ESP (extra sensory perception)

**bloop87** · Dec 28th, 2004 7:31 PM

Does anyone really think that ESP is possible? Do you believe anyone has telekinetic powers and can read other people's minds and stuff? Apparently the Soviets tried to hone this ability. Right now, I am kind of a skeptic, however, it would be interesting to have ESP, although at the same time creepy. Anyone have any thoughts on it? Thank you.

http://www.rvscience.com/rvbk/bk2.htm

**Coolio** · Dec 28th, 2004 9:33 PM

It would be cool, you could know if you are liked by people or not.

**Wednesday** · Dec 28th, 2004 10:57 PM

that link seems to be about crystal magic, i do not have interest in magic items

Extra Sensory Perception is just that, using the senses to perceive more than normal

note of interest: my 2 siblings and i were on the same competitive swim team, during a race my sister had some difficulty and started drowning

simultaneously, from opposite sides of the pool, my brother and i hit the water to save her

neither of us saw the race or were especially paying attention to her, but her distress triggered a sub conscious reaction in us both and we responded in an identical manner

my sister said she knew we were coming

interesting

**Coolio** · Dec 29th, 2004 12:23 AM

Also woman intuition, or when a mother feels something bad happend to her son/daughter.

**ALIENTheorist** · Dec 29th, 2004 12:31 PM

ESP in my opinion is possible as I've seen it happen I know some people who somewhat heve these skills

**marglarg** · Jan 4th, 2005 6:37 PM

Originally Posted by Wednesday

Extra Sensory Perception is just that, using the senses to perceive more than normal

It is interesting that you define ESP as such ... You may have seen a number of stories regarding the recent tsunami disaster and how the animals located near the sites in question, seemed to have a uncanny sense that something bad was going to happen. I guess animals DO posses some sort of ESP, which begs the question, did we as humans once have it, or maybe we still do but it only surfaces in a select few?

One particular story comes to mind:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0%2C210...4560%2C00.html

***RavenWhitefang*** · Jan 4th, 2005 7:06 PM

As a human animal using so little of our brains now, with so much distraction in our lives, we cannot recieve the signals that we probably once recieved. This likely stems from the types of communication systems and power systems we have put up over the past hundred years or so. Or people just dont care, if its not scientific, it doesnt count. So any latent form of this, doesnt manefest itself in the person because it is not nurtured. We all get these signals, some are more sensitive than others in recieving them.

**ALIENTheorist** · Jan 8th, 2005 1:53 PM

I also find that sometimes there is an evolutionary reason for why some get it. and I am tending to look towards another theory maybe atlantis did exist and the only few survivors went to live in another country and after a while these sensing abilities have gone down. Therefore only people from that nationality have these.

**Keeblergiant** · Jan 8th, 2005 2:34 PM

I also find that sometimes there is an evolutionary reason for why some get it.

And what would this evolutionary reason be? Surely having ESP doesn't increase an organisms fitness that much...and that's assuming that ESP is a genetic trait. Is it genetic? Can you give me the location of the gene, or atleast some rudimentary proof that ESP is, in fact, genetic?

***Bigsky770*** · Jan 8th, 2005 9:24 PM

. . .Though there MAY be another explanation I'll check into later, (but I had heard once long-time ago) that an elephants' ability to perceive and communicate 'sound' works at frequencies FAR LOWER than that which we humans use. (I had heard that THIS is the ability that enables an elephant to 'know' of the presence of another elephant as much as 50+ miles AWAY). Correct me if I am wrong, but also possibly? Whales? Was there not a story very recently about whales that were beaching themselves in Australia, which was close to the epicenter of the 'great quake?' We need to study this possible link more closely, methinks. . .

. . .Could it be that these abilities caused them to be able to 'detect' the 'sounds' associated with oncoming major earthquake activity?

Mindboggling, and something that needs further study. . .

