Why is George Bush above the law?

[shadow7]

WHY IS GEORGE W. BUSH ABOVE THE LAW?



No man is above the law and no man is below it; nor do we ask any man's permission when we ask him to obey it. Theodore Roosevelt

THE BRAVADO

Once again, a massive failure of leaderships has been displayed in Washington. And, once again, George Bush has escaped an independent inquiry into his irresponsible actions. For the fourth time in less than five years, the President of the United States and his cohorts been placed above the law. That, in itself, is a major American disaster.

When, if ever, could this have happened before? When else could one administration have pulled off four major scandals; four devastating, potentially impeachable screw-ups, and never have to answer for them? When else, in the United States of America, could so many crimes of an elected president and his cadre remain unexplained, unchallenged, and unpunished? When? Probably never. When in history have the media sat silent through criminal scandal at highest levels of government?

We’re not talking mistakes, here. We’re not talking poor judgment or failed policies. We’re not talking politics as usual, with its underhanded array of pork and perks. But we are talking about very serious violations of the public trust, and very possibly the law, perpetrated by the elected leader of this nation and his handlers.

Even more amazingly, we are talking about the shameful reality that not a single one of these offenses has been investigated by a truly independent, non-political, neutral commission, armed with subpoena powers and adequate funding, and answerable ONLY to the people of the United States of America. Not a single one.

In every one of the scandals in question, calls for a nonpartisan, independent commission were thwarted by the very people accused of misdeeds and crimes. Something is really wrong when an American president who is accused of misconduct can determine who will delve into the facts behind his own actions? Something also is really wrong when incriminating evidence can be redacted and withheld from the public by the very people incriminated by that evidence.

Something is even more seriously wrong when cover up after cover up goes unreported and unchallenged by the same corporate media that spent eight years in relentless pursuit of scandals related to Whitewater, Travelgate, Filegate, Paula Jones and that awful threat to national security, Monica Lewinsky.

Of course, the targets of the media, and ultimately a Special Prosecutor, were Bill and Hillary Clinton, not George W. Bush, and accountability was not yet a dirty word. And of course, in that far more innocent time, challenging the president was not considered to be an act of treason. Tragically, today, it is.

THE SCANDALS

Below are capsulated descriptions of the four most egregious events that took place under the watch of President George W. Bush. Serious questions have been raised about the role of the administration in each of these incidents. The public has a right to hear the answers to these questions and to know the extent to which the president may have been involved.

George W. Bush was the man at the helm when each of the following occurred. For that reason alone he is fully accountable to the people of the United States for a clear and rational explanation of the role of his administration in each of the outrages below:

1. The devastating attacks against the United States on September 11, 2001.
2. The WMD hoax designed to gain public support for an unprovoked, illegal and ineptly planned invasion and occupation of Iraq.
3. The criminal outing of a CIA operative Valerie Plame by a person or persons in the Bush White House.
4. The profound failure of the US government, FEMA and the Department of Homeland Security in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

Every one of these actions resulted in real or potential death and other harm to uncalculated numbers of people. Each action, therefore, raises valid questions of criminal culpability and/or negligence by the President himself or people closely connected to the White House.

As a result, the moves by the administration to thwart, postpone, or control investigations into these travesties are highly suspect to say the least. And yet, the moves to do so were successfully maneuvered at each and every turn.

For THE STING and THE FACTS BEHIND THE SCANDALS:
http://tvnewslies.org/html/why_is_ge..._above_th.html

[Assassin X]

Before i reply to that article i wanted to point out those sites are just like the ones by wack jobs that are realllyyy far out there that have the ones like "New World Order"....etc. Some of this stuff they just twist facts and have bad information...etc. Thats why even on these boards alot of this stuff is just alot of people in some really deep "fake" stuff.

Lets go over these:

1. The devastating attacks against the United States on September 11, 2001.

Right....Bush flew those planes into the Trade Centers? I'm not sure how this makes him a bad person. What exactly did he do wrong on 9/11? Did he not stop it? Because if thats the case you should be whining about Clinton and his gang he already knew about this attack years ago. Subject 1 closed.


2. The WMD hoax designed to gain public support for an unprovoked, illegal and ineptly planned invasion and occupation of Iraq.

The "Hoax". Maybe....just maybe he had bad intelligence. Is that Bush's fault? Why isnt it the idiots fault who told him there was WMD's in Iraq? Bush didnt take the photos of the "supposed" WMDs. Once again you people would rather blame Bush directly then the actual reposnsible people.

