers and sisters and relish the antiquated depth in a modern existence than suffer such inane babbling.

God not Jesus gives us our creation and yet as much as you write lengthy rhetoric he does not answer your call.......

I pray each day that my own suffering is diminished, I pray each day that those I love are delivered from their own turmoil and I live the life that somehow now I regret having given up all of my wealth in serving God. Perhaps the stark reality is beyond your own comprehension but I can tell you as poor and homeless as I am that God has not delivered one prayer or hope....tell me Traveler what have you given up in following your own wisdom??

Go and serve your God...give up all that is dear to you and then come preach to me about God......when we are equal I will truly answer you....perhaps to date you have not made that journey??

and you know his circumstances how? what do you think you're the only person in the world who struggles?

[Lillith]

wow
u off ya meds tahn 1000000 your typing looks jumbled.

OMG she is drunk,

And your excuse would be what?

[Traveler]

and you know his circumstances how? what do you think you're the only person in the world who struggles?

From the sound of it he was caught up in the divine prosperity doctrines and got royally fleeced.

But for the record God does answer my prayers. He does not stop the fires of affliction in my life but he does bring me through them and all my needs are met. I am one of those rags to riches stories but it was a case of seek the kingdom of God and his righteousness first, then these things will be added unto you. The only one getting rich in the prosperity doctrines is the preachers and they do not serve the kingdom of God but themselves.

[ABeginner]

no, she was attempting to type a response from her mobile phone. but really it's typical of you, that unable to defend your position with what is written, you must attack a person any way you can.

Shalom tahn, you know, I'm a little confused here. Lucy pointed out your bad spelling on a post and you reply back with speaking about yourself as "she" and "her." Hmm? Now, the investigator side of me tells me that maybe the demon inside your head was making excuses for you, or maybe it was the demon that can't spell and you were making excuses for it. Which one was it. Who made the original bad spelling post, you, or the demon in your head? And don't tell me that you have one of those multiple personality disorder demons, I'm not sure I could deal with more than 2 of you. Blessings in The Name, ABeginner.

[tahn1000]

LOL, another one who, unable to dispute what is written in the bible, must resort to desperate personal attacks.

[ABeginner]

LOL, another one who, unable to dispute what is written in the bible, must resort to desperate personal attacks.

Shalom tahn, I'm glad you thought it was funny. I got a kick out of it. Blessings in The Name, ABeginner.

[tahn1000]

hypocrite. you don't bless anyone. in fact you seem determined to call down demons on those that disagree with you.

[ABeginner]

hypocrite. you don't bless anyone. in fact you seem determined to call down demons on those that disagree with you.

Shalom tahn, I don't call down demons on someone, I just recognize when I see the possibility of a delusional individual having one. Tahn, I at first gave you much leeway in trying to answer your ridiculous interpretations of Scripture, but you have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you either have a demon, multiple personality disorder, or just purposely attempt to confuse and malign the Holy Scriptures. And if anyone else reading this has any doubts, just look at her http://www.armageddononline.org/foru...ighlight=judas or http://www.armageddononline.org/foru...ighlight=judas and try to fathom the depth of twisting and distorting she goes through to try to prove that Peter was the one who betrayed Jesus and then killed Judas to cover up his betrayal. Blessings in The Name, ABeginner.

[LucySmith]

tahn1000 - during your ''''??study??'''''' of the bible - did you ever come to understand this severe warning about TWISTING THE SCRIPTURES TO YOUR OWN PERIL/destruction.

as you have posted previously that you dont have a belief in a God/creator - I guess this warning shall be of no use to you - however that does not exempt you and your ignorance of the warning and judgments that follow - namely your own personal destruction.

destruction, as a descriptive word [ to me] is not appealing.
destruction, is something i wish to avoid.