Joe (Bigsky770)

**Dead Man Walking** · Jan 9th, 2005 12:55 AM

The Thread Starter, Bloop87, popped a site up that is akin to ESP but different altogether, "RV" stands for Remote Viewing and is a practiced form of insight. Extra Sensory Perception is a gift we all have in varying degrees. ESP is not necessarily about seeing that which has not ocurred but about the moments just before and during an event horizon. It is a heightened sensual awareness of an event and it may have some foundation in our biological makeup. I say May have, as some minds dispute its existance at all. Most ocurrances involve [in a casual sense] our family members as there is something that we are tuned into with our biological connections. Other forms manifest themselves as an intuition on a much larger scale. ESP is not predicting the future as much as it is about knowing of an event as it is about to happen or as it happens.
It is known that an Elephants feet pick up vibrations from the Earth on a very minute scale, and they could have felt the vibrations of the quake, or they may have felt the wave as it raced across the oceans bottom upon its approach at more than 400mph. Regardless of the reason they became aware, they knew of the impending catastrophie, and raced to their escape. For an animal of such a primal nature, their reaction was purely instinctive.

**ALIENTheorist** · Jan 9th, 2005 10:56 AM

keebler giant I am not a biological engineer I just have that theory since by coincidence all the people which I know that are ALIEN's (just a name read my quote for the definition) these people seem to have antcestors which come from the same country which is france and also the ones which have a stronger ESP have more recent antcestors from this country and the ones with a not as developped ESP have earlier ancestors.
of course I am not saying that it is the only country i just found that bizare that most ALIEN's which I know have ancestors from the same country.
and evolution doesn't mean that they will be stronger but that they might be able to prevent a bad thing from happening to them, those are the powers of an ESP right see what others don't and see the future.

***prezhorusin04*** · Jan 9th, 2005 11:15 AM

I think that genetics is only one factor out of many that plays into potential ESP/Mind over Matter..Perhaps "soul frequency", attitude, and overall willpower are other factors among many..?

Inner Harmony? The ability to focus? Even environment could factor in on a persons ability to pick up psychic resonance.

**marglarg** · Jan 9th, 2005 5:26 PM

Originally Posted by Bigsky770

. . .Though there MAY be another explanation I'll check into later, (but I had heard once long-time ago) that an elephants' ability to perceive and communicate 'sound' works at frequencies FAR LOWER than that which we humans use. (I had heard that THIS is the ability that enables an elephant to 'know' of the presence of another elephant as much as 50+ miles AWAY). Correct me if I am wrong, but also possibly? Whales? Was there not a story very recently about whales that were beaching themselves in Australia, which was close to the epicenter of the 'great quake?' We need to study this possible link more closely, methinks. . .

. . .Could it be that these abilities caused them to be able to 'detect' the 'sounds' associated with oncoming major earthquake activity?

Mindboggling, and something that needs further study. . .

Joe (Bigsky770)

JoeB

There's probably a quite a few animals that have these types hightened senses(bats and dolphins with sonar ability comes to mind). It was along these lines that I suggested this story, in that Wednesday defined ESP as just a case of :

"Extra Sensory Perception is just that, using the senses to perceive more than normal"

ie. not some hocus pocus type paranormal ability which is what I think most people commonly associate it with.

Re the whales, I do remember that happening recently and they did seem to think it was because of the earthquake activity in the region(very sad that so many died). I often hear how Navy exercises which utilise very low frequencies is thought to effect or even kill whales aswell.

But you are right JoeB, there are probably numerous animals out there with some uncanny abilities. I wonder if there are any sites out there that list these hey ?

It just sux that us mere humans don't have much at all in the way of hightened senses and I wonder if we ever did ... :(

**Hvyarms** · Jan 10th, 2005 6:43 PM

And what would this evolutionary reason be? Surely having ESP doesn't increase an organisms fitness that much...and that's assuming that ESP is a genetic trait. Is it genetic? Can you give me the location of the gene, or atleast some rudimentary proof that ESP is, in fact, genetic?

Evolutionary traits dont have to increase an organism's survival rate. We see that with people who pass on late-term genetic diseases where they already reproduced and passed on their bloodline before they themselves realized they had the disorder.

Saying that, if he knew the location of the gene or had proof it existed, we would have some actual physical PROOF and this thread would not be presented like a question as it has been presented.

It is entirely possible as stated above that lower wavelengths of sound or even ENERGY could be how these signals are sent. Also since our brain interprets electronic impulses, these types of signals could be how other people read them. There are COUNTLESS possibilities about this type of phenominon and unfortunately we don't have a way to figure out how to decode human messages in different wave frequencies(if they exist) yet. We have a LOT to learn about our own brains before we could actually successfully read these things in my opinion.