3. The criminal outing of a CIA operative Valerie Plame by a person or persons in the Bush White House.


Cant comment because havent heard of this one.

4. The profound failure of the US government, FEMA and the Department of Homeland Security in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

Once again lets just blame Bush. He controls everything, i mean no one can take a piss without his approval. I've said it a million times the govener of the state waited 4 days to ask for help, 4 DAYS! By law the goverment cant help until the Govener asks. Once they did ask was the help getting there slow? Yeah. Was it disorganized? Yeah. Have we ever been in a situation like this in the Us? NO.

This is the first time something of this size has happened in the US and you people demand perfection from the goverment. Lets give you the spot and see how you do. Im sure you'll say you will do fine but im sure you wouldnt.

My overall feeling:
People like to blame Bush rather then actual people under him because they just dont like him, why punish the bad guy when you can punish the guy that looks stupid and cant say "Nuclear".

So why has he avoided impeachment 4 times? Are you ready? Maybe because...get this... HE HASNT DONE ANYTHING WRONG! Obviously others get that or there would be a huge stink about it. You know this country, the minute a president screws things up the try to boot him out of officw, well obviously Bush isnt responsible for the problems that have happened.

But you Bush bashers are so pissed at the goverment you just want Bush out instead of thinking it through and saying "Hey maybe its someone under him".

Heck im sure if a nuclear power plant blows up because some guy forgot to moniter the rods you guys would blame bush beacuse ....dont know but im sure youd find some reason.

Am I proud to be an American? Hell no. Im surrounded by idiots....hence my sig.

:Now comes the part where people get mad and think of stupid comment like "Well, you have bad grammer so HA!" and think they are so smart:

[Philosopher Foelhe]

Wasn't gonna reply to this one, but what the hell.

What exactly did he do wrong on 9/11? Did he not stop it? Because if thats the case you should be whining about Clinton and his gang he already knew about this attack years ago.

Y'know, I can agree with you that maybe Bush gets the blame too often. But then you turn around and blame Clinton? The guy didn't have any power in this situation, there was no way he could've stopped it. Besides, do you honestly think the entire Clinton administration would've sat on this information? If Clinton knew about it, Bush damn well should've known about it.

But there should've been an inquiry in this case, if only to figure out where the holes were in counter-terrorism intelligence. The fact that Bush has been dragging his feet on this makes me curious.

Maybe....just maybe he had bad intelligence.

Here I agree with you... mostly. I still think there should be an inquiry, if only to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Cant comment because havent heard of this one.

Nor have I. Care to point us in the right direction, Shadow?

Once again lets just blame Bush. He controls everything, i mean no one can take a piss without his approval. I've said it a million times the govener of the state waited 4 days to ask for help, 4 DAYS!

Incorrect. Governor Blanco asked for help on day one of Katrina. The help was simply slow in coming - later she was informed that the only way to get the White House's attention during a crisis was to never stop bothering them for it. (Can't remember who said this to her...)

But in any case, WEMA should certainly be looked at carefully over this... and this at least is happening. WEMA's getting a serious bitch-slap from the media over this one. So I don't see the need to bring President Bush into it.

[Marajadex]

While he quickly made an impression locally, Mr. Fitzgerald gained national notoriety as the special prosecutor assigned to investigate the leak in 2003 that revealed the name of CIA operative Valerie Plame.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../International

On the national level, Judith Miller, a reporter for The New York Times, has spent more than a month in a Virginia jail cell for contempt of court. She has refused to name her confidential source in research she had done into the outing of Valerie Plame, a covert CIA agent.

http://www.readingeagle.com/blog/edi...m_of_pres.html

On July 27 there was a story discussing the leak inquiry pertaining to Valerie Plame. That is in itself, a story about secrets but I won’t discuss that here. One of the things that has been going on in connection with that story is a grand jury investigation into the issue of who gave away Ms. Plame’s secret. Her secret was whom she worked for. The special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald asked that people appearing before the grand jury not discuss anything about the case. Ari Fleischer, the former White House press secretary testified. His testimony was really interesting and everyone wanted to know what he said. A few people in the know imparted some information about his testimony to reporters. They did so anonymously. As the Times explained: “The people who discussed the testimony of Mr. Fleischer and other witnesses asked not to be named because . . . the special prosecutor, has asked anyone involved in the case not to talk about it.” Presumably the informers were involved with the case else they’d not have known whereof they spoke. By remaining anonymous, one concludes, they were not violating the special prosecutor’s injunction. The anonymous informers can explain better than I why that is.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0820-23.htm

A special prosecutor was appointed in 2003 to determine whether White House officials violated the law and exposed Plame's name in a campaign to discredit Wilson after he wrote an opinion piece in The New York Times criticizing the Bush administration's decision to go to war.