ummmmm.....
as i sit in my house overlooking the beautifull pacific ocean and its 20000 mile expanse to the land in south america, it allows me to think about MY FATHER, ABBA, and His wonderfull work of creation and vast distances in the world and as i type i see the sun shining on the ocean and the gentle breeze and the warm day - all very appealing to me - so DESTRUCTION is not something i wish to distrub my day nor my whole life's routine and pleasantness in my life abundant.

so I FIND OUT all i can on BIBLE revelation and seek my answers SO I AM NEVER PLACED in the line up called ''marked for destruction''.

but you are in the DESTRUCTION LINE UP. YOUR NAME IS ON THE LIST.... like some criminal you have been TAGGED for destruction as a bible twister.

so - as a participant in destruction - what does this mean exactly.?
what is your future and destiny as a DESTRUCT-EE.

WORD defination of destruction.

the state or fact of being destroyed
: ruin
: the action or process of destroying something
: a destroying agency

already this is happening to you as your mind is being ruined, but what else happens as you go about your day with - destruction ever present - and ruin is ever present.
so as you wait for the finale of destruction to complete its work in you - where shall you end up - the result of ruin and destruction.

DESTRUCTION

de-struk'-shun: In the King James Version this word translates over 30 Hebrew words in the Old Testament, and 4 words in the New Testament.
Of these the most interesting, as having a technical sense, is 'abhaddon (from verb 'abhadh, "to be lost," "to perish"). It is found 6 times in the Wisdom Literature, and nowhere else in the Old Testament; compare Rev 9:11.
See ABADDON.
http://www.bible-history.com/isbe/D/DESTRUCTION/

digging deeper....

ABADDON

a-bad'-on ('abhaddon, "ruin," "perdition," "destruction"):
Though "destruction" is commonly used in translating 'abhaddon, the stem idea is intransitive rather than passive--the idea of perishing, going to ruin, being in a ruined state, rather than that of being ruined, being destroyed.
The word occurs six times in the Old Testament, always as a place name in the sense in which Sheol is a place name. It denotes, in certain aspects, the world of the dead as constructed in the Hebrew imagination.
It is a common mistake to understand such expressions in a too mechanical way.
Like ourselves, the men of the earlier ages had to use picture language when they spoke of the conditions that existed after death, however their picturing of the matter may have differed from ours. In three instances Abaddon is parallel with Sheol (Job 26:6; Prov 15:11; 27:20). In one instance it is parallel with death, in one with the grave and in the remaining instance the parallel phrase is "root out all mine increase" (Job 28:22; Ps 88:11; Job 31:12).
In this last passage the place idea comes nearer to vanishing in an abstract conception than in the other passages.
Abaddon belongs to the realm of the mysterious.
Only God understands it (Job 26:6; Prov 15:11).

It is the world of the dead in its utterly dismal, destructive, dreadful aspect, not in those more cheerful aspects in which activities are conceived of as in progress there. In Abaddon there are no declarations of God's lovingkindness (Ps 88:11).
In a slight degree the Old Testament presentations personalize Abaddon.
It is a synonym for insatiableness (Prov 27:20).
It has possibilities of information mediate between those of "all living" and those of God (Job 28:22).
In the New Testament the word occurs once (Rev 9:11), the personalization becoming sharp.
Abaddon is here not the world of the dead, but the angel who reigns over it.
The Greek equivalent of his name is given as Apollyon. Under this name Bunyan presents him in the Pilgrim's Progress, and Christendom has doubtless been more interested in this presentation of the matter than in any other.
In some treatments Abaddon is connected with the evil spirit Asmodeus of Tobit (e.g. 3:8), and with the destroyer mentioned in The Wisdom of Solomon (18:25; compare 22), and through these with a large body of rabbinical folklore; but these efforts are simply groundless.
See APOLLYON.
Willis J. Beecher

Bibliography Information
Orr, James, M.A., D.D. General Editor. "Definition for 'ABADDON'". "International Standard Bible Encyclopedia". bible-history.com - ISBE; 1915.