On that note, with electrical-brain-chips they have already invented and tested in monkeys they have moved arms hundreds of miles away using their mind and "wavelengths" over the internet. It is very possible that tour brains can act as a electronic-modem that manipulates wave space around us and acts as its own wireless "internet" for our own biological energy. The brain could sends out these messages and others brains could interprets them on their own through some level.

In fact, when you think about it this may be why biologically-related people have this phenominon happen to them. They share certain genes so their wavelengths might be similar. Think of it like a walky-talky. Maybe related-people all listen to signals on channel 15, while other people listen to signals on channel 2839283. Rather than 30 or something channels there would be infinate due to slight variations of frequencies. Today's technology with the brain-chips btw would probably allow communication by thought alone if two people both had the brain chips and were using the net, and we were able to know where to insert the signals into their linguistic part of their brain.

If we can re-create the phenominon using technology there is nothing to say that some natural form of energy might not already be doing the same thing in its own separate way.

Is it possible? Yes. Is it probable? Who knows.

**ALIENTheorist** · Jan 16th, 2005 10:26 PM

Hvyarms that's very interesting... I just really don't like the idea of brain chips it just makes it so unatural anyways maybe it is wave type / length... or genetic I which I could have proof that it is genetic but I'm not a scientist... well one that's another thing that I'll get my group to research on right now we've got like 3 things ahead of us BIG things but it's all coming...

**repentantsinner** · Jan 19th, 2005 2:34 PM

ESP? sure it exists. In the year 2001 somebody latched on to me who was telepathic and could remote view. I dont have to explain those, every body knows what they mean don't they? But you dont REALLY meet someone who can do that. Not really. Strangely enough it was 1 month after i swore alligence to the egyptian goddess Isis. Could she have been an angel?

**MoonlapseV** · Jan 19th, 2005 6:15 PM

there is definitely a possibility of ESP being true. I see no reason for it not be, there are so many compelling cases ive heard in my life. Telekinesis (ability to move objects with mind) on the other hand is something that anybody can do. Its all about focus, willpower, and desire...something like that. Iv'e only been practicing TK for about a month, but because of practice, i can already roll a pencil across a desk using TK. I wish i had a video camera or computer camera thingy because i would love to show you guys, but until i get one i cant. i think i will get one soon though and as soon as i do ill get a video of it.

**Keeblergiant** · Jan 19th, 2005 6:50 PM

these people seem to have antcestors which come from the same country which is france

Which isn't suprising seeing as how you live in Canada. That's like me doing a study and only using black people as my sample, and then concluding that this trait must be genetic because everyone I studied had ancestors in Africa. No shit.

Evolutionary traits dont have to increase an organism's survival rate. We see that with people who pass on late-term genetic diseases where they already reproduced and passed on their bloodline before they themselves realized they had the disorder.

Yes, but with a few rare exceptions (like degenerative diseases, as you've mentioned) natural selection tends to weed out traits that lower an organisms fitness. And besides, what you've said is irrelevant, because there are alot of "cases" (I use that term loosely, because I'm not a big believer in this paranormal crap) in which ESP affects children. Surely if it lowered ones fitness during pre-pubescent stages than it will eventually die out as a trait.

Saying that, if he knew the location of the gene or had proof it existed, we would have some actual physical PROOF and this thread would not be presented like a question as it has been presented.

Yes, but he said he found that there is an evolutionary reason behind ESP. Those words alone imply that he knows this to be true, and proof is a pre-requisite to this kind of knowledge.

It is entirely possible as stated above that lower wavelengths of sound or even ENERGY could be how these signals are sent. Also since our brain interprets electronic impulses, these types of signals could be how other people read them. There are COUNTLESS possibilities about this type of phenominon and unfortunately we don't have a way to figure out how to decode human messages in different wave frequencies(if they exist) yet. We have a LOT to learn about our own brains before we could actually successfully read these things in my opinion.

Utter crap. If this was truly the case than we would have some sort of receptors capable of recieving this information, which isn't the case. Our ears aren't capable of picking up sound frequencies below our absolute threshold (unless you want to disregard known science, which you creationists seem to have a knack for), and the same thing goes for our eyes and EM waves. And until you can point me to this magical receptor which has seemingly evaded science for hundreds of years, you're just tossing our gibberish.

