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Jul 30th, 2005 3:08 PM #1
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Nuke your city? Could be soon....
About Those Nuclear Attack Speculations
Some rumors eventually prove to be accurate foreknowledge. I hope that this one turns out to be silly paranoia spawned by someone (me) who gets too much email and worries too much!
We hear it every day from our government officials: “It’s not a matter of if, but when!” This phrase of course referrers to the domestic nuclear terrorism that our government tells us in inevitable. Naturally when our our government tells us this we have to respect their words. But when similar information is sourced to independent media the “conspiracy theory” tag is immediately applied. Let’s all hope that we can look back at this note and tag it as well meaning alarm and not as foreknowledge.
Before I fill you in on the information rumor mill regarding supposed upcoming nuclear terror let’s keep a few things in mind:
1. The US government is warning us that a nuclear terrorists attack is imminent. It is just a matter of time.
2. Nuclear weapons have only been manufactured by governments; with the US government being the most prolific producer.
3. The above 2 facts should lead you to realize that nuclear weapons do not get used without some kind of government involvement. Governments are the only entities that have the ability to manufacture nuclear weapons and they have always been in complete control of these weapons.
4. The fact is that no nuclear device has or will ever go off without the knowledge of at least one government that has a nuclear weapons program. We all know about the official nuclear capable nations and we all know that Israel is the unofficial nation to have nuclear capabilities. What is taking place, as was the case with Iraq, is that Iran is being set up as a nuclear threat in the event of a nuclear terror incident. Iran is not a nuclear WMD producer and if they were their technology would be so primitive that they would not be able to produce a small nuclear device that can be delivered by a terrorist. Nations do not jump from having no nuclear capabilities to producing the state of the art miniature nuclear devices. It just does not happen. Only the Soviet Union, the US and Israel would have that capability at this time. Perhaps some of the other nuclear nations can produce such devices but it is unlikely. What is surely unlikely is that Iran can produce them Keep that in mind.
More background: Any president worth his salt is supposed to try to make the citizens feel safe and secure. George W. Bush and his PNAC warriors have done nothing but try to keep us frightened to death. Without even trowing a rock, by keeping us scared, this administration has terrorized the citizens of out nation and of the world. They are terrorists by virtue of the fact that they keep us in a continual state of fear. George W. Bush and his PNAC handlers use fear as tool to garner support for their otherwise unacceptable agenda. Any time they want to go after some person or some nation they raise the country’s fear factor in relation to that person or nation to unrealistic levels so that Americans are frightened enough to permit the administration to do anything and everything to protect us. All this occurs even though the rationale for the fear is unfounded.
As professed by the members of the Bush administration who have taken part in the agenda of the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), events the likes of “Pearl Harbor” can frighten the people of this nation into supporting even the most radical agenda of their group. It is the old adage of being protected from a perceived enemy that is at play here. Even though issues such as environmental pollutants pose a far greater risk to the lives of Americans, the perceived threat posed by the media crated bogey man known as the terrorist, is being used to scare the people into supporting Bush the “Protector.” Operation Northwoods is a perfect historic documentation of this strategy. This operation was designed to utilize the fear factor to garner support for unnecessary military interventions. Operation Northwoods was a government plan to conduct false flag terror operations on our own nation and blame these events on a foreign country; in this case the country was Castro’s Cuba. The US planned to conduct state engineered terrorism which would then be blamed on Cuba. The result of this operation would be public support for protection by any means necessary against a perceived threat (Cuba in this case). This is not a new concept, and has been used for centuries. Hitler’s self inflicted Reichstag Fire is the perfect example of such state sponsored terrorism. Of course the example are numerous. . If the 9/11 researchers are correct in their suspicions those attacks served as a perfect example of a false flag operation. It had motive, means and response all fitting the blueprints for such a scheme.
THE RUMORS: I get a ton of email each day. I also read a great deal of news from a many sources. What I am hearing these days is very frightening, although it is VERY difficult to believe. It is for this reason I do not post all my information on the main web site. However I do want to share some of the chatter because if any of this information is accurate I want the real story to be heard BEFORE any official cover stories get out.
I repeat this is all chatter…none of which I can corroborate. There is quite a lot of information coming in so I will share some of it with you.
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Jul 30th, 2005 7:26 PM #2
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I replied along these lines on another thread;
not that I'm Certain of anything along these lines - I happen to like paranoid making thought exercises is all...For every human problem there is an easy and simple answer. And it is always wrong. - H.L. Mencken
Jul 31st, 2005 4:05 PM #3
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"Nuclear terror will reach American shores. Small nuclear devices will go off in one or more American cities. These cities are to be large but not key cities like New York or LA. Death tolls of 200,000 per event are predicted."
San Fransisco. I could be wrong but I predicted it wouldn't be in any key cities before I read this. Anybody on this site who lives there. I would suggest taking a months long vacation or at the very least get away from the city on the dates suggested that the anti terror drills will be put into effect. If you do take a vacation, nothing happens, well lets just say the world is kinda crazy right now. It would be safe to stay on the safe side. You never know when your gonna get blown up. And implus. You live in California. Its gonna break off anyway. Its not my fault. Its the worlds fault.
