Iran hosts 'The World without Zionism'

***DarkAce*** · Oct 26th, 2005 11:32 PM

Iran's hard-line president has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map" and said a new wave of Palestinian attacks would destroy the Jewish state, state-run media reported on Wednesday.

In a swipe at some Arab states, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad also denounced attempts to recognise Israel or normalise relations with it.

"There is no doubt that the new wave [of attacks] in Palestine will wipe off this stigma [Israel] from the face of the Islamic world," Ahmadinejad told students on Wednesday during a Tehran conference called The World without Zionism.

"Anybody who recognises Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury, [while] any [Islamic leader] who recognises the Zionist regime means he is acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world," Ahmadinejad said.

Ahmadinejad also reissued the call by the founder of Iran's Islamic revolution, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, for the destruction of Israel.

"As the imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," said Ahmadinejad, who came to power in August and replaced Mohammad Khatami, a reformist who advocated international dialogue and tried to improve Iran's relations with the West.

Ahmadinejad referred to Israel's recent withdrawal from the Gaza Strip as a "trick", saying Gaza was already a part of Palestinian lands and the pull-out was designed to win acknowledgement of Israel by Islamic states.

"The fighting in Palestine is a war between the [whole] Islamic nation and the world of arrogance," Ahmadinejad said, using Tehran's propaganda epithet for the United States and Israel. "Today, Palestinians are representing the Islamic nation against arrogance."

Iran does not recognise the existence of Israel and has often called for its destruction.

Harsh words for Israel are common in Iran, especially at this time of year, the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. In Iran, this Friday -- the last Muslim day of prayer in the Ramadan holiday -- has been declared Quds Day, or Jerusalem Day. Rallies were slated in support of Palestinians -- and against Israel's occupation of parts of the city and other Palestinian lands.

Other Iranian politicians also have issued anti-Israeli statements, in attempts to whip up support for Friday's nationwide Quds Day demonstrations.

Harsher words
But Ahmedinejad's strident anti-Israeli statements on the eve of the demonstration were harsher than those issued during the term of the reformist Khatami and harkened back to the fiery speeches of Ayatollah Khomeini.

Ahmadinejad was a long-time member of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards, which even operates a division dubbed the Quds Division, a rhetorical reference to Tehran's hopes of one day ending Israel's domination of Islam's third-holiest city.

After his election in August, Ahmadinejad received the support of the powerful hard-line Revolutionary Guards, who report directly to supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Last year, a senior member of the Guards attended a meeting that called for and accepted applications for suicide bombers to target US troops and Israelis.

Israel has been at the forefront of nations calling for an end to Iran's nuclear programme, which the US and many others in the West say is aimed at acquiring weapons of mass destruction.

Iran says the programme is for generating electricity.

Iran announced earlier this year that it had fully developed solid fuel technology for missiles, a major breakthrough that increases their accuracy.

The Shahab-3, with a range of 1 300km to more than 1 930km, is capable of delivering a nuclear warhead to Israel and US forces in the Middle East.

Link:http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx...national_news/

Interesting developements. Keep in mind Israel has already stated it would take decisive action if Iran continues with it's nuclear program.

Now we have Syria coming under heat for the assassination of the Lebanon PM, and Iran with Syria were named as part of the axis of evil by the US. Iran and Syria have formally declared an alliance in the past years, vowing to declare war if faced with any opposition from the US/Israel.

With Bush's adminstration coming under fire, the american economy being iffy, and seemingly the Islamic world trying to coerce an war, are we heading down a dark path in the upcoming years?
This doesn't seem like the common doomsayers scenario, we all knew it would only be a matter of time before the war on terrorism escalated into something so much more dangerous, are we finally seeing the tides of the change now?

***DarkAce*** · Oct 26th, 2005 11:38 PM

Israel calls for Iran's removal from U.N. following Iranian president's statement regarding the destruction of Israel; accuses Iran of advocating genocide. Worldwide condemnations of Iran ensue
Ronny Sofer

Danny Gillerman, Israel’s Ambassador to the U.N., demanded that the U.N. remove Iran from the organization, following Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's declaration Wednesday that Israel should be 'wiped off the map."

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon instructed the Foreign Ministry to activate Gillerman.