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlot...d/12435042.htm

I did a google search on Valerie Plame and came up with over 400 hits... and that is just the recent stories... With your knowledge of politics I am suprised you haven't heard of this...

[Philosopher Foelhe]

God bless Google. Why do I always forget to research the thing I'm talking about? No matter, and much thanks, Mara

I'd say this definately needs to be looked into, but that seems to be happening. I wouldn't say the Bush administration is getting away scott-free with this... it might just take awhile for the whole mess to be settled.

With your knowledge of politics I am suprised you haven't heard of this...

... You're talking to Assassin-X here, right? Just clarifying.

[Assassin X]

Y'know, I can agree with you that maybe Bush gets the blame too often. But then you turn around and blame Clinton? The guy didn't have any power in this situation, there was no way he could've stopped it. Besides, do you honestly think the entire Clinton administration would've sat on this information? If Clinton knew about it, Bush damn well should've known about it.

But there should've been an inquiry in this case, if only to figure out where the holes were in counter-terrorism intelligence. The fact that Bush has been dragging his feet on this makes me curious.

As for Clinton, I was just saying that he knew about. You just said no one could have stopped it then say Bush should have damn well knew about it. SO then are you sayings its Bush's fault (9/11) then or not? No one could have stopped it.

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Maybe....just maybe he had bad intelligence.

Here I agree with you... mostly. I still think there should be an inquiry, if only to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Yeah. OUr intelligence made Bush believe there were WMD, this wasn't Bushs fault, he was just going by what they were telling him, heck if I were him I would have believed them, i mean come on thats their job, if they mess it up then who can you believe?

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Once again lets just blame Bush. He controls everything, i mean no one can take a piss without his approval. I've said it a million times the govener of the state waited 4 days to ask for help, 4 DAYS!

Incorrect. Governor Blanco asked for help on day one of Katrina. The help was simply slow in coming - later she was informed that the only way to get the White House's attention during a crisis was to never stop bothering them for it. (Can't remember who said this to her...)

But in any case, WEMA should certainly be looked at carefully over this... and this at least is happening. WEMA's getting a serious bitch-slap from the media over this one. So I don't see the need to bring President Bush into it.

There were two states that asked for help. One of the goveneres asked after 4 days, one asked after 1 day. Either way like I said this was the first time our country has had something like this happen you cant expect them to be fast and know exactly what to do (even with plans). Im sure when the first Nuke goes off on our soil (and it will happen) we wont be fast to respond (As in to the recovery). I would blame FEMA not Bush.

Listen im not saying Bush isnt perfect, its not like im yelling "I love Bush, Bush rocks!". I think hes an idiot on some things. No president is perfect but these above events he just got blamed for instead of people blaming the right ones.

[Assassin X]

With your knowledge of politics I am suprised you haven't heard of this...

Who are you talking to? If you're talking to me then I heard the name but for some reason didnt really read what happened (or forgot about it). Like i just said in my above post though no president is perfect and im sure we can all agree on that and i doubt there will EVER be a perfect one.

[Philosopher Foelhe]

As for Clinton, I was just saying that he knew about. You just said no one could have stopped it then say Bush should have damn well knew about it. SO then are you sayings its Bush's fault (9/11) then or not? No one could have stopped it.

I think it's possible Bush could've stopped it, yes, but I don't know anything about military intelligence so I'm not really blaming him about it. But you said we should be pointing fingers at Clinton, which I think is wrong. And I think Bush should've known about it, definately. The fact that everyone on his staff was so casual in the days leading up to 9/11 makes me think something is wrong.

Besides, whether it was his fault or not - a lot of people agreed that we needed to check out the system to figure out how we could make it better, which I agree with. And Bush stalled. He shouldn't have.

Yeah. OUr intelligence made Bush believe there were WMD, this wasn't Bushs fault, he was just going by what they were telling him, heck if I were him I would have believed them, i mean come on thats their job, if they mess it up then who can you believe?

I whole-heartedly agree... which is why the CIA is probably the one we need to look at here. But it's still a problem we need to take care of.