Jul 31st, 2005 4:19 PM #4
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BY THE WAY:
WASHINGTON – As London recovers from the latest deadly al-Qaida attack that killed at least 50, top U.S. government officials are contemplating what they consider to be an inevitable and much bigger assault on America – one likely to kill millions, destroy the economy and fundamentally alter the course of history, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.
According to captured al-Qaida leaders and documents, the plan is called the "American Hiroshima" and involves the multiple detonation of nuclear weapons already smuggled into the U.S. over the Mexican border with the help of the MS-13 street gang and other organized crime groups.
Al-Qaida has obtained at least 40 nuclear weapons from the former Soviet Union – including suitcase nukes, nuclear mines, artillery shells and even some missile warheads. In addition, documents captured in Afghanistan show al-Qaida had plans to assemble its own nuclear weapons with fissile material it purchased on the black market.
In addition to detonating its own nuclear weapons already planted in the U.S., military sources also say there is evidence to suggest al-Qaida is paying former Russian special forces Spetznaz to assist the terrorist group in locating nuclear weapons formerly concealed inside the U.S. by the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Osama bin Laden's group is also paying nuclear scientists from Russia and Pakistan to maintain its existing nuclear arsenal and assemble additional weapons with the materials it has invested hundreds of millions in procuring over a period of 10 years.
The plans for the devastating nuclear attack on the U.S. have been under development for more than a decade. It is designed as a final deadly blow of defeat to the U.S., which is seen by al-Qaida and its allies as "the Great Satan."
At least half the nuclear weapons in the al-Qaida arsenal were obtained for cash from the Chechen terrorist allies.
But the most disturbing news is that high level U.S. officials now believe at least some of those weapons have been smuggled into the U.S. for use in the near future in major cities as part of this "American Hiroshima" plan, according to an upcoming book, "The al-Qaida Connection: International Terrorism, Organized Crime and the Coming Apocalypse," by Paul L. Williams, a former FBI consultant.
According to Williams, former CIA Director George Tenet informed President Bush one month after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that at least two suitcase nukes had reached al-Qaida operatives in the U.S.
"Each suitcase weighed between 50 and 80 kilograms (approximately 110 to 176 pounds) and contained enough fissionable plutonium and uranium to produce an explosive yield in excess of two kilotons," wrote Williams. "One suitcase bore the serial number 9999 and the Russian manufacturing date of 1988. The design of the weapons, Tenet told the president, is simple. The plutonium and uranium are kept in separate compartments that are linked to a triggering mechanism that can be activated by a clock or a call from the cell phone."
According to the author, the news sent Bush "through the roof," prompting him to order his national security team to give nuclear terrorism priority over every other threat to America.
However, it is worth noting that Bush failed to translate this policy into securing the U.S.-Mexico border through which the nuclear weapons and al-Qaida operatives are believed to have passed with the help of the MS-13 smugglers. He did, however, order the building of underground bunkers away from major metropolitan areas for use by federal government managers following an attack.
Bin Laden, according to Williams, has nearly unlimited funds to spend on his nuclear terrorism plan because he has remained in control of the Afghanistan-produced heroin industry. Poppy production has greatly increased even while U.S. troops are occupying the country, he writes. Al-Qaida has developed close relations with the Albanian Mafia, which assists in the smuggling and sale of heroin throughout Europe and the U.S.
Some of that money is used to pay off the notorious MS-13 street gang between $30,000 and $50,000 for each sleeper agent smuggled into the U.S. from Mexico. The sleepers are also provided with phony identification, most often bogus matricula consular ID cards indistinguishable from Mexico's official ID, now accepted in the U.S. to open bank accounts and obtain driver's licenses.
The Bush administration's unwillingness to secure the U.S.-Mexico border has puzzled and dismayed a growing number of activists and ordinary citizens who see it as the No. 1 security threat to the nation. The Minuteman organization is planning a major mobilization of thousands of Americans this fall designed to shut down the entire 2,000-mile border as it did in April with a 23-mile stretch in Arizona.
According to Williams' sources, thousands of al-Qaida sleeper agents have now been forward deployed into the U.S. to carry out their individual roles in the coming "American Hiroshima" plan.
Bin Laden's goal, according to the book, is to kill at least 4 million Americans, 2 million of whom must be children. Only then, bin Laden has said, would the crimes committed by America on the Arab and Muslim world be avenged.
There is virtually no doubt among intelligence analysts al-Qaida has obtained fully assembled nuclear weapons, according to Williams. The only question is how many. Estimates range between a dozen and 70. The breathtaking news is that an undetermined number of these weapons, including suitcase bombs, mines and crude tactical nuclear weapons, have already been smuggled into the U.S. – at least some across the U.S.-Mexico border.
