a "what if"/end times scenario with a time limit

[tahn1000]

a lot of people seem to look forward to armageddon - the end to all, but it's all so vague and .... "exciting". so lets put a time limit on it. and a specific set of circumstances.

what would you do if you knew the world only had 40 years left. 40 years before not just all humanity but all sentient mortal life in the universe will be killed. every single being in the whole universe - but ONLY the sentient life, everything else would remain. and not by some imaginary god but by the legendary abaddon, the archangel king of sheol himself. and not in obedience to some "god" or "gods" mortals invented but simply because of the growing disgust he had for mortals playing god over other mortals (whether they believed in some "supreme being" or not). what if his loathing for their ambition to callously rule over the fate, lives and very souls of others became more than he could bear. and you know when he will strike against all. so does everyone else.

no weapon will stop him, and there is no "god" to impede him.

would you change your ways? do you think your government would? what would it take if everyone in the universe knew he was coming to make them stop and take stock of the consequences of their actions, and change their paths before it is too late?

[Cherisa]

They would keep doing the same old shit..

[TC]

They would keep doing the same old shit..

Quite right. If you parked Noah's Ark in Times square tomorrow, it wouldn't change a damn thing, people would do the same shit as yesterday...

[Bob]

We've managed to destroy every God we've had to battle with so far. Shiva...gone, Isis and her family...gone, Zeus, Thor, Loki, dust in the wind. Jehovah,satan, moses and jesus, currently getting their asses kicked. They all show up and talk tough, but they get sent home in defeat. I'm not afraid of the king of hell...I've been to Buffalo and Detroit...he don't scare me.

[nephilim]

The Sun itself is our simple and straightforward indication of the end. Based on what I could surmise from the various accounts of eschatology (end of time theologies), this is one of the strongest points across the board. Mankind is on the verge of a better way of life. One form of life must pass away, and another form life will take root. Its perfectly ok to look forward to armageddon, armageddon can be a revival of the description and expression of love, the universe called "faith" has intended for mankind.

To accommodate the low degree of humanity, many nations report, and which has become accepted and profitable among many specific divisions of the people by creed or otherwise. We do see contemporary societies distance from the notion that judgement is good, and adversity is good, as a result from the judgment plan that is associated with the universe. We then see the next stage of this philosophy, and this is the idea that mankind must be killed off, rather than face the reality of its destiny of change.

The Phrase, "Your thoughts and ideas die with you", is generally true by degree for anyone. And when you view larger sets of people that are apart of the problem, those that want the destruction of mankind, then the phrase then becomes, "Their Evil Thoughts and Ideas Die with Them". We must be observant, and attempt to understand the things we do not by nature. This also means accepting the notion that only when "Evil People and their Evil Ideas" are removed from mankind, only then can we move forward.

I came up with a few intrepretations which set the timetable relative to the activity of the sun, at LEO, or otherwise in 2012. Since we are now in LEO, this is a good time to begin to be grateful for the little we have, and to be grateful for the changes that will make mankind a better being, and life a better place to life, which can only result through the action of "Judgement, and Adversity", these can be very beneficial for man, and this is what the end of time is about. If you choose to believe the end is for the benefit of man.

a lot of people seem to look forward to armageddon - the end to all, but it's all so vague and .... "exciting". so lets put a time limit on it. and a specific set of circumstances.

would you change your ways? do you think your government would? what would it take if everyone in the universe knew he was coming to make them stop and take stock of the consequences of their actions, and change their paths before it is too late?

The Governments of the earth and the Nations, do not have a choice about the changes that will be done, and armageddon, not if, but when it happens. I think that in a perfect judgement, the lack of cooperation by government, a nation, or any particular group of people, should be seen as negligible. In a perfect judgement their lack of cooperation, should be the basis of further removing portions of their population as a threat, by their actions, for the portion of the population that is benefiting by the design of the law. I also believe the design limits the amount of immediate death, in the sense that if the sun should fall into the earth, then 99% and not 100% of the population should die. In otherwords there is an intelligent design taking place, for the things and elements that we do not understand, and many of us choose to remain biased against.

There are a few tried and true realities about the human experience, similar groups of people behave similarly in the same given situations.