There were two states that asked for help. One of the goveneres asked after 4 days, one asked after 1 day. Either way like I said this was the first time our country has had something like this happen you cant expect them to be fast and know exactly what to do (even with plans). Im sure when the first Nuke goes off on our soil (and it will happen) we wont be fast to respond (As in to the recovery). I would blame FEMA not Bush.

Again, I agree.

Listen im not saying Bush isnt perfect, its not like im yelling "I love Bush, Bush rocks!". I think hes an idiot on some things. No president is perfect but these above events he just got blamed for instead of people blaming the right ones.

Well... keep in mind that Bush is the figure-head for his entire cabinet. Which (unless I'm mistaken) includes the heads of the CIA and FEMA. You might look at it like a boss getting chewed out because he assigned something to one of his underlings and they didn't come through. On the one hand, it sucks and he's not directly responsible... on the other, he hired 'em, and he was responsible for giving them a direction to go in. So, I'm not gonna say he should be solely responsible for all these mistakes, but I do think he could've prevented them. And he did not. And that worries me.

[Marajadex]

With your knowledge of politics I am suprised you haven't heard of this...

... You're talking to Assassin-X here, right? Just clarifying.

No Disrespect at all but I was actually making a broad statement to all those who haven't heard about this.

Philosopher Foelhe, I was suprised you were un-aware of this story.

Assassin X, I was suprised you were un-aware as well... Yet you do profess to know more about politics than the average poster here (opinion based on the content of your posts).

With all the slight of hand and spin doctoring going on... well you know... We all pay more attention to some reports than others....

Again it was not a disrespectfull comment... just genuine suprise.

[DarkAce]

1. The devastating attacks against the United States on September 11, 2001.

Right....Bush flew those planes into the Trade Centers? I'm not sure how this makes him a bad person. What exactly did he do wrong on 9/11? Did he not stop it? Because if thats the case you should be whining about Clinton and his gang he already knew about this attack years ago. Subject 1 closed.

He didn't directly cause it (well that's up to interpretation of semantics) but certainly fumbled the ball on the situation. It's been quite awhile since I rehashed all my 9/11 info but from what I recall there was plenty of warning from international/national agencies detailing the imminient plots and threat of Al Qaeda. The Bush adminstration chose to ignore these warnings and put terrorism on low priority.
You're right, no one can forsee the future, but that doesn't mean precautions aren't to be made on such a serious threat. I've seen much more action put fourth into things meagrely as important.

2. The WMD hoax designed to gain public support for an unprovoked, illegal and ineptly planned invasion and occupation of Iraq.

The "Hoax". Maybe....just maybe he had bad intelligence. Is that Bush's fault? Why isnt it the idiots fault who told him there was WMD's in Iraq? Bush didnt take the photos of the "supposed" WMDs. Once again you people would rather blame Bush directly then the actual reposnsible people.

All in all, the Chief has final say to give the greenlight. He pushed for this without the 'proper' intelligence and we had a sense they wanted to invade Iraq long before. On the terrible day of the 9/11 attacks, five hours after a hijacked plane slammed into the Pentagon, retired Gen. Wesley Clark received a strange call from someone (he didn't name names) representing the White House position: "I was on CNN, and I got a call at my home saying, 'You got to say this is connected. This is state-sponsored terrorism. This has to be connected to Saddam Hussein,'" Clark told Meet the Press anchor Tim Russert. "I said, 'But -- I'm willing to say it, but what's your evidence?' And I never got any evidence."

And what did Bush do? Gave the head of intelligence a friggen medal.

3. The criminal outing of a CIA operative Valerie Plame by a person or persons in the Bush White House.


Cant comment because havent heard of this one.

Rove's a prick.

4. The profound failure of the US government, FEMA and the Department of Homeland Security in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

Once again lets just blame Bush. He controls everything, i mean no one can take a piss without his approval. I've said it a million times the govener of the state waited 4 days to ask for help, 4 DAYS! By law the goverment cant help until the Govener asks. Once they did ask was the help getting there slow? Yeah. Was it disorganized? Yeah. Have we ever been in a situation like this in the Us? NO.

This is the first time something of this size has happened in the US and you people demand perfection from the goverment. Lets give you the spot and see how you do. Im sure you'll say you will do fine but im sure you wouldnt.

