Why do you American's like killing eachother?

[Forgotten Rebel]

I am just a simple Canadian, and I can not possibly understand why an imaginary line can seperate a country with a laughable murder rate to the country with the highest murder rate in the world (except for maybe China, but we don't know for sure). You can't blame it on guns because we have more per capa, so I would like to hear what you think about why you American's like killing eachother?

[dutchie]

You just opened a box of Pandora, FR...

Gun control has been thoroughly debated, almost ad nauseam, in the Philosophy, Ethics & Morals forum, but I'll allow it, in the light of the recent Red Lake event.

I did see "Bowling for Columbine" by Michael Moore (not liked by everyone on this forum) and I do remember being amazed by the difference in gun related deaths between the US and Canada, indeed while guns per capita in Canada are higher than in the US. I was also (even more so) amazed by the apparent difference in mentality towards locking of houses...

[Forgotten Rebel]

I was also (even more so) amazed by the apparent difference in mentality towards locking of houses...

It's true! Everything you've heard is true, I rarely lock my doors, and rarely lock my car, and I don't even live in a 'nice' nieghbourhood.

[Bigsky770]

. . .Stop standing so close to my "full-body" outline paper-targets when I'm aiming for the 'killzone' blazing away with .357 semi-wadcutters. Yer ruining my aim, and making me forget where I put my speed-six loaders. . .

. . .That WAS the typical "American" response you were hoping for, was it not? HOPE I didn't disappoint :sarcasm:

Joe (Bigsky770)

[Keeblergiant]

It's because we be gangsta ova hea' in America, yo!

[Forgotten Rebel]

It's because we be gangsta ova hea' in America, yo!

Umm, I'm not to sure if this is any kind of arguement.

[Forgotten Rebel]

. . .That WAS the typical "American" response you were hoping for, was it not? HOPE I didn't disappoint :sarcasm:
Joe (Bigsky770)

I was not hoping for a typical American response. I have always held that America has produced some of the smartest, as well as a lot of the dumbest people living. My question is a logical one, why do American's kill eachother at that rate that you do while Canadian's don't kill eachother nearly as much. What is it about that imaginary line that causes this to happen? I know the tempature drops liek 40 degrees as soon as you cross the boarder into Canada but besides that, what is it?

[dutchie]

Yes, that IS a valid question, IMO...

Curious....

[lotrfan55345]

It's because we be gangsta ova hea' in America, yo!

Yo a gun is a neccesity to bein' P-I-M-P to yo shizzle middzzle-class tryin'-be-balla whitey teens yo!

I also find it amazing that in 5th grades 60% of the kids reported "owning" a gun. For hunting. I thinks it is amazing that 10-year-olds "own" guns. Quite frankly, I don't understand the joy of hunting... killing biological organisms to "eat" yet you can buy the almost exact same thing sitting conventiently pre-packaged at the local supermarket. I don't think I will ever hunt in my life, unless I have to do it to eat...I don't even like spraying anti-bacterial stuff, let alone shooting something at something I can actually see. But this is off topic so I will stop talkinga bout it.

In a nutshell, guns should be banned to civilians, and especially 10 year olds who like to hunt.

[Keeblergiant]

Umm, I'm not to sure if this is any kind of arguement.

wUt 'choo talkin' 'bout, foo? why you bein' so ignant...GGGG-UNIT!

(...It wasn't an argument, but an explanation. There's so much violence over here because everyone wants to be "gangsta" and "pimp," and there is no other way to do that then to sell drugs, beat women, listen to rap, and shoot people. Oh, and you're IQ has to be in the negative numbers.)

I don't think I will ever hunt in my life

Maybe that's why you don't understand it's appeal.

[Forgotten Rebel]

There's so much violence over here because everyone wants to be "gangsta" and "pimp," and there is no other way to do that then to sell drugs, beat women, listen to rap, and shoot people. Oh, and you're IQ has to be in the negative numbers.)

Ya we got those people here too, we call them wiggers, and we beat them up on a regular basis. There is actually a much larger punk population for whatever reason that look freakier but don't seem to kill eachother (just beat the shit out of eachother in the pit!). So rap is to blame? I'm not sure, it definatly has something to do with it. But what about the KKK, they don't want to be gangsta. And I've been down south the thing with the negative numbers has to be true.

[lotrfan55345]

Maybe that's why you don't understand it's appeal.

Fair enough...

[greg420]

In a nutshell, guns should be banned to civilians, and especially 10 year olds who like to hunt.

I don't think that the answer is to "ban guns" becuase guns don't kill people, they are merely the method the killer chooses to kill that person. I believe certain kinds of guns should be banned like automatics, semi-automatics and handguns because of their over the top power and concealability but there will always be others ways to kill someone. Should we ban peoples hands because they could strangle someone, or knives because they could stab someone, or poison or big rocks. The answer is education and parents forcing their children to respect guns and their consequences.

On the american violence issue I believe that they are so violent because of their mindset as a society that the individuals rights is more important than societies best interests (gun ownership, frivilous lawsuits, private property) along with the fact that their government is constantly scaring the shit out of them accompanied by the nation wide poverty rate. Leaves allot of room for scared, desperate and paranoid people.

[Keeblergiant]

Ya we got those people here too, we call them wiggers, and we beat them up on a regular basis.

Where I live the wiggers are usually the posers who act "hard" but aren't really. I'm talking about the other fags who actually are in gangs.

But what about the KKK, they don't want to be gangsta.

Yeah, but the KKK doesn't really commit acts of violence anymore.

