Solar system TO perfect for non-creation theories

**LPF-Dude** · Mar 3rd, 2005 2:56 AM

I couldnt fall asleep one night so I listened to the radio, and this religuos scientist was speaking to a talk show host, the scientist said some bogus, but some stuff he said was interesting, and I will believe you will find it interesting as well

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1. The earths alignment is PERFECT distance from the sun: Draw the earth on a piece of paper, now, if you moved that earth half a centimeter forward toward the sun, we would all die of heat, if you moved the earth less than a centimeter backward, we would all freeze. you see, the earth is so PRECISE in its alignment to the sun that if the earth moved 50,000 miles forward, the earth would burst and flame and become a fireball. if you moved it 50,000 miles backward, we would become a ball of ice. 50,000 miles doesnt sound like much when we talk about space, but 50,000 is about the length of the U.S.! and on a scale map, the U.S would probable be half a centimeter. So if the earth would be to budge slightly in any direction, we would be doomed.
But there earths alignment is so perfect that it proves it hade to have been created by an intelligent being, instead og the big bang. The sun and earth are at the PRECISE distance from each other, that could not possibly be a result from the big bang.

2. The moon, the moons size and distnce from the earth is ALSO perfect, The moon is at such a distance that it PERFECTLY eclipses the sun, no more no less.

3. The side of the moon that faces us, the side riddled with craters and lead, has been dulled in its reflection of the sun by the craters and lead, if the OTHER side of the moon faced earth(the smooth, non crated non-leaded side), it would be ten TIMES brighter at night! we would need sunglasses and there would never be a night, there would be two suns constantly orbiting us.

The universe has been put to gether so perfectly, the exact distance from the sun and earth, the precise size and distance of the moon, the dull side of the moon facing us.

This is all to perfect for a big bang theory and is hard proof that the universe was created by an intelligent being and NOT created by random placement. d

:amaz:

***playmaker88*** · Mar 3rd, 2005 3:37 AM

"Too perfect". The chances would be multi-millions to one, but what do you know? Billions upon billions upon billions of stars. "Hard proof", only to someone with a closed mind.

**LPF-Dude** · Mar 3rd, 2005 4:32 AM

Originally Posted by playmaker88

"Too perfect". The chances would be multi-millions to one, but what do you know? Billions upon billions upon billions of stars. "Hard proof", only to someone with a closed mind.

The earth is so precise in the squeeze between heat and ice are you actaully trying to say that the big bang blew this all into precise specific locations down to the last inch?

Chances are A billion times a billion to one.

"I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time."-Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

God cares more about your salvation than his praise.

What the hell! The crazy dude won't die!

***DontBeAfraid*** · Mar 3rd, 2005 4:57 AM

What are the odds of it happening in a univers with BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS of stars?

LPF if it happened on all stars and all planets then it might be a perfect life preserving universe. Oh and the moon has craters all over it, this guy was not a scientist.

***playmaker88*** · Mar 3rd, 2005 5:01 AM

Originally Posted by LPF-Dude

"I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time."-Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

God cares more about your salvation than his praise.

If so, why does it take one to gain the other?

Way to go in your attempts to prove the ageists right...

adroit · Mar 3rd, 2005 10:43 AM

[quote]1. The earths alignment is PERFECT distance from the sun: Draw the earth on a piece of paper, now, if you moved that earth half a centimeter forward toward the sun, we would all die of heat, if you moved the earth less than a centimeter backward, we would all freeze. you see, the earth is so PRECISE in its alignment to the sun that if the earth moved 50,000 miles forward, the earth would burst and flame and become a fireball. if you moved it 50,000 miles backward, we would become a ball of ice. 50,000 miles doesn't sound like much when we talk about space, but 50,000 is about the length of the U.S.! and on a scale map, the U.S would probable be half a centimeter. So if the earth would be to budge slightly in any direction, we would be doomed.
But there earths alignment is so perfect that it proves it hade to have been created by an intelligent being, instead og the big bang. The sun and earth are at the PRECISE distance from each other, that could not possibly be a result from the big bang.
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Sort of what i was trying to get accross to some other inconciderate cunts in this forum, but its not just earth the entire universe is perfect its as you said against all odds of the laws of physics...

