Show Me a Great Thinker and I Will Show You a Servant of God!

***Godsgifttomankind*** · Dec 27th, 2004 4:38 PM

The great thinkers through history have all been faithful believers in the one True God.

I was checking through the Book of Life recently and found the names of numerous great postulators including,

Pythagoras who did his studies during the time of Solomon
Hippocrates
Socrates
Plato

All these men shared a great bond their connection to the Great I AM.

His Faithful Servant

David.

**Keeblergiant** · Dec 27th, 2004 10:51 PM

No one you mentioned was Jewish/Christian/Muslim. In fact, Pythagoras even had his own religion centered around mathematics. Oh, thy one true God.

**Wednesday** · Dec 28th, 2004 12:48 AM

the jewish/christian god predates both the hebrew and christian faiths

if god is the creator spirit, then it makes sense that he would also communicate with the persons in this list

no matter how we misinterpret god, it would still be the same entity

**Edge** · Dec 28th, 2004 1:32 AM

Originally Posted by Wednesday

the jewish/christian god predates both the hebrew and christian faiths

Assumption.

Originally Posted by Wednesday

if god is the creator spirit, then it makes sense that he would also communicate with the persons in this list

No it doesn't. If this god was the creator spirit (another assumption) it does not mean that it would comunicate with its creations it does not mean that it would feel a desire or need to comunicate, interact or even pay attention to what it had made. In short thats another big assumption on your part right there.

Originally Posted by Wednesday

no matter how we misinterpret god, it would still be the same entity

There are several assumptions with this statement. Below are several questions, whilst some may be exagerations, pointless and down right silly they are all possible to some extent. These questions however serve a purpose which is to demonstrate how weak the above statement as well as the original post and that of Wednesday's.

What if there are multiple different gods?

What if this reality is just a sevre case of schizophrenier in one being or in the collective minds of a single race that are linked by some form of genetic memory bank?

What if your making vague statements in an attempt to sound like a scholar or someone who is steeped in philosphy but has no real arguement to back up his loose ended statements apart from a bunch of cyclic arguements used frequently by people as young as twelve on the internet?

What if there are two seperate entities i.e. a god and a creator spirit?

What if no one here has a clue about what their discussing?

What if the idea of a all powerful immortal being was made up to begin with?

What if the previous statement could be proved/disproved beyond all doubt?

What if this is just another version of The Truman Show?

etc.

**Wednesday** · Dec 28th, 2004 1:43 AM

Originally Posted by Edge

Assumption.

Fact.
the text that defines the christian faith is the bible

this text clearly states that god existed before anything else

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Originally Posted by edge

No it doesn't.

thats why i said if, guess you missed that in your haste to be insulting

***40oz*** · Dec 28th, 2004 2:25 AM

Unfortunately, that is just the way it is here. Get used to it Wednesday. This is a great site to read allot of interesting things. However, when ppl choose to voice their personal beliefs in GOD it is like wearing a bullseye on your back. Take my advice and don't give your self over to the frustration and headache that some of these morons will surly create. Been there, Done that.

**Wednesday** · Dec 28th, 2004 2:31 AM

ah dont worry about me, i just send em back to the books

im confident that the material can stand on its own

after all, god doesnt really need a promoter and im not don king

just read the book, kids

like the lady said...free your mind and the rest will follow

**Skippy** · Dec 28th, 2004 8:16 AM

Edge said.....

What if there are multiple different gods?

---then you would be a Hindu.

What if this reality is just a sevre case of schizophrenier in one being or in the collective minds of a single race that are linked by some form of genetic memory bank?

----then you would be a scientist from the 40s and 50s.

What if your making vague statements in an attempt to sound like a scholar or someone who is steeped in philosphy but has no real arguement to back up his loose ended statements apart from a bunch of cyclic arguements used frequently by people as young as twelve on the internet?

----then you would be any other person posting on AO

What if there are two seperate entities i.e. a god and a creator spirit?

---then you would be a Gnostic.

What if no one here has a clue about what their discussing?

---then you would be a typical internet poster.

What if the idea of a all powerful immortal being was made up to begin with?

---then you would be an Atheist.

What if the previous statement could be proved/disproved beyond all doubt?

---then you would be God.

What if this is just another version of The Truman Show?

---then you would know more than me because I haven't the faintest clue what the Truman Show is.

And Wednesday said....

"just read the book, kids"

That should be books. Do not limit yourself to only one book because then you will be as ignoarant as the person sitting beside you. The Christian Bible is not complete, it is only a primer for those who really seek the Truth. It's a great tome for those who would choose to lead their life as a sheeple taking direction for the next televangelist, but understadning the Christ message takes more than just flipping some pages looking for context to bolster an idea that popped into one's head.