The PM has been urged to respond by Vice Premier Shimon Peres, who wrote in a letter to Sharon and Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom that "It is unacceptable that the leader of a state member of the U.N. advocates genocide." .

"This call goes against the U.N.'s treaty and constitutes a crime against humanity," Peres wrote.

"The words of the Iranian president are especially severe in light of Iran's attempts to develop nuclear arms and obtain long-range missiles. Israel must unequivocally demand of the U.N. and the security Council that Iran be removed from the organization," he wrote.

World leaders slam Iranian statements

Ahmadinejad's words have spurred a wave of harsh condemnation worldwide.

White House Spokesman Scott McClellan said Washington took Iran's statement seriously."It underscores the concerns we have about Iran's nuclear intentions," he told reporters.

Spain's Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos summoned Iran's ambassador to protest the comments.

The minister said in a statement he rejected the remarks in the strongest possible terms and added he had called for an urgent meeting with Iran's ambassador in Madrid.

France's Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy said he has invited the Iranian ambassador in his country for talks following the Iranian president's statements.

"If the reports are true, this is unfathomable. I completely condemn the statements," said Douste-Blazy.

Britain's Foreign Office said Wednesday it planned to protest "Sickening" Comments made by the
president of Iran calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

A British Foreign Office spokesman, who spoke on condition of anonymity in line with government policy, said the deadly suicide bombing which killed at least five people in

Israel Wednesday illustrated the "horrible reality" of the violence being praised by Ahmadinejad.

Canada strongly condemned Iran's president.

"This is the 21st century. We cannot tolerate comments of such hatred, such anti-Semitism, such intolerance," Foreign Minister Pierre Pettigrew told reporters.

'Iran – a clear and present danger'

Iran represents a clear and present danger to Israel, Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said during a press conference with his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov Wednesday.

"It is obvious that the country is trying to stall for time in order to develop nuclear weapons," he said.

"We believe that Russia and the international community should do whatever is in their powers to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear capabilities. A nuclear Iran will constitute a nightmare not only for Israel, but for Russia and the international community as well. Therefore Iran's case must be brought in front of the Security Council," Shalom said.

Lavrov stated that Russia has always maintained that Iran should be banned from having a nuclear bomb. "This is our firm standpoint on the matter, and we have often conveyed it to Iran in negotiations with the country," Lavrov said.

Sources in Israel have defined Iran's nuclear armament policy "a strategic risk," and said they fear that soon the country will reach a point of no return after which it will be capable of developing nuclear arms independently, without foreign assistance. This will free Iran of international monitoring and supervision.

Link:http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...159945,00.html

**Strife** · Oct 27th, 2005 3:08 AM

"A point of no return..." that really stuck out. Sounds like the beginning of the third (or fourth?) crusade. Hmm, tip of the iceberg.

**Rynotek** · Oct 27th, 2005 3:33 AM

1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies *not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001

2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

5. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

6. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.

7. "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969

8. "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

10. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."

11. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

12. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.

13. "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

14. "We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

15. "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

16. "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"

17. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

18. "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

19. Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.

20. "There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. [I] tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.

21. "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

22. "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

23. "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.

24. "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]

25. "We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).

26. "We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent." (Jewish Banker Paul Warburg, February 17, 1950, as he testified before the U.S. Senate).

27. "We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not...You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world." (Chaim Weizmann, Published in "Judische Rundschau," No. 4, 192

The guy is repeating what their most respected leader has said, its just Saber rattling .

*source www.whatreallyhappened.com*

***Mezurashi*** · Oct 27th, 2005 7:12 AM

Y'know, I support and sympathize with the Isreali's, but after all this crap of the past 15 years it makes me wonder if the world would not have been a better place if Hitler had succeeded in wiping out the Jewish race. Not to say I support any form of genocide - but would the Middle East be such a shithole if it hadn't been for the arrival of the displaced Jewish folk looking for their 2000 year old digs?

In the end, these days, we are letting the 'nation' of Isreal dictate the fate of an entire region. Very displaced, like the gap betwen wealthy and poor in the USA. Methinks the first Terrorist Nuke might end up being used on Tel Aviv, whereas I used to think that the USA was the most likely target.