**Havoc Angel** · Mar 3rd, 2005 11:27 AM

Can you grasp the physical machinations of the whole universe so that you are able to say it is for or against all odds of the laws of physics?
And even if the universe and its laws were formulated by a higher being (or a group of higher beings) who says that it was made specifically for us ?

I have heard this chain of argumentation far too often: Universe is in perfect order, order needs some kind of intelligence, ergo the universe was created. As the universe was created there has to be God. And of course this God is of [enter appropriate religion here].

That chain of argumentation to proof the existence of your specific god makes no sense. It could be anything that created the universe for reasons unknown.
In fact it is totally irrelevant wether the universe was created or not.

By the way. Scientists are debating about the range of distance a planet can be from the star it orbits for being able to hold live. And 50000 miles is practically nil in astronomical dimensions. Even mars could have been able to hold live if it was large enough to hold a atmosphere and a more active core. It just couldn't hold the atmosphere long enough and cooled down to fast to have live there now.

Just to visualize the dimensions we are talking about with some neat comparison from www.nineplanets.org :

One way to help visualize the relative sizes in the solar system is to imagine a model in which everything is reduced in size by a factor of a billion. Then the model Earth would be about 1.3 cm in diameter (the size of a grape). The Moon would be about 30 cm (about a foot) from the Earth. The Sun would be 1.5 meters in diameter (about the height of a man) and 150 meters (about a city block) from the Earth. Jupiter would be 15 cm in diameter (the size of a large grapefruit) and 5 blocks away from the Sun. Saturn (the size of an orange) would be 10 blocks away; Uranus and Neptune (lemons) 20 and 30 blocks away. A human on this scale would be the size of an atom but the nearest star would be over 40000 km away.

And another thing, the far side of the moon has even more craters than the side facing us. Just look at the map

**Keeblergiant** · Mar 3rd, 2005 4:46 PM

The earth is so precise in the squeeze between heat and ice are you actaully trying to say that the big bang blew this all into precise specific locations down to the last inch?

It's not as perfect as you claim. We have atleast 100,000 miles of error on both sides of the earth's current radius before we are overcome with heat or ice. Sorry buddy. Oh, and just because our temperature on earth is the perfect temperature for us in no way means that it is the perfect temperature for all life. Life evolved on earth and is thus finely tuned to life's temperature. I'm sure if life evolved on mars we would be finely tuned to the temperature on mars' surface and would be saying that the position of mars is too perfect to have been an accident.

**MoonlapseV** · Mar 3rd, 2005 7:47 PM

Keebler kind of hit on what i was thinking as well. People who believe in God tend to think that the Earth was created around us and for us because everything seems so "perfect". I on the other hand think that is a possibility that life as we know it is on Earth because it was the only place around here where we COULD develop. Humans as we know it could not survive on any other planet except earth in our solar system, UNLESS they had either been created or had adapted to the other planet's harsh climates.

But that again brings about another problem. If a planet is too harsh for life to live on, then life can't even begin to form to even try to adapt on that planet. Not really sure if that makes much sense but i tried to word it the best that i could.

***dutchie*** · Mar 7th, 2005 3:00 AM

This idea LPF posted is not new. It's centuries old, in fact. Our solar system is so perfect, it must have been created by (a) God.

In fact it's the other way around. Do you have any idea what the odds are that in all those billions of galaxies, all containing multiple billions of stars, there is not one solar system where conditions are equal to ours?!? They are in fact far less than the odds of you walking out your front door and immediately getting a Steinway grand piano on your head...

And yes, we can only survive in conditions we call "optimal", but that does not mean conditions far less optimal can not harbor life. Look at the chimneys in our own oceans, where animal life flourishes in water pressures you could not believe, acidity is at a level that would kill us instantly and temperatures are far above boiling point. It's this discovery that makes us look at Europa (a moon of Jupiter), Titan (a moon of Saturn) and Mars with different eyes. We know for a fact that conditions that would burn or freeze us are ideal for lifeforms far more evolved than mere bacteriae.