Regardless if the help was asked for in time or not (althought it was) Bush appointed someone with absolutely no experince as the head of FEMA. How irresponsible is that? Not to mention all the cuts ordered by the government towards FEMA, etc. Don't they carry out drills for this sort of thing? Yes we have been in this situation before, if by the situation you mean hurricanes and flooding. Remember hurricane Andrew?

"---- 1992 ----

Nor'easter of 1992 December 1992. Slow-moving storm batters northeast U.S. coast, New England hardest hit; $1.0-$2.0 (1.3-2.6) billion damage/costs; 19 deaths.

Hurricane Iniki September 1992. Category 4 hurricane hits Hawaiian island of Kauai; about $1.8 (2.4) billion damage/costs; 7 deaths.

Hurricane Andrew August 1992. Category 5 hurricane hits Florida and Louisiana, high winds damage or destroy over 125,000 homes; approximately $27.0 (35.6) billion damage/costs; 61 deaths. Special Report"

Link:http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/reports/billionz.html

What kind of retort is "Let's see you do better". Since when was it wrong to criticize?

My overall feeling:

Bush is the figure head and representative embodiment of his adminstration. I too feel Bush gets way more blame than necessary (and I actually like him as a person) but his reluctance to take blame/punish anyone of his adminstration for many of the mistakes they've made is defiantly frustrating the lot. Also the sheer arrogance in the way they handle things is where most of the hate is concentrated from.

So why has he avoided impeachment 4 times? Are you ready? Maybe because...get this... HE HASNT DONE ANYTHING WRONG!

Nothing wrong? Heh. Wrong answer boyo. He hasn't been impeached or even remotely phased because republicans control EVERYTHING. House, senate, supreme court, etc. Coupled with the fact hat most dems are such pussies.
Bush is still in office because it has much more to do with what parties hold the position rather than the actual person it seems (Also Kerry was a douche). Look at the voting results. The places that were directly affected by 9/11 voted for Kerry. Bush's propaganda machine sold the sheeple on morality values and 'protection', that's why he's still in power.

But there should've been an inquiry in this case,

The 9/11 commission?

[Defiant Noquisi]

What exactly did he do wrong on 9/11? Did he not stop it? Because if thats the case you should be whining about Clinton and his gang he already knew about this attack years ago.

What he did wrong came before 9/11. Im also with PF on this that if Clinton did know (Did Clinton know the actual date?) then certainly Bush would have found out beforehand and should have acted on it. The logic doesnt pan out.

The "Hoax". Maybe....just maybe he had bad intelligence. Is that Bush's fault? Why isnt it the idiots fault who told him there was WMD's in Iraq? Bush didnt take the photos of the "supposed" WMDs. Once again you people would rather blame Bush directly then the actual reposnsible people.

If Bush and his admin (that HE put together) didnt spend so much time whitewashing, flip flopping and back tracking we might get to know who is actually responsible. Instead we get such insane rhetoric from Bush & Co. that the Barney song sounds more intellectual. Bush has more teflon that John Gotti and Ronald Reagan combined.

3. The criminal outing of a CIA operative Valerie Plame by a person or persons in the Bush White House.


Cant comment because havent heard of this one.

Im surprised at you not hearing of it since it was all over the news and your buddy Bush said that heads will role and whoever leaked her name will be fired. So far all arrows have pointed to Karl Rove. Its completely amazing to me that with the copius amounts of ineptness that has occured with the Bush admin since 2000 that no one has been fired. I want a job there.

4. The profound failure of the US government, FEMA and the Department of Homeland Security in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

Once again lets just blame Bush.

Eh, Bush created Homeland Security, he placed Brown in charge of FEMA and then rolled FEMA into Homeland Security. Did I miss anything else?

I've said it a million times the govener of the state waited 4 days to ask for help, 4 DAYS! By law the goverment cant help until the Govener asks. Once they did ask was the help getting there slow? Yeah. Was it disorganized? Yeah.

I dont fault Bush entirely for the turtle pace of aid getting to the affected areas, since to me the bulk of the responsibility falls locally. However, its his own damn fault for putting one of his freinds in a position he wasnt qualified nor had experience to handle. I blame him for Cuban doctors being refused who have had plenty of experience in hurricane disaster aid. I blame him for aid from foreign countries being turned away. Even Chavez piped up that he would send OIL! WTF!!! Even our enemies in a massive show of maturity have offered aid and it gets turned away! WHY?????

Have we ever been in a situation like this in the Us? NO.

