Heres what the truth gets you

**~~Death Rattle~~** · Nov 30th, 2004 12:31 PM

http://www.suntimes.com/output/laney...t-laney29.html
This is what liberals will do to anyone who trys to do whats right.

**~~Death Rattle~~** · Nov 30th, 2004 2:10 PM

What no comments from the peanut gallery. Figures.

**CELL** · Nov 30th, 2004 5:36 PM

good...thats what he gets for trying to turn a hero into a monster

**angel** · Nov 30th, 2004 7:51 PM

Interesting story DR but I bet you can find a similar story for the otherside. Not to discount Mr Gardners account but there were 12 men on that swift boat 9 agreed with Kerry, 1 didn't and 1 is not talking. You can read what you want into the last two but the bottom line is the 9 that stood beside him could have gained more had they crossed over to the oppositon. Mr Gardner also gives an account of an incident where he was the hero, it may or maynot have happened but if you don't talk about something for 35 years you think you might embellish some of the story?

And I believe maybe even Kerry's account of what happened to him is partly embellished because men do love their FISH stories. But if they are all lies and he got medals because of it does that mean that our military can't be trusted to properly award medals to deserving soldiers? Should we request that the military go and investigate more thoroughly everybody that received a medal.

Do we all agree that Kerry was actually there? Even he had never earned a medal and cryed the entire time he was there he still deserves to be respected. Any man that volunteers for a war deserves to be respected. I think Kerry had enough pull to be stationed with Bush(if he could have firgured out where that was).

The election is over Bush won, why are you beating a dead horse? I don't know how old you are but volunteer to go to Iraq and then come back and write about it. Give us your account and then ask one of your comrades to give his account and lets see how it differs.

**humanhybrid** · Nov 30th, 2004 8:58 PM

Yes the election is over! And by the way just how far did a republican go to win an election that was very questionable? Your right, no farther than his brother for help. good day! Mr.peanut whos hanging out at the gallery.

***dutchie*** · Dec 1st, 2004 2:25 AM

Originally Posted by angel

The election is over Bush won, why are you beating a dead horse? I don't know how old you are but volunteer to go to Iraq and then come back and write about it. Give us your account and then ask one of your comrades to give his account and lets see how it differs.

FYI, Death Rattle is 15. Ahhh, 15 - that blissful age.. You still have to get some pussy, and your arms are twice as thick from jerking off; cigarettes make you puke, and so does one glass of beer... I'm getting all melancholical here...

The TRUTH... You wouldn't notice it when it sat on your face and wriggled, Death Rattle..

**~~Death Rattle~~** · Dec 2nd, 2004 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by dutchie

FYI, Death Rattle is 15. Ahhh, 15 - that blissful age.. You still have to get some pussy, and your arms are twice as thick from jerking off; cigarettes make you puke, and so does one glass of beer... I'm getting all melancholical here...

The TRUTH... You wouldn't notice it when it sat on your face and wriggled, Death Rattle..

You really got a thing for teenage boys don't ya Dutch.

Don't beleive everything you read.

**~~Death Rattle~~** · Dec 2nd, 2004 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by humanhybrid

Yes the election is over! And by the way just how far did a republican go to win an election that was very questionable? Your right, no farther than his brother for help. good day! Mr.peanut whos hanging out at the gallery.

H.H. I am simply giving a link to a true news story. What proof is there that jeb helped his brother win the elction. I said Good Day!

***substand*** · Dec 2nd, 2004 6:02 PM

What no comments from the peanut gallery. Figures.

I thought you put them on your ignore list?

and whats wrong with 15 you all? I'm only 15, does that make my opinions any less valid?

**Keeblergiant** · Dec 2nd, 2004 7:45 PM

Yeah...what's wrong with 15!? Haha naw, I got what you're saying Dutch...

***dutchie*** · Dec 3rd, 2004 3:06 AM

Just for the record: I have NOTHING against 15 year old kids, in fact some of those posting here are of that age and even less and I respect them highly. My remark was just meant in a sort of TIC way. It's just THIS teenager...

Irritating how a post loses its sparkle when you have to explain it...

Death Rattle, your innuendo just makes me want to puke over your shoes.

