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Feb 14th, 2005 7:00 AM #1
November's presidential elections made some people wonder if there aren't really two different versions of the U.S. I sometimes wonder myself. Keep in mind, I'm not pointing fingers or mentioning democrats or republicans or what have you. On the one hand you have people who are truly decent, who are altruistic, will gladly die for their friends, are compassionate and do their best to help the rest of the world, are open-minded, open to new experiences and new ways of thinking, accepting of other people's way of doing things, and morally mature. These are people who are concerned about making sure that everyone is treated equally and fairly; after all, we're all still human, regardless of race, gender, etc.
And on the other hand, you have the exact opposite. You have people who are not only shamefully ignorant, but proud of it! People who are vindictive and blood-thirsty, who wave the word "patriotism" around as a new way of saying "we're the best country on earth, and we'll shoot anybody who says otherwise." People who are not so much concerned about the well-being of others as they are about always being right. These are the people who would discriminate against those of other countries and even fellow Americans based on race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, etc.
So which is the real America? Well, they both are. America is representative of the human race as a whole in that it shows everything from the greatest good to the most profound evil. These are two very distinct philosophies and attitudes, and they run rampant in the States. I say, we separate all these people into two groups and let them start two new countries. That way, they can all have what they want and they don't have to piss off the other side.
Personally, I think I'll just move to an uncharted jungle island in the pacific where I can run naked and weave baskets out of hemp. Knowing my luck, though, my island will have a rich oil supply and the U.S. will decide that I'm ruling the island with an iron fist and have somehow managed to MacGuyver a nuclear weapon together out of bat guano and coconut shells, and they'll spend billions of dollars to send a bunch of soldiers to my island so that one of them can kick me off a ledge into the ocean to be eaten by a shark. And then they'll shoot the shark for good measure.
I've seen both sides of America up close and personal. There are some genuinely good and decent people in the country, but for every one of those there are ten others that cause me a great deal of embarassment. How do I tell the rest of the world that we're not all like these morons?
In the days following the events of 9/11, after it was revealed that those responsible were Midde-Eastern Islamic extremists, there was a nasty backlash aimed at anyone who was Islamic, Middle-Eastern, or was suspected of being either. Several Islamic friends at my school were harassed. Why? Are people in this country really that stupid? Do they think that every Islamic or Middle-Eastern person is a terrorist? Or was this some obscure form of revenge? Who knows? I don't claim to know the minds of idiots.
Which America would you rather live in?
PS- taking resident applications for the island of the naked basket-weavers"It's not what you're doing that offends me, it's the idiotic way you're going about it."
Feb 14th, 2005 8:40 AM #2
Ignorance is a lack of knowledge, or a willful lack of desire to improve the efficiency, merit, effectiveness or usefulness of one's actions. Ignorance is also a "state of being ignorant" or unaware (not knowing).
A perfect example of what you just described is the Free Republic website - and the members there that seemingly have nothing to do but slam others who QUESTION things or think differently.
A lot of people are scared that way - or scared INTO thinking that way. Others only see the black and white - or just flat out won't listen to the other side. If hitting the ignorant was a legal option, my fists would be sore.
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Feb 14th, 2005 12:18 PM #3
Some people just accepted the 'fact' that the world was flat. Others needed proof.
Nice post derangel! Daily I see people who have no clue and don't really want a clue from what I can tell. They have taken the blue pill, chosen the steak dinner have you.
Feb 14th, 2005 2:03 PM #4I think I'll just move to an uncharted jungle island in the pacific where I can run naked and weave baskets out of hemp. Knowing my luck, though, my island will have a rich oil supply and the U.S. will decide that I'm ruling the island with an iron fist and have somehow managed to MacGuyver a nuclear weapon together out of bat guano and coconut shells, and they'll spend billions of dollars to send a bunch of soldiers to my island so that one of them can kick me off a ledge into the ocean to be eaten by a shark. And then they'll shoot the shark for good measure.
Feb 14th, 2005 8:58 PM #5Originally Posted by substand
If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and limps like a duck, then it's a goddamn duck."It's not what you're doing that offends me, it's the idiotic way you're going about it."
Feb 15th, 2005 1:56 AM #6Well, yeah, we did.Sure, Saddamn was a bastard, but so is Castro, and we haven't bothered to knock over his happy little communist empire, have we?
You, and many others, IMO, seem to equate one or two of the reasons we attacked Iraq with reasons we should attack any other regime. You all fail to realize the big picture. It was not simply our evidence of WMD (which was released by the CIA from an Oct 2002 estimate which concluded Iraq was developing WMD). It was not simply the fact that we felt Saddam was destabilizing the entire ME and thus our economy on the basis of oil. It was not simply Saddam's support of int'l terrorism. It was not simply that Saddam was an evil dictator. It was not simply that we had spent over a decade in time trying to get him to comply with the issues he agreed to to end the first gulf war. It was not the fact that no other regime met the domestic political conditions for waging war. It was not that Saddam, if he aquired such weapons, intended to use them on our allies (as his MO was the destruction of Israel, and probably us if he had the technology to send it that far). It was all these things. And while one regime here or there might have met one or two or three of the conditions, no one met them all. And you would be reluctant to persuade me that you would have chosen someone else to attack first.
American Intelligence (such as it is) fucked up
what do we have to show for it? A country with a brand new democratic government (which still hates us, by the way), the same country full of terrorists that will fight until at least one side is dead, the resentment of the surrounding Islamic countries, the irritation of our foreign allies, a pricetag on the war that tops the trillion mark, and (last but not least) one hell of a body count on our side.
2) terrorists would have happened anyway
3) we were already resented by the islamist terrorists
4) our allies will get over it (and i suspect in 20 yrs time we will be praised for our actions
5) i've yet to see a trillion and even if it matters, its worth it
6) the body count is damn low considering other wars and the terrain we are fighting in
Feb 15th, 2005 2:23 AM #7
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