On that note, with electrical-brain-chips they have already invented and tested in monkeys they have moved arms hundreds of miles away using their mind and "wavelengths" over the internet. It is very possible that tour brains can act as a electronic-modem that manipulates wave space around us and acts as its own wireless "internet" for our own biological energy. The brain could sends out these messages and others brains could interprets them on their own through some level.

Yeah, and we've done this with amputees as well...but I don't see your point (oh, and you don't seem to understand what a wavelength is, but I'll let that go). As for the rest of what you've described, that would be a measurable effect (yes, believe it or not we've been able to detect EM fields for a few centuries now), yet we haven't detected anything like you've described. Hhhhmmm, I wonder why? You can't just spout of random crap like that and expect any intelligent person to believe it. I mean, it's even obvious from your explanation that you don't understand how these "electrical-brain-chips" (and they aren't actually "brain-chips", but I'll let that slide as well) work. The detect synaptic firing in the part of your spinal cord that correlates to the body part you are attempting to move, we don't send out "biological energy" (which, I might add, also shows that you don't understand bioenergetics either) that manipulates any "wave space" (what the hell is a wave space? Are you referring to the EM field? This is the type of crap that comes out when you don't know what you're talking about).

In fact, when you think about it this may be why biologically-related people have this phenominon happen to them.

You're completely overlooking the "nurture" aspect of things here.

They share certain genes so their wavelengths might be similar.

HAHAHAHA. No. Shut up.

Think of it like a walky-talky. Maybe related-people all listen to signals on channel 15, while other people listen to signals on channel 2839283.

Walky-talkies require something to send and recieve information...what do you propose sends and receives these ESP signals?

Is it possible? Yes. Is it probable? Who knows.

Is it possible? No. Is it probable? Hell, it's not even possible.

well one that's another thing that I'll get my group to research on right now we've got like 3 things ahead of us BIG things but it's all coming...

Quit talking about your research group. What is it? What are you working on? Is any of it worthwhile? Is any of it science? Come on.

ESP? sure it exists. In the year 2001 somebody latched on to me who was telepathic and could remote view. I dont have to explain those, every body knows what they mean don't they? But you dont REALLY meet someone who can do that. Not really. Strangely enough it was 1 month after i swore alligence to the egyptian goddess Isis. Could she have been an angel?

HAHAHA...yeah, my fairy God mother gave me the power of clairevoyance as well.

**ALIENTheorist** · Jan 19th, 2005 9:48 PM

ouch keeblergiant no offence but this is harsh! if you don't believe it's fine but could you please try to be respective of others I'm sorry I have to be the one telling you this btw really I am.

anyways Canada is one of the most vastly populated countries in the world so that's why I find this information to be relevent. i have done some research and this is based on science nature history and the bible. We do not need to antenaes or somethign of the sort as our brain can already send a type of electrical signal. This though I will not talk about because I am not sure how it works all I know is that unless all the people on these forums which had events occur to them and my friends and I are all insane is that it's possible and it has been preformed before. and ok I'll shut up about my group. and umm yes the natural ways that I've seen it happen is by evolution. of course their might be other reasons why it is happening that is just what I am seeing. My experience and the experiance of my friends is my proof to this.

**Keeblergiant** · Jan 20th, 2005 12:31 PM

ouch keeblergiant no offence but this is harsh! if you don't believe it's fine but could you please try to be respective of others I'm sorry I have to be the one telling you this btw really I am.

Of course it's harsh, that's how it was supposed to be. All of this imaginary fairy tale shit that GGTM is making up really pisses me off. Really, if you're just going to make shit up about "wave spaces" and "electrical-brain-chips" you just shouldn't make a reply at all. If you're going to believe in ESP it's fine, but don't sit around and make up shit to support your opinion. Fallacy just hurts your opinion, it does nothing to help it.

anyways Canada is one of the most vastly populated countries in the world so that's why I find this information to be relevent.

The whole country being diverse doesn't do anything to change the sample space.

i have done some research and this is based on science nature history and the bible.