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Online Bible (KJV)
Naves Topical Bible
Smith's Bible Dictionary
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Fausset's Bible Dictionary
Hitchcock's Bible Dictionary

note well....
ofcourse this warning also relates to those who preach as a Judaizer - they too are not exempt from destruction.

2 pet 3 v 16

''As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction''.

so why not re-consider your future, now that would be adult, mature, and wise.

Even those Judiazers could benefit too and become DEPROGRAMMED from deranged and unanointed teachers of unholy creeds who crept into their lives and RUINED them in so many ways.

[tahn1000]

Only liars "interpret"the bible, which is why I only quote scripture word for word.

[LucySmith]

tahn1000 - during your ''''??study??'''''' of the bible - did you ever come to understand this severe warning about TWISTING THE SCRIPTURES TO YOUR OWN PERIL/destruction.

as you have posted previously that you dont have a belief in a God/creator - I guess this warning shall be of no use to you - however that does not exempt you and your ignorance of the warning and judgments that follow - namely your own personal destruction.

destruction, as a descriptive word [ to me] is not appealing.
destruction, is something i wish to avoid.


ummmmm.....
as i sit in my house overlooking the beautifull pacific ocean and its 20000 mile expanse to the land in south america, it allows me to think about MY FATHER, ABBA, and His wonderfull work of creation and vast distances in the world and as i type i see the sun shining on the ocean and the gentle breeze and the warm day - all very appealing to me - so DESTRUCTION is not something i wish to distrub my day nor my whole life's routine and pleasantness in my life abundant.

so I FIND OUT all i can on BIBLE revelation and seek my answers SO I AM NEVER PLACED in the line up called ''marked for destruction''.

but you are in the DESTRUCTION LINE UP. YOUR NAME IS ON THE LIST.... like some criminal you have been TAGGED for destruction as a bible twister.

so - as a participant in destruction - what does this mean exactly.?
what is your future and destiny as a DESTRUCT-EE.

WORD defination of destruction.


already this is happening to you as your mind is being ruined, but what else happens as you go about your day with - destruction ever present - and ruin is ever present.
so as you wait for the finale of destruction to complete its work in you - where shall you end up - the result of ruin and destruction.




note well....
ofcourse this warning also relates to those who preach as a Judaizer - they too are not exempt from destruction.

2 pet 3 v 16


so why not re-consider your future, now that would be adult, mature, and wise.

Even those Judiazers could benefit too and become DEPROGRAMMED from deranged and unanointed teachers of unholy creeds who crept into their lives and RUINED them in so many ways.

well regardless of your personal opinion Tahn1000, your destruction is EVER PRESENT....and there NO turning back for a re-run.
you have 1 chance here , and if you mess it up and fail THE LIFE TESTS - zappo!!!!
INTO YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE time.

- Jesus said OF JUDAS '' that man would wish he had never been born''.

[LucySmith]

cont.... just to add info so you will understand your plight Tahn1000....

ofcourse you may LIE to yourself, but a believer in the Ekklesia of the Lord - sees thru your bluff and sees those invisible demonic pals who pull your strings and manifest out their religious madness in you.
you have been EXPOSED.

it is a shame girl a real shame to see you so manipulated by evil and destruction.

BTW
I wish to point out your ignorance does not make you EXEMPT from destruction.
Infact Father says ''THEY HAVE NO EXCUSE'' for even NATURE reflects HIS Glory.
therefore Tahn1000 your ignorance is murdering you.

now ofcourse you will not equate yourself with Judas, the betrayer and those Judiazers, [who twist the NT into practicing parts of the law to the jews as well a faith and grace a hybrid mixture] will not either.


but u see Judas, the disciple, gets a special mention as a SELF SERVING THIEF

you see Tahn1ooo, when you twist scriptures YOU THIEVE/ROB the gospel of ITS POWER AND MANIFESTATIONS of transformation into life abundant. YOU STOP THE FLOW OF TRUTH AND ROB GOD of His glory and victory.