[tahn1000]

the scenario is that ALL sentient life dies throughout the ENTIRE UNIVERSE. not a portion. and that everyone, in the entire universe, knows it's coming (40 years from now), they know it's abaddon, and they know he's unstoppable.

[Lillith]

Quite right. If you parked Noah's Ark in Times square tomorrow, it wouldn't change a damn thing, people would do the same shit as yesterday...

True, but Disney wouldnt miss the opportunity to turn it into a tourist attraction an build another replica at all their other theme parks.. Micky D's would start including little toy Arks in their Happy Meals. The Trinity Broadcasting channels and their affiliate partner preachers would start selling tours, and little "blessed" Arks guaranteed to bring material prosperity and miraculous cures to their Sunday morning mob audiences.

The Fundi and other denominations would start fighting with each other over whether Times Square is now perhaps the new chosen Holy Land. New Yorkers would mostly likely claim they are the new "chosen" people of God. lol

Thats what they would do.......................

[TC]

Yup..lol...same shit again.

[nephilim]

These are the only SEVEN Plates by Nostradamus, with devout celestial descriptions that have both a reference to the "Galactic Alignment Wheel", and Corresponding Ribbon Patterns.

Top Row Right to Left:
Plate 67, Plate 66, Plate 69, Plate 68
Bottom Row Right to Left:
Plate 70, Plate 71, Plate 72

Nostradamus appears to use the symbol of PISCES to indicate when the Shift that beings the BLACK SUN will take place within, the Constellation of LEO, that ends in the sterilization in VIRGO.

Pisces: March 11-April 18. = 38 Days
Leo: Aug. 10-Sept. 16. = 37 Days

The BLACK SUN AND STERILIZATION is projected to take place within 1 EARTH DAY. At the End of constellation LEO, according to Nostradamus.

Plate 69, the Plate with the naked women, this is VIRGO, she has a RIBBON shaped like Constellation LEO, on one hand and a moon of darkness in another. She represents a transition, and below this plate, The Little Book is Opened, according to the law, the SUN is being passed away, by the passage of "star Nibiru", the Mayan Symbol for god, as we have indicated by a precious discussion (the plate below 69 is 71.

Plates 71 and 70 on the bottom center, and right, compare the state of the Universe, in this context, the "star Nibiru" or gateway, is more of a "Photon Belt" in Plate 70 to the far left. Nostradamus is going from right to left. The rest of the symbols and the interpretation of we have revealed in our previous discussions.

............It is easy to fall into sin, when your position is not based on irrefutable fact, the relationship of faith, and the observance of the state of man and the judgement. It will be very easy, to forget the significance and value of human life, and the future of mankind that is reinforced by the universe, because of this truth, to help mankind for the greater good. If you choose to persist in rejecting the value of human life, and this can be seen, in the value that some assign to human life at the very end of time. And as a result of the unexplained, it will be very easy for some to follow after the nothing, the to be forgotten, until they are taken away.

The relationship that is being removed from mankind has days left to its life, but you must be weary, the nuclear weapons must be poised, and the authorities alerted, especially around positions of the public trust that work with, children, the elderly, and people in vulnerable positions. That can make very easy targets, for the sole purpose of escalating a situation, for the short stay and limited numbers of days this relationship has left to plague mankind.


Thanks for the Responses.............This is just another perspective, you must keep watch, and to encourage the reader to respond (the relationship that is being removed, and the people in society that sympathize with them are also a threat, to society, but to a lesser degree, the church and the heads of state, should be considered a threat to society until they indicate otherwise as a result of this truth, this is something the relationship that is being given the opportunity must reconcile, the rest of you written in, I will only say you are encouraged to give up your lives peacefully as a result of their sin, the example I've set first and foremost, secondly you must help when you are able, the portion going to the new earth) (you can survive the limited numbers of days you have with this relationship and the physical and psychological abuse, as i've also demonstrated)

[The Realist]

I'd say someone is off their meds.

[The Realist]

These are the only SEVEN Plates by Nostradamus, with devout celestial descriptions that have both a reference to the "Galactic Alignment Wheel", and Corresponding Ribbon Patterns.

Those were NOT created by Nostradamus.

[tahn1000]

nephilim can you keep your little sermons off this thread. this is a doomsday scenario, not another opportunity for you to push the divinity of a precious few.