A really good hint to observe is that any who rely on the Book of Revelations in interpreting the Christ message, or anyone even mentioning it, can be conned into believing anything you tell them. Let that be your litmus test.

**Wednesday** · Dec 28th, 2004 9:20 AM

Originally Posted by Skippy

A really good hint to observe is that any who rely on the Book of Revelations in interpreting the Christ message, or anyone even mentioning it, can be conned into believing anything you tell them. Let that be your litmus test.

what cult are you a part of? got a problem with the book of revelations?

spill it...lets hear your argument

**Keeblergiant** · Dec 28th, 2004 9:47 AM

the jewish/christian god predates both the hebrew and christian faiths

if god is the creator spirit, then it makes sense that he would also communicate with the persons in this list

If he communicated with them, don't you think that they would be inclined to believe in him? Yet they still weren't followers of Him. And why would it "make sense" that he would talk to them?

no matter how we misinterpret god, it would still be the same entity

Not at all. In fact, the bible says that we shouldn't worship false deities. If they are all same, then why would we need such a rule?

**Wednesday** · Dec 28th, 2004 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Keeblergiant

If he communicated with them, don't you think that they would be inclined to believe in him? Yet they still weren't followers of Him. And why would it "make sense" that he would talk to them?

i dont necessarily make that conclusion, coming into contact with this entity would be framed in the context of your personal understanding

whatever that happened to be, right or wrong

Not at all. In fact, the bible says that we shouldn't worship false deities. If they are all same, then why would we need such a rule?

agreed, there are plenty of false dieties

im only referring to the creator spirit

**Keeblergiant** · Dec 28th, 2004 10:52 AM

i dont necessarily make that conclusion, coming into contact with this entity would be framed in the context of your personal understanding

But you can make the conclusion that the Creator spoke to them?

agreed, there are plenty of false dieties

im only referring to the creator spirit

Then what does your statement that "no matter how we misinterpret god, it would still be the same entity" have to do with anything? They weren't believers in the Judeo-Christian God, so they would therefore worship a false deity. No misinterpetations there.

**Wednesday** · Dec 28th, 2004 11:09 AM

you seem to think that no one can have an experience that they dont "believe" in

what EXACTLY is your point?

that you are unable to have an experience outside the realm of your beliefs?

**Wednesday** · Dec 28th, 2004 11:35 AM

it also stands that humans are largely fearful of things they dont understand

this could explain why some ppl feel the need to control others and limit free discussion

to dismiss something simply because it is out of the realm of ones own experience, is the lowest form of ignorance

**Keeblergiant** · Dec 28th, 2004 11:38 AM

you seem to think that no one can have an experience that they dont "believe" in

That's exactly my point. The didn't share a great bond with Him, because they didn't even believe in him.

**Wednesday** · Dec 28th, 2004 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Keeblergiant

That's exactly my point. The didn't share a great bond with Him, because they didn't even believe in him.

i have no idea if they had a bond with him lol

i stated it was possible

you should try Ex-Lax

**Wednesday** · Dec 28th, 2004 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by mickydoolittle

It's the internet oh bright one, how much more free of a medium do you think you deserve?

i recognize that youre trying to get my attention micky

so hello and whats your story?

are you irish?

**Skippy** · Dec 28th, 2004 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Wednesday

what cult are you a part of? got a problem with the book of revelations?

spill it...lets hear your argument

I don't have any problem with it per se, I think of it in the same terms as I would Dante's Inferno....period sci-fi/thriller material with as much basis in reality as anything David Cronenberg could produce.

Now let's see if you can give me its authority. Once you have shown me where Christ has given the Book of Revelations any authority, which you cannot. Then I will easily show you where you have erred. I have already done so.

**Wednesday** · Dec 28th, 2004 12:14 PM

i have zero interest in arguing with you guys

i dont care if you go to hell or not, hows that lol

however, there might be someone with a legitimate question and i MIGHT have an answer that they are looking for

youre obviously not looking for anything but a debate and well, im just not all that interested in you posers

its up for everyone to decide for themselves if they accept the text or not, im not here to debate that

i do have a fairly good knowledge of the text, and i seem to have a good memory when it comes to recalling it

ill continue to share that until they ban me

**Wednesday** · Dec 28th, 2004 12:20 PM

oh hell who am i kidding

youd have to put a bullet in my head to shut me up

**Wednesday** · Dec 28th, 2004 12:34 PM

haha thanks micky

**Skippy** · Dec 28th, 2004 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Wednesday

i have zero interest in arguing with you guys

i dont care if you go to hell or not, hows that lol

however, there might be someone with a legitimate question and i MIGHT have an answer that they are looking for

youre obviously not looking for anything but a debate and well, im just not all that interested in you posers

its up for everyone to decide for themselves if they accept the text or not, im not here to debate that

i do have a fairly good knowledge of the text, and i seem to have a good memory when it comes to recalling it

ill continue to share that until they ban me

Ergo, you cannot show where the Book of Revelations derives its authority. One can only assume that you believe in this work of imagination because someone standing on the other side of a pulpit told you to believe in it, in fact, fear it while passing around the collection plate.