Where the hell have you been? You think that there have been no other hurricanes or other natural disasters here? Why dont you look it up and see how many devastating natural disasters have occured in the US even within the last 100 years? Thats the most ignorant statement Ive ever seen you post!

Now comes the part where people get mad and think of stupid comment like "Well, you have bad grammer so HA!" and think they are so smart:

Well, its rather difficult for others to look at you as mature and intelligent since all they can actually "see" of you is your post and your post looks like an elementary school kid did it.

[Assassin X]

Where the hell have you been? You think that there have been no other hurricanes or other natural disasters here? Why dont you look it up and see how many devastating natural disasters have occured in the US even within the last 100 years? Thats the most ignorant statement Ive ever seen you post!

Ummm obviously you didn't get what I meant. Disaster like this. As in whole cities being flooded, whole cities wiped out, mass chaos. This is a whole new disaster of its kind for the US. This is the biggest one, so much damage, so much crap happpened...etc!

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Now comes the part where people get mad and think of stupid comment like "Well, you have bad grammer so HA!" and think they are so smart:

Well, its rather difficult for others to look at you as mature and intelligent since all they can actually "see" of you is your post and your post looks like an elementary school kid did it.

Well if anyone remembers I use to have seizures and one of them gave me a wonderful thing called a Brain Injury (a mild one) but it did enough damage that it screwed up my grammer ability. I knows theres a Spell Checker but I usually forget. And its above comments like yours that make me more hateful towards the world. Thanks for being nice!

As for the Oil, yeah I thought that wasn't a bright idea either.

Back to Topic...

Assassin X, I was suprised you were un-aware as well...(etc)

Yeah, I probably seen the story alot but for some reason just it never stuck in my memory.

[Mezurashi]

Well if anyone remembers I use to have seizures and one of them gave me a wonderful thing called a Brain Injury (a mild one) but it did enough damage that it screwed up my grammer ability. I knows theres a Spell Checker but I usually forget. And its above comments like yours that make me more hateful towards the world. Thanks for being nice

you bloody hypocrite. You have attacked me severly on several occasions, yet here you are sucking up for Nice treatment? You're a prick for your double standards, if you're going to post harsh things and act like an immature jerk then DO NOT expect people to Be Nice because you've got a brain injury. If you have Tourette's do you try to go in for watch repair or brain surgery?

damn you AssX - people like you whining about not having your double standards pandered to are what's causing so many problems in North America. Grow Up, Stand Up, Deal With It, like the rest of us with 'Serious Problems' have. And I say this as someone with Serious Problems - yes I get harsh but I DO NOT go around acting like I have a RIGHT to be a prick.

And neither do you...

[Assassin X]

Well someone has male PMS. Right now the only "prick" is you.

I dont expect people to "Be nice". Heck most the time people are more mean if i dare mention anything. And I always have to mention this crap because all people do when they get pissed is look for flaws to point out. Like you now looking for "Double Standards". As always someone (you) have gone off topic and turned it into personal attacks because I had a diffrent opinion on the topic at hand and mentioned that some idiot would not like my statement and most likley pick on something...aka my grammer. And im the prick.

[Mezurashi]

I dont expect people to "Be nice". Heck most the time people are more mean if i dare mention anything. And I always have to mention this crap because all people do when they get pissed is look for flaws to point out. Like you now looking for "Double Standards". As always someone (you) have gone off topic and turned it into personal attacks because I had a diffrent opinion on the topic at hand and mentioned that some idiot would not like my statement and most likley pick on something...aka my grammer. And im the prick.

I haven't picked on your grammar - sorry about that oversight.

And being snarky about someone Not being Nice to you because they disagree, well what do you expect except that someone like me might just want to call you on that?

As for the way people pick on you, well, too bad. Public Forums involving a whole bunch of people with differing opinions means some of them might just take an instant dislike to you. There are people who'd gladly hold me down while you kicked me to death, is this an Injustice? Should I rail against the reality that some people don't like me? I don't go around expecting 'fair' or 'nice' treatment, sometimes my more extreme moods can get me into situations, but I don't Ever feel like I have some sort of Right except the Right to get my ass kicked if things go far enough.

Deal with it, AssX. Being snarky like that invites random responses. And if you think I'm full of it, check out some of the stuff posted by others about and to me. I don't ask them to be nice, it's their opinion. And if I want to engage I will.

But these are all Choices that each of us makes, and we need to recognize our personal responsibility for our decisions.