YOU FRACTURE the divine atmosphere of LIFE AND LIFE ABUNDANT [john 10 v 10] so it is made void in you and for others who would read what u post - you stole THE TRUTH OF THE gospel of true LIFE and made it NO account.


NOW, for doing this, BETRAYAL - of divinity and its message - YOU enter into your worst nightmare never to be released from it.
why?
because you twisted the gospel and stole away TRUE LIFE - you are destroyed and will wish you were never born. YOU BETRAYED THE GOSPEL.
now ofcourse you are not alone, millions have STOLE AND ROBBED THE LORD as '' the disciple Judas'' - the betrayer is not 1 man but many- down thru the ages ''JUDAS'' LIVETH AND PROSPERED as a religious SELF SERVING enitity.


the self serving robber Judas is alive and well, IN ALL CREEDS and destruction is ever present - to take these poor souls into their worst nightmares.

alas. THE WARNING is not given a a joke ........
hell hath No fury........

[tahn1000]

blah blah blah.... move on folks, nothing new from lucysmith here.

[tahn1000]

and how do you explain this, lucysmith?


(26) jesus answered, he it is, to whom i shall give a sop, when i have dipped it. and when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to judas iscariot, the son of simon. (27) and after the sop satan entered into him. then said jesus unto him, that thou doest, do quickly. (28) now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this to him. (29) for some of them thought, because judas had the bag, that jesus had said unto him, buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor. (30) he then having received the sop went immediately out; and it was night.

even today, "sop" also means gift or conciliatory bribe according to the dictionary. jesus GAVE judas the SOP. jesus GAVE judas the bag of coins. same thing. judas didn't betray christ. it was christ that gave him the bag of coins TO TAKE TO THE JEWISH RELIGIOUS LEADERS!

HERE IS WHERE JESUS SHOWS HIS BETRAYER UP...

john 13:4 (4) he riseth from the supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself. (5) after he poureth water inot a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded. (6) then cometh he to simon peter: and peter saith unto him, lord, dost thou wipe my feet? (7) jesus answered and said unto him, what i do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter. (8) peter said unto him, thou shalt never wash my feet. jesus answered and said unto him, if i wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.

(9) simon peter said unto him, lord, not only my feet, but also my hands and my head. (10) jesus saith to him, he that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all. (11) for he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, ye are not all clean.

now, there are two "peters" mentioned - one which refused to allow christ to wash his feet, and one which begged that not only his feet, but his head and hands. two peters - peter the saducee; and simon bar-jona (son of john, mathew 16:17) who for the sake of creating confusion and disguising peter the saducee's part in the drama was "renamed" simon peter by the jewish authorities in control of the authoring of the bibles. but what christ was doing by this act of washing his disciples' feet was pointing out who the true traitor was in a way he hoped would remain regardless of the lies and deceptions of the jews. and that traitor was PETER, not simon peter, but the other peter - peter the saducee.

[Lillith]

Shalom tahn, I don't call down demons on someone, I just recognize when I see the possibility of a delusional individual having one. Tahn, I at first gave you much leeway in trying to answer your ridiculous interpretations of Scripture, but you have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you either have a demon, multiple personality disorder, or just purposely attempt to confuse and malign the Holy Scriptures. And if anyone else reading this has any doubts, just look at her http://www.armageddononline.org/foru...ighlight=judas or http://www.armageddononline.org/foru...ighlight=judas and try to fathom the depth of twisting and distorting she goes through to try to prove that Peter was the one who betrayed Jesus and then killed Judas to cover up his betrayal. Blessings in The Name, ABeginner.

this, from the shalom christian who claims to be a (is actually a wannabe) "hebrew" and teams up with his otherwise foe lucy, when it suits his purpose.

Thats when they arent calling each other out as phonys or delusional liars in need of meds.