The future plan, according to captured al-Qaida agents and documents, suggests the attacks will take place simultaneously in major cities throughout the country – including New York, Boston, Washington, Las Vegas, Miami, Chicago and Los Angeles.
In response to the G2 Bulletin revelations, Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, a citizen action group demanding the U.S. government take control of its borders, said an immediate military presence on the borders is now imperative "to stop the overwhelming influx of unidentified, potentially hostile and seditious persons coming across at an alarming rate."
"Terrorists have carte blanche to carry practically anything they want across our national line at this time," he said. "As ordinary citizens have warned this government for years, the only surprising part about the new information reported here is that nothing apocalyptic from Mexican-border weapons trafficking has yet happened. Terrorism has reared its ugly head in London again these past few days, and as we know all too well we are not immune in this country. At this point, the next attempt to attack America at home is just a matter of 'when,' not 'if.' And our unsecured borders have surely contributed to this threat – yet our government officials continue to fiddle while our nation's margin of security and safety burns away. The president and Congress had better wake up before they have to answer for another devastating terrorist incursion on our own soil."
Coming from this site. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/ Can't find the article.
Sad though. If this does actually happen they will say street gangs helped al quasadia and they may also say the terrorists did this because they want every american to know they're not safe, not just people in New York and LA.
Aug 1st, 2005 2:53 PM #5
Who needs articles or "He said/She said". Fact is since the invention of nukes humanity was doomed. You dont need people to prove that one day nukes are going to fall. Everyone and i mean EVERYONE should know that eventually there is going to be lots of mushroom clouds all around us.
I find it sad that alot of people (especially us Americans) are to nieve to think a nuke will ever be used, more so on our own land. Sadly to many people will be dead when it happens, then it will be to late. Of course not much were going to do to stop it so thats why i dont bother worrying!AO is about one thing. Going around in loops. No one cares to learn, they only care to live inside their boxes and ignore the truth!
Aug 1st, 2005 5:58 PM #6
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<<Nations do not jump from having no nuclear capabilities to producing the state of the art miniature nuclear devices. It just does not happen. Only the Soviet Union, the US and Israel would have that capability at this time>>
You forgot a couple of countries on your list. Great Britian and France. Also the Chinese now have the ability to miniturize their nuclear warheads in order to MIRV them thanks to the Clinton Administration winking and nodding at Chinese spies stealing American nuclear secrets for $6.5 million in campaign cash.
<<George W. Bush and his PNAC handlers use fear as tool to garner support for their otherwise unacceptable agenda>>
How pathetic. Their otherwise unacceptable agenda was given the electorates seal of approval in the last election. It is only liberals that are afraid of hearing the truth and who would rather bury their head in the sand and pretend that the terrorist threat does not exist and that it was blown out of proportion by President Bush. President Bush has done a great job keeping America safe since 9-11, although we will get hit again in the future because as I have heard Administration officials explain to Congress on CSPAN on many occasions, our defenses have to be perfect 100% of the time and the terrorists only have to be right once. Therefore one can logically conclude that it is a true statement that it is a matter of when not if we are again attacked, and the same is probably true for being attacked by WMD's.
As for terrorists getting nukes, there are several places to get them from. Russia, North Korea, China, Pakistan.
Also remember this, it is probably China that is actually sponsoring al-queda's activities, while using Iran and Syria as "cut-outs", since this is the very type of asymetrical warfare that was described in the book their two military officers wrote in the 1990's describing how to beat the US in a war.
Aug 2nd, 2005 10:49 AM #7
If a nuke is used, it would have to be created and sponsored by a state. Iran would be the most likely provider of a nuke to a terrorist organization, with China a close second. North Korea a distant third.
There are no smuggled nukes in the USA. Smuggling a nuke is not easy, and obtaining them is even harder. I have read that article on several boards, and it is bologna. Suitcase nukes have a shelf life of three years, they are no longer good. Russia never hid nukes in the USA, remember the fuss about the Cuban Missile Crisis? That was a nuke 200 miles away, imagine the fuss about one inside the country.
Aug 6th, 2005 3:10 PM #8
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I am always uneasy talking or thinking about this...
Imagine the world we wake up in if nuke terror takes place. We will TRULY never be the same...
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Aug 7th, 2005 4:18 AM #9
There is another possibility. The super powers going against each other, opening with a bomb in the enemies capital city. Nuclear terrorism ain't that plausible. How the hell would they get a healthy nuke in the first place!?It's not the age, it's the experience that matters.
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Aug 7th, 2005 7:29 AM #10
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Okay, here's a quick quiz ...
what does a nuke look like?
how do you disarm it?
answer these two quesions quickly, you have 5 minutes, and if you're wrong a hundred thousand people get vaporized...
for all the smart talk (including mine) have Any of us been within ten feet of an absolutely Real nuke?
and have any of us had any experience dealing with NEST, NRC, IANRS or the CIA or FBI?
just wondering, 'cause I don't 'know' a thing really...For every human problem there is an easy and simple answer. And it is always wrong. - H.L. Mencken
Aug 8th, 2005 6:57 AM #11
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