Then can you give me some information about your research? Have a you written a paper about it? Can I get the abstract, or maybe a thesis or something? What results did you find? Are there any confounding variables? Are your results statistically significant? Did you even bother to check? I don't think you understand what you're talking about. And besides, why are you using the bible? How has the bible helped you in your "research" on the heredity of ESP?

We do not need to antenaes or somethign of the sort as our brain can already send a type of electrical signal.

I didn't say anything about "antenaes," I mentioned receptors. Big difference. And besides, how does your brain send these electrical signals? How does it receive them? How come we can't detect these EM fields that our brain uses to transmit ESP signals? Is it magic?

This though I will not talk about because I am not sure how it works all I know is that unless all the people on these forums which had events occur to them and my friends and I are all insane is that it's possible and it has been preformed before.

It's not insanity, it's interpretation.

and ok I'll shut up about my group.

Eh, I didn't mean it like that. I got carried away...you can talk about your group all that you want. Sorry.

and umm yes the natural ways that I've seen it happen is by evolution.

Wow! You've witnessed this evolution? Damn, you have to be atleast a few hundred, if not thousand, years old. It takes a while for a gene to propogate throughout a population, especially a population with such large time gaps inbetween generations like ours. Anyways, I'd like more information on how you know that this is evolution.

My experience and the experiance of my friends is my proof to this.

No, it's not. Please, tell me about your psychic powers.

**Havoc Angel** · Jan 20th, 2005 2:21 PM

Well, let's see. The human body does radiate a electromagnetic field. Sharks can detect that (and we look like injured fish when we swim *yummy*) and i use it every day when i light the neon lamp in my bathroom as the ignition is old and failing and i need to touch it to induce enough current to ignite it. So if the electromagnetic field one radiates interferes with the body and nervous system of another person that other person, when sensitive enough, could recognize the interference caused in his own nervous signals and learn to interpret them. With enough exercise that person could learn to be aware of the presence of other people or animals by sensing the disturbances caused by their electromagnetic field without having the sensed with the usually senses beforehand.
That ability would have definitely been a advantage in early times when you are able to detect a predator that other people limited to their 'normal' senses would not detect. This would mean that this ability *could* be somewhere within our genes as the basic genetic prerequisites for this ability were inherited by the offspring of this variety with a greater survivability.
The reason why this ability does no longer develope much could be all those electronic devices around us which generate some kind of electromagnetic white noise, deafening this sense.
So much speculation from my side. enjoy!

**Keeblergiant** · Jan 20th, 2005 6:09 PM

The human body does radiate a electromagnetic field.

No one said it didn't. What it doesn't radiate is an EM field that somehow encodes our thoughts.

With enough exercise that person could learn to be aware of the presence of other people or animals by sensing the disturbances caused by their electromagnetic field without having the sensed with the usually senses beforehand.

Our eyes detect EM waves. You wouldn't be able to sense someone before hand because that would require that they be within our site for our eyes to detect them.

The reason why this ability does no longer develope much could be all those electronic devices around us which generate some kind of electromagnetic white noise, deafening this sense.

No kidding. Everything that emits light emits EM waves. I don't know what you're talking about "white" noise for, as there is no "white" section of the EM spectrum, but pretty much everything emits EM waves.

**Havoc Angel** · Jan 20th, 2005 7:47 PM

Ah, keebler, you apparently missed that i was talking about the electromagnetic field (and accordingly the electromagnetic waves caused by the change of current) generated by the currents flowing through our nervous system and accordingly the electromagnetic waves caused by the change of current. I *do* know that the visible light is also a electromagnetic wave as is the ultraviolet, microwaves, etc. Obviously you are either unable or unwilling to think through my statement and investigate the logical connection in my arguments. Please read through my last post again and then think. Keep in mind that with 'interfering with the magnetic field of another person' i meant the induction of electrical currents into a conductive material such as our nervous system. Thank you very much.

**ALIENTheorist** · Jan 21st, 2005 8:51 AM

just a quick response...
I know people who got an ESP after they had big issues this is a quick evolution and it is one that happens in an individual person. I would give information about my research but it is dangerous to divolge information freely on forums which can be read by anyone. Therefore I have agreed to the non-interfearence law, and by doing this I can't say more than I already have in these forums sorry.