[DontBeAfraid]

Why do you American's like killing eachother?

Why wouldnt we?

[greg420]

Where I live the wiggers are usually the posers who act "hard" but aren't really. I'm talking about the other fags who actually are in gangs..

Rap music on the whole is a little bit desturctive because of the messages it sends out and the amount of this medium that people take in. Wiggers in this case oubviously consume allot of negative material through the medium and you know what they say to much of anything is bad for you. Wiggers from experience are no more than mindless followers they act, talk and dress based on the newest trend in hip-hop culture. The fags that are in gangs are a product of adverse societal issues like poverty and poor education and the exisitng crime element in their growing enviroment.

Yeah, but the KKK doesn't really commit acts of violence anymore.

It's true they don't lynch many people anymore but maybe that's because they aren't advertising it anymore. It's possible to assume that they are still plotting peoples deaths but in covert fashion as to not arrouse suspicion. But besides all that they still spread ignorance and propaganda which is equally as damaging as lynching.

[greg420]

I am just a simple Canadian, and I can not possibly understand why an imaginary line can seperate a country with a laughable murder rate to the country with the highest murder rate in the world (except for maybe China, but we don't know for sure). You can't blame it on guns because we have more per capa, so I would like to hear what you think about why you American's like killing eachother?

Here are several reasons (all intertwined) as to why american's are violent:

-Poor education system for the lower classes
-the government getting everyone paranoid over terrorism
-lots of poverty
-lack of gun control laws alongside the right to bear arms
-A national mindset of USA #1
-The War on Drugs
-The principle that the individuals rights are more important than societies best interests
-States carrying Capital Punishment
-the fact that war and destruction are big business in the US (good for the economy)

that's all i can think of off the top of my head tell me what you think

[Kohler]

I am just a simple Canadian, and I can not possibly understand why an imaginary line can seperate a country with a laughable murder rate to the country with the highest murder rate in the world (except for maybe China, but we don't know for sure). You can't blame it on guns because we have more per capa, so I would like to hear what you think about why you American's like killing eachother?

May I ask, how exactly do you get off asking that? Do you think you are funny? America is the most diverse country in the world... it isn't possible to dig up the roots of racism, its a part of our society that is here to stay. Along with racism comes violence.......

[Keeblergiant]

-The principle that the individuals rights are more important than societies best interests

Individual rights are in societies best interests.

[Forgotten Rebel]

May I ask, how exactly do you get off asking that? Do you think you are funny? America is the most diverse country in the world... it isn't possible to dig up the roots of racism, its a part of our society that is here to stay. Along with racism comes violence.......

So are you blaming diversity for America's problems, or racism as a whole? The quote of mine you used and your statement don't match up. And if you think it's because of racism, see every other country in the world (England: Skinheads v. Rastafarians; Germnay: Nazi's v. Jews; China: Government v. Tibet; and the list goes on and on. Every country in the world has problems with another race inside it's boarders, so saying that rooted racism because of diversity to blame is a bullshit arguement.

[Forgotten Rebel]

Individual rights are in societies best interests.

No, individual rights are the complete opposite of being in societies best interest, if it was in societies best interest they would be societal rights, not individual rights. Individualism comes out of liberalism (namely Hobbes and Locke), which is what America was founded on. If you are talking of societal rights you are either a coservative or a socialist. If I have individual freedom I don't have to help society because that's my choice, so i don't see how individual rights are in societies best interest.

[lotrfan55345]

I don't think that the answer is to "ban guns" becuase guns don't kill people, they are merely the method the killer chooses to kill that person. I believe certain kinds of guns should be banned like automatics, semi-automatics and handguns because of their over the top power and concealability but there will always be others ways to kill someone. Should we ban peoples hands because they could strangle someone, or knives because they could stab someone, or poison or big rocks. The answer is education and parents forcing their children to respect guns and their consequences.

Thats pretty much all major guns... Whats left, a water gun?

Rap music on the whole is a little bit desturctive because of the messages it sends out and the amount of this medium that people take in.

wanna li-li-li-lick you from your head to your toes
And I wanna move from the bed down, to the down to the, to the floor
I wanna ah-ah, you make it so good I don’t wanna leave
But I got to kn-kn-kn-know what’s your fan-ta-ta-sy
I wanna get you in the back seat windows up
that's the way you like to fuck
clogged up fog alert rip the pants and rip the shirt
ruff sex make it hurt
in the garden all in the dirt
roll around Georgia brown that's the way that I like it twerk
legs jerk, over worked, under paid, but don't be afraid
in the sun or up in the shade
on the top of my Escalade
maybe your girl and my friend can trade
tag team off the ropes on the ocean or in the boat
factories or hundred spokes
what 'bout up in the candy sto' that chocolate chocolate make it melt
whips and chains handcuffs smack a little bootie up with my belt
scream help play my game
dracula man I'll get my fangs,
horse backin' i'll get my reins
School teacher let me get my brains

[humanhybrid]

I am an American, born in Bozeman, Montana. We Americans are indocternated to be fearful, for a variety of reasons. Its either to eat or defend and in some instances a status quo. We as children grow up watching Rambo, to name a few. Our society shapes our people into action figures. I dont own a gun but it is the right of americans to do so. good day!

[DontBeAfraid]

We americans average MUCH less vacation per year then most, if not all, industrialized nations also... anywhere from two weeks to a month less per person on average.... those few weeks of extra work may be the breaking point.

I know that somedays when my alarm goes off and I have to get up for work that I just want to kill everyone I see.

[dutchie]

We get 25 days off per year... How many do you get?