Who exactly is the poser here? For someone who believes so strongly in the Book of Revelations, it should be very easy to demonstrate its authority since you have such a "fairly good" knowledge of the text.

Going to hell? Who? When? Where? Please explain to this poser where a benevolent God who is ALL FORGIVING condemns anyone to this place of mythology.

***Godsgifttomankind*** · Dec 28th, 2004 1:05 PM

Originally Posted by Edge

No it doesn't. If this god was the creator spirit (another assumption) it does not mean that it would comunicate with its creations it does not mean that it would feel a desire or need to comunicate, interact or even pay attention to what it had made. In short thats another big assumption on your part right there.

The existence of a creator can be proven using various means of logic, which I would be more than glad to do for you.
Anything that is created is created for a purpose, to fill a specific need.
When you understand the purpose of our creation then communication by and with the creator becomes clearly understood.

What if there are multiple different gods?

The understanding of multiple gods is something created by the imaginations of men and is the exact problem presented by every scriptural text that has ever been presented.

What if this reality is just a sevre case of schizophrenier in one being or in the collective minds of a single race that are linked by some form of genetic memory bank?

While your implecations could be argued with great logic and reason the question still remains what is the purpose?

What if your making vague statements in an attempt to sound like a scholar or someone who is steeped in philosphy but has no real arguement to back up his loose ended statements apart from a bunch of cyclic arguements used frequently by people as young as twelve on the internet?

The arguments that I present are very much cyclical in nature, for the very errors that you have been speaking of have been perpetrated against mankind so many times that you, nor I could ever attempt to count the number of times. It is human nature to separate themselves from others and believe that their understanding of the world is far superior to that of the people around them. It is through humility and listening that we all have the opportunity to come to a greater understanding of the world around us.

What if there are two seperate entities i.e. a god and a creator spirit?

There are many names given to God but wisdom, understanding and creation all come from one single source.

What if no one here has a clue about what their discussing?

It could be argued that all of us individually know very little about anything but it is places like this that people can meet to share their understandings and grow in their wisdom.

What if the idea of a all powerful immortal being was made up to begin with?

Time is the revealer of all Truth!

What if the previous statement could be proved/disproved beyond all doubt?

What is it that causes each one of us to search after the truth? The Truth can be found it is just a matter of each of us examining the evidence to come to the understanding. The world around us shows us that evidence exists to understand anything that has happened in the past and it is just a matter of time till the majority reaches a consencus of understanding. It is easy to believe in something that is understood by the majority but what about when clear evidence is given to you and the majority is agianst you, it takes real faith to stand up to the odds of such force. All the greatest thinkers have been placed in this position and proven their loyalty by staying true to what they understood even though everyone was willing to do away with them for their understandings.

What if this is just another version of The Truman Show?

The Truman Show could be used as just such an example of the masses trying to make someone believe, what in fact was not the reality of the world. On a grand scale there are people watching that know the truth and there are those that wish to impart their own understanding of the world, when it comes down to the truth it is each individuals responsibility to know and understand what the truth is for it is the truth that is the reward and the absence of it that promotes ignorance and darkness.

His Faithful Servant

David.

**Wednesday** · Dec 28th, 2004 1:14 PM

Originally Posted by Skippy

One can only assume that you believe in this work of imagination because someone standing on the other side of a pulpit told you to believe in it, in fact, fear it while passing around the collection plate.

very interesting, tell us more skippy

what exactly are you afraid of?

**Skippy** · Dec 28th, 2004 1:27 PM

Originally Posted by Wednesday

very interesting, tell us more skippy

what exactly are you afraid of?

Who said I was afraid of anything. You are the one who quoted the Book of Revelations. You asked me to post an argument, and I did by posting a challenge to you. It seems like rather than prove your assertion, you have chosen to hide your lack of response with sillyness, and by calling others posers.

It's always quite easy for "born agains"to go around reciting their Sunday lessons, but it's quite another thing to actually understand them and their origins. The Book of Revelations is a perfect example of that. I have yet to see anyone who believes in that work be able to prove its authority any easier than they could prove the authority of 1984 as a religious prophecy.