[Lillith]

cont.... just to add info so you will understand your plight Tahn1000....

ofcourse you may LIE to yourself, but a believer in the Ekklesia of the Lord - sees thru your bluff and sees those invisible demonic pals who pull your strings and manifest out their religious madness in you.
you have been EXPOSED.

it is a shame girl a real shame to see you so manipulated by evil and destruction.

BTW
I wish to point out your ignorance does not make you EXEMPT from destruction.
Infact Father says ''THEY HAVE NO EXCUSE'' for even NATURE reflects HIS Glory.
therefore Tahn1000 your ignorance is murdering you.

now ofcourse you will not equate yourself with Judas, the betrayer and those Judiazers, [who twist the NT into practicing parts of the law to the jews as well a faith and grace a hybrid mixture] will not either.


but u see Judas, the disciple, gets a special mention as a SELF SERVING THIEF

you see Tahn1ooo, when you twist scriptures YOU THIEVE/ROB the gospel of ITS POWER AND MANIFESTATIONS of transformation into life abundant. YOU STOP THE FLOW OF TRUTH AND ROB GOD of His glory and victory.

YOU FRACTURE the divine atmosphere of LIFE AND LIFE ABUNDANT [john 10 v 10] so it is made void in you and for others who would read what u post - you stole THE TRUTH OF THE gospel of true LIFE and made it NO account.


NOW, for doing this, BETRAYAL - of divinity and its message - YOU enter into your worst nightmare never to be released from it.
why?
because you twisted the gospel and stole away TRUE LIFE - you are destroyed and will wish you were never born. YOU BETRAYED THE GOSPEL.
now ofcourse you are not alone, millions have STOLE AND ROBBED THE LORD as '' the disciple Judas'' - the betrayer is not 1 man but many- down thru the ages ''JUDAS'' LIVETH AND PROSPERED as a religious SELF SERVING enitity.


the self serving robber Judas is alive and well, IN ALL CREEDS and destruction is ever present - to take these poor souls into their worst nightmares.

alas. THE WARNING is not given a a joke ........
hell hath No fury........

this, AND this http://armageddononline.org/forums/t...hurch-IS-DYING from the i know not what it actually pretends to be other than a person who is under the warped delusion that she is going to live forever as a mortal, so terrified of death is she, that she dispises everything and everyone, blesses none and for all intent and purposes curses all.


YOU ARE ALL FULL OF CRAP PARROT HYPOCRITES. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ANY OF YOU IS THE FLAVOR OF THE SAUCE YOU USE AS GARNISH FOR THE CRAP YOU PUT ON THE TABLE.

[LucySmith]

this, AND this http://armageddononline.org/forums/t...hurch-IS-DYING from the i know not what it actually pretends to be other than a person who is under the warped delusion that she is going to live forever as a mortal, so terrified of death is she, that she dispises everything and everyone, blesses none and for all intent and purposes curses all.


YOU ARE ALL FULL OF CRAP PARROT HYPOCRITES. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ANY OF YOU IS THE FLAVOR OF THE SAUCE YOU USE AS GARNISH FOR THE CRAP YOU PUT ON THE TABLE.

nope lilly you are on the OUTSIDE looking in.
as a demonic mythical evil queen of all abominations as your avatar LILLITH implies - how would you know THE TRUTH on LIFE ABUNDANT.
you could only ever agree with unbiblical twaddle - and live a life destined to be destroyed.
it is a shame you dwell in such darkness.

but hey - you whinge but still readmy post.

perhaps there is hope????? and you will realise it is not so wonderfull to be destroyed and live inside your worst nightmare.

imagine, sitting there in your little house, surrounded by your little things, going shopping, watching tele, going out - then wham suddenly destruction.
- wham - there u are knowing your now trapped in the MOST TERRIBLE AWEFULL UNBELIEVABLE place of horror and u will never leave it.

you cannot even revile me and tiddle tat on me - but you can think forever of being outside the circle of life and then CURSE your ignorant choices forever.