[nephilim]

the scenario is that ALL sentient life dies throughout the ENTIRE UNIVERSE. not a portion. and that everyone, in the entire universe, knows it's coming (40 years from now), they know it's abaddon, and they know he's unstoppable.

This is a discussion. I am not debating your position, I am offering another position, that gives clear evidence to the possibility that the extermination of mankind at the end of time, is not the only possible conclusion.

You have made an accusation, but I am presenting information that is on topic. I've represented a "timelimit". Nonetheless, I believe I have made my point for the benefit of the reader.

Thanks for your Responses.............However dubious they may be.

[tahn1000]

particularly as the so-called lost plates are recorded as being drawn by his son.

"There is a letter by Cèsar de Nostredame (Michel's first son), written to the French scientist Fabri de Peiresc, in which mention is made of several miniatures painted by Cèsar, and of a booklet that was destined as a gift to King Louis XIII in 1629,[7] but there is no evidence whatsoever of any connection between these and the Vaticinia." however this particular volume ended up in the hands of the vatican over 50 years after nostradmus's death, and it is already well known that his son caesar added to his prophesies. (quoted from wikipedia.org)

[tahn1000]

This is a discussion. I am not debating your position, I am offering another position, that gives clear evidence to the possibility that the extermination of mankind at the end of time, is not the only possible conclusion.

You have made an accusation, but I am presenting information that is on topic. I've represented a "timelimit". Nonetheless, I believe I have made my point for the benefit of the reader.

Thanks for your Responses.............However dubious they may be.

this is a scenario thread, with specific conditions in place. not a thread for your version of "discussion".

[Bob]

Sorry, I don't mean to be a jack-ass here, although there is ample evidence that I have a gift for it, BUT... his senario is less nutty than yours. A god who cannot be defeated but has to take the bus (40 years) to get here is just asking to much, even for a web site where a common belief that GEE-sus is coming back, any day now, to give exxon-mobil the tax credits it needs to stay profitable, is the order of the day. Your senario is unworkable. If however, the impossible did happen, nothing would change because we're not the least bit scared of gods.

[tahn1000]

bob, clearly (in the case of this scenario) if everyone KNEW that he would deliver swift judgement in 40 years, then they were warned, and presumably(?) or not, as is the question asked, had the time to change their ways and avoid death. as for abaddon, he is identified in babyonian mythology as being the spirit king, not a god.

[nephilim]

particularly as the so-called lost plates are recorded as being drawn by his son.

A postscript by Carthusian librarians states that the book had been presented by one Brother Beroaldus to cardinal Maffeo Barberini, who would later become Pope Urban VIII (1623–1644). A further covering note suggests that the images were by the French seer Nostradamus (1503–1566), and had been sent to Rome by his son César de Nostredame as a gift. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaticinia_Nostradami

You misquoted wikipedia, as it clearly says the evidence points to Nostradamus, this includes the handwriting evidence for the inscriptions at the beginning of the Lost Book Illustration. Nostradamus had a contemporary:

Michel de Nostredame (Nostradamus) - 1503-1566
Ursula Southeil (Mother Shipton) - 1488–1561

She describes a few of Nostradamus's Lost Plates, in her Poetry, and there is no evidence, these descriptions were written by Nostradamus, I've talked about this some time ago in the thread titled The Wisdom of Mother Shipton.

this is a scenario thread, with specific conditions in place. not a thread for your version of "discussion".

Let me put it this way, i've suggested the end will begin in about 40 days, as opposed to 40 years (Constellation Leo is about 37 Days), and i've suggested that life will go on, as opposed to being evaporated. I made two small changes that mirror your senario, but i've only given one example for the benefit of the reader, and to encourage them to respond as i've indicated.

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Notes about the Law of Newlife - We must keep watch, the dementia and disorientation as we described it for a greater period and thus an absolute cause for armageddon, will for the second time, be ascribed to a likely lesser length of time. This means, when the rainbow beings, the people should be instructed to reduce their driving speed and be alert of their surroundings. The Cause of death from the initial shift period of the rainbow and blacksun, is becoming negligible, for those not being sterilized. Disorientation and Dementia will only be momentary at best for the portion of the population not being sterilized. (this is a different form of what you indicate as the death of man, but not the degree you ascribe)


Thanks for the REsponses...................I wanted to say 40 years, you mention resembles the 40 years of the Exodus in the Wilderness, but we are at the end of time, and this period of 40 years is cut to 40 days, and this is cut to a moment within 1 day, a day. This is the end of time.........(part of the enemy of man was broken up as a gift to the nations from the universe, as a response to this truth, however late this truth may be)

[AnneOminous]

tahn,

Isn't your scenarion essentially what athiests believe already? That they die and everything ceases for them?