***Bigsky770*** · Dec 3rd, 2004 4:25 AM

. . .Though best as I can, I will try. I would advise you to take this in the spirit that it is intended, not as one who is reprimanding you for some insolance on your part whereas you may feel the need to express yourself and proclaim for all to hear: "I am HERE! and I have a wicked-cool name to boot"! To us, this matters little.
. . .Those of us within this "Forum" whom I call "friend" I do not do so lightly; many of them I have personal messaged with during various parts and pieces of their lives, and I have come to know and cherish them. The older of us have DONE and BEEN so-many things to so-many people, at times it can feel as though the weight of the world can be upon ones shoulders, but we share still, this is what drives us onward. To my PARTICULAR way of thinking, it is a part of my 'becoming'. And what is in my becoming, you may ask? Something greater/though as I happen to believe and hold fast to the ideologies encapsulated within reincarnation, I believe this unfailingly.
. . .Those you communicate with here/many of which have done and been so-many things, indeed, many of them have FORGOTTEN more than YOU KNOW up to this particular point in time; Please, understand. I was once where YOU ARE NOW. When I was 17, NO-ONE could tell me ANYTHING. I was THAT certain I KNEW. By the time I was 25, I learned how little I actually KNEW. By the time I reached my present age, (44) There are times I am juggling so-many variables within my mind, I now understand how little I ACTUALLY KNOW. I want you to know that I have hopes that one-day you will reach my age, though given the present state of world affairs hope can sometimes dwindle to a nothingness that can only be perceived when you should witness the darker sides of what 'humanity' has left to offer.

With HOPE, there will be a day when YOU will become as many of US.
Is that a "good" (or) a "bad" thing? In the end, YOU will be the JUDGE.

Joe (Bigsky770)

***substand*** · Dec 3rd, 2004 12:28 PM

sorry dutchie... i was just playing around. i thought your post was brilliant, and you didn't really need to 'splain it.

MD: I was just joking. I'm not 15 (but I suspect you know that). I'm whatever age will make my opinions most valid to each member.

***DontBeAfraid*** · Dec 3rd, 2004 2:11 PM

Your opinions that differ from mine have no validity.... Sorry, thats just the way it is.

**Skippy** · Dec 3rd, 2004 4:19 PM

The whole Swift Boat thing gave me the sense that Kerry was throwing the election intentionally. With all the shit going on in the US and the world, how the presidential campaign got hung up on stuff that happened 35 years ago was not something I could understand.

***substand*** · Dec 5th, 2004 5:19 PM

Originally Posted by DontBeAfraid

Your opinions that differ from mine have no validity.... Sorry, thats just the way it is.

ok Death Rattle....

=)

***substand*** · Dec 5th, 2004 5:20 PM

how the presidential campaign got hung up on stuff that happened 35 years ago was not something I could understand.

I think it was because Kerry refused to define himself in any other terms.

***dutchie*** · Dec 6th, 2004 1:19 AM

In another 4 years it won't matter anyway. If Harpo Marx runs for the presidency for the democrats then he'll get 75%, even with free foot deodorant as his single political spearhead.

Bets anyone?

***Bigsky770*** · Dec 6th, 2004 2:10 AM

. . .I was always more partial to Groucho Marx. Perfect combination of wit and whimsy, with more than a dash of tongue-in-cheek. Besides, the honking horn always got on my nerves anyway. . .

Joe (Bigsky770)

***dutchie*** · Dec 6th, 2004 2:26 AM

He's clearly too republican to fit my post...

**Dead Man Walking** · Dec 6th, 2004 8:03 AM

Republican??? What Party do you adhere to? Comedienne?

**~~Death Rattle~~** · Dec 6th, 2004 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by DontBeAfraid

Your opinions that differ from mine have no validity.... Sorry, thats just the way it is.

Thats just arrogant. I have to be carefull not to hurt anyones feelings or i might be banned by dutchie. But i guess you can keep calling me names if you want.

***Bigsky770*** · Dec 6th, 2004 11:45 AM

. . .You can attack an OPINION, Example: "Your opinion (or) what you say is invalid/asinine" Just not the PERSON Example: "You're a MORONIC ASSHOLE".
. . .If feelings should be hurt by the FORMER as opposed to the LATTER than, "Oh well", Don't look for us to make a move (or) step-in. Here, "Freedom of Speech" is cherished and we try to offer as much possible latitude as we can in debating and arguements betwixt and between participants. However, there are those occasions whereas we must step-in when the LATTER is apparent and we must apply discipline. K?

Be my guest, though it should become one also to be able to state WHY you believe an opinion to be invalid/asinine, with as much force with PROVABLE evidence, (i.e. statistical data, links, poll info., yah know) as you can muster to do this effectively, ALTHOUGH it's not an absolute prerequisite/just makes you a "better" combatant and you can exit the debate as the winner, (to your satisfaction, anywho)

Joe (Bigsky770)

***DontBeAfraid*** · Dec 6th, 2004 4:30 PM

DR that comment was in jest.... And it was to subs... who then took a shot at you.

***Marajadex*** · Dec 6th, 2004 11:26 PM

Ah... The folly of it all. I just wish we had a legitimate 3rd party to have chosen from for this election. Now we and the world are stuck with a leader who is not liked by 50% of the country he supposedly leads and is not liked by a good part of the world. He can truly be called "The Great Divider" for he has sure divided this country. And.. well... isn't there a saying that states "A house divided cannot stand"?