The "order" in our solar system is quite relative. In a mere four or five billion years from now, our sun will have used up all hydrogen and will expand to a red giant, devouring the inner planets "alive", so to say. The solar system will develop into a natural state of chaos.
Our solar system, BTW, is not "special" - our sun is of a very very common class. We haven't (yet) found any exoplanets that are like our earth, simply because they're too small to detect with our relatively blunt instruments. Ask any "real" scientist, though: earthlike planets DO exist, and it's only a matter of a few years before we'll find many of them.

The notion that we're alone in the universe is sheer arrogance.

***dutchie*** · Mar 7th, 2005 3:04 AM

Originally Posted by MoonlapseV

But that again brings about another problem. If a planet is too harsh for life to live on, then life can't even begin to form to even try to adapt on that planet. Not really sure if that makes much sense but i tried to word it the best that i could.

We don't really know what conditions are necessary to start life. We always have thought of life as being necessarily carbon based. Who's to say there aren't any life forms that are based on an entirely different element or chemical compound? For all we know there could be life forms that would be killed instantly on exposure to our own environment. We just don't know (anymore) what is too harsh for life...

**buttsteezy** · Mar 26th, 2005 5:19 PM

Originally Posted by LPF-Dude

I couldnt fall asleep one night so I listened to the radio, and this religuos scientist was speaking to a talk show host, the scientist said some bogus, but some stuff he said was interesting, and I will believe you will find it interesting as well

:

1. The earths alignment is PERFECT distance from the sun: Draw the earth on a piece of paper, now, if you moved that earth half a centimeter forward toward the sun, we would all die of heat, if you moved the earth less than a centimeter backward, we would all freeze. you see, the earth is so PRECISE in its alignment to the sun that if the earth moved 50,000 miles forward, the earth would burst and flame and become a fireball. if you moved it 50,000 miles backward, we would become a ball of ice. 50,000 miles doesnt sound like much when we talk about space, but 50,000 is about the length of the U.S.! and on a scale map, the U.S would probable be half a centimeter. So if the earth would be to budge slightly in any direction, we would be doomed.
But there earths alignment is so perfect that it proves it hade to have been created by an intelligent being, instead og the big bang. The sun and earth are at the PRECISE distance from each other, that could not possibly be a result from the big bang.

:amaz:

Okay this entire bullshit first of all the earths circumference is 25,000 miles and you said that the length of the U.S. is 50,000 miles. Wow I guess if you blew the earth up to like 15 times the size it is now then you might get your measurements. And the reason there is life on human life on other planets is because our conditions are just right for humans. Okay yeah so our conditions are perfect for living but I bet there are many other planets out there in other solar systems that contain some sort of life cause their conditions on their planet are also perfect for them.

**buttsteezy** · Mar 26th, 2005 5:22 PM

Well I guess you could also say that the universe is too perfect for a higher being to create.

***B.NyeTheUruk-Hai*** · Mar 26th, 2005 7:00 PM

50,000 is about the length of the U.S.!

Wow !!! The U.S. is a LOT bigger than I thought it was !!! No wonder they're a superpower...

Oh, and just because our temperature on earth is the perfect temperature for us in no way means that it is the perfect temperature for all life. Life evolved on earth and is thus finely tuned to life's temperature. I'm sure if life evolved on mars we would be finely tuned to the temperature on mars' surface and would be saying that the position of mars is too perfect to have been an accident.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I would also like to add, for LPF-Dude to consider, that life adapts to its environment. You claim that the Earth was especially made for us. Well then, why don't you switch places with a fish, ANY fish, and see how long either one of you last. Stupid example? Not really. It points out that we are adapted to life in whatever environment we try to inhabit. You and the fish both live on Earth, but you certainly could not survive in your so-called "ideal" and "created for you" environment such as under water and the fish certainly could not survive out of the water. But it's the AIR that we breathe and it's got OXYGEN! How could life NOT survive in this ideal environment?!?! Unfortunately, the fish would die very quickly in this so-called "ideal" environment for life. Geez, people! Take off your rose-colored glasses and THINK for a change. It's not rocket science...