They believe this and go about their lives, business as usual. What would it matter? If it was on a universal scale, rather than personal, what difference would it make?

Why would humanity change, knowing the end was coming with, or without change? More people might call in sick. Other than that, why change a thing?

[tahn1000]

why is it assumed that atheists don't believe in the soul and reincarnation? ever heard of buddhism? and no, i am not a buddhist but my spiritual understanding is similar. sorry to disappoint you atheists can just as easily believe in the spiritual, the soul, ghosts and creatures of spirit despite their assertion that there is no such thing as a "god".

[tahn1000]

and at my death, everything does cease for me (according to nature) because it is the soul that goes on an the "i" that i am now won't be the same next time. as in the soul won't ever be this person again, but be born as someone/something different.

[AnneOminous]

why is it assumed that atheists don't believe in the soul and reincarnation? ever heard of buddhism? and no, i am not a buddhist but my spiritual understanding is similar. sorry to disappoint you atheists can just as easily believe in the spiritual, the soul, ghosts and creatures of spirit despite their assertion that there is no such thing as a "god".

You are quite right, and it was an error on my part to lump all atheists together in one pot in the same way you lump all Christians together in one pot. I should have been more specific and said that "some" atheists-- new atheists, like Dawkins for example, don't believe in the existence of a soul, or anything at all that endures after the moment of death. Rather, these believe that the brain simply experiences life in its fullness while we are alive, and that (as in the scenario you propose) when life ceases, the chemical reactions in the brain also ceases, and after that there is nothing... No soul, no spirit, no more.

And knowing this as they insist they do, they live their lives as atheists in comfort and without consequence or angst toward what happens afterwards. Without consideration or thought of it, because "they believe" nothing exists beyond what they experience at this moment we call life. That's why I suggested asking them.

What do you think would change, given the scenario you suggest? What are your thoughts on it?

[tahn1000]

no, you were not "suggesting that i ask them", you were using my thread to rant against atheists. so why don't you read the scenario and answer that instead?

If it was on a universal scale, rather than personal, what difference would it make?

because in the proposed scenario it IS ON A UNIVERSAL SCALE that all sentient life will end.

[AnneOminous]

Maybe you could quote my "rant." I asked a series of questions of you, for clarification. Are you new at this "discussion" thing? Asking questions is a good way to engage someone.

But since you seem a little inept at having a conversation, I'll indulge you and answer your questions though you sidestepped every one of mine...

1. what would you do if you knew the world only had 40 years left.

--I wouldn't let it bother me. Like you, I believe I have body, soul and spirit, and while one may cease, the other continues.

2. would you change your ways?

--No. I ain't afraid of no ghosts.

3. do you think your government would?

--No. As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the end of the age.

4. what would it take if everyone in the universe knew he was coming to make them stop and take stock of the consequences of their actions, and change their paths before it is too late?

--This is kind of a different scenario. In your original premise you stated that the world only had 40 years left. 40 years before not just all humanity but all sentient mortal life in the universe will be killed. every single being in the whole universe. This is much different, when you suggest that the previously stipulated conditions and consequences can be avoided, by one changing their ways. It becomes like Moses and the Egyptians, where Moses knows that the Angel of Death-- the Destroyer is coming, and he forewarns Pharaoh, telling him to change his ways bu is repeatedly rebuffed. Those willing to listen paint their doorposts with the blood of the lamb as instructed by the prophet, and thereby avoid annihilation. So what would it take for humanity to avoid a repeat? --- A miracle. Even though miracles had little effect in the past (vis a vis Pharaoh and the Egyptians) but I can't see anything changing absent of miracles.

So now....

What do YOU think about it tahn?

[tahn1000]

i stipulated quite clearly and in more than one post that in this scenario EVERYONE IN THE UNIVERSE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN IN 40 YEARS TIME. so no need for miracles or prophets or any other warnings required.

however, thanks for trying.