**Strife** · Oct 27th, 2005 1:19 PM

Despite hard words from Iran, business continues with the tolerant Mother Land.
Russia launches Iran's first satellite Moscow's stance on Iran nuclear programme unchanged UPDATE

**Resentedhalo** · Oct 28th, 2005 8:35 AM

In my opinion if anyone is going to strike first it will be israel, I'm not sure if they would use a nuclear pre emptive strike or just an airstrike on known Iranian facilities. During the 50's and 60's the world faced the prospect of nuclear war with Russia, however that was mostly down to paranoia and confusion but with the current situation there isn't this factor. Iran and Israel do not care if nukes are used, they will attack eachother to the bitter end, not only that once israel has been attacked America and the Uk will step in and attack iran or whats left of it hence inciting china and russia to attack us, welcome to WW3 the war to end all wars.

Resentedhalo.

**Moishe3rd** · Oct 30th, 2005 1:13 AM

Originally Posted by Mezurashi

Y'know, I support and sympathize with the Isreali's, but after all this crap of the past 15 years it makes me wonder if the world would not have been a better place if Hitler had succeeded in wiping out the Jewish race. Not to say I support any form of genocide - but would the Middle East be such a shithole if it hadn't been for the arrival of the displaced Jewish folk looking for their 2000 year old digs?

In the end, these days, we are letting the 'nation' of Isreal dictate the fate of an entire region. Very displaced, like the gap betwen wealthy and poor in the USA. Methinks the first Terrorist Nuke might end up being used on Tel Aviv, whereas I used to think that the USA was the most likely target.

And ya know, I support and sympathize with the Left Wing Fruitcakes, but after surrendering America to the forces of Evil for the last 45 years, it makes me wonder if world would not have been a better place if Hitler had succeeded in winning World War II. Not to say I support any form of genocide - but would America and the world be such a shithole if hadn't been for the arrival of the United Nations Sixties Feel Me and Fuck Me Liberals looking for a place to screw the establishment?
In the end, these days, we are letting the Fucking Liberal Elite Mouths dictate the fate of an entire world. Very displaced, like the gap betwen the intelligent and the insane. Methinks the first Terrorist Nuke might end up being used on Hollywood, whereas I used to think that Israel was the most likely target.

***Mezurashi*** · Oct 30th, 2005 11:09 AM

roflmao - MOISHE!! Long time no flame! Nice to see you've not put me on ignore and still maintain your own brand of Looking Glass POV!!

Fight On! Out of Conflicting Opinions comes Possible Concensus so please keep hacking at me - and I like your play on words though the profanity detracts from the sincerity of your righteous anger. In future I recommend editing your posts to insure the pure thread comes through and is not encumbered by gratuitous, emotionally based, colourful metaphors which, though expressive, seem to indicate a rather pedantic and under-developed grasp of the subtleties of the language being used in communication.

and I speak as one for whom English is a Second Language.

but it is nice to hear from you again

**Moishe3rd** · Oct 30th, 2005 8:56 PM

Originally Posted by Mezurashi

roflmao - MOISHE!! Long time no flame! Nice to see you've not put me on ignore and still maintain your own brand of Looking Glass POV!!

Fight On! Out of Conflicting Opinions comes Possible Concensus so please keep hacking at me - and I like your play on words though the profanity detracts from the sincerity of your righteous anger. In future I recommend editing your posts to insure the pure thread comes through and is not encumbered by gratuitous, emotionally based, colourful metaphors which, though expressive, seem to indicate a rather pedantic and under-developed grasp of the subtleties of the language being used in communication.

and I speak as one for whom English is a Second Language.

but it is nice to hear from you again

Well, yes.
But, please understand, the profanity is merely to endow the Liberal philosophy of willful ignorance of any sort of reality, not to mention History, with an authentic touch, as you so aptly point out. Gratuitous, emotionally based, colourful metaphors which are without subtlety or context tend to be the only tools the rather empty, Leftist mindset has to offer in most cases...

***stewey*** · Oct 30th, 2005 9:58 PM

Originally Posted by Mezurashi

Y'know, I support and sympathize with the Isreali's, but after all this crap of the past 15 years it makes me wonder if the world would not have been a better place if Hitler had succeeded in wiping out the Jewish race. Not to say I support any form of genocide - but would the Middle East be such a shithole if it hadn't been for the arrival of the displaced Jewish folk looking for their 2000 year old digs?

In the end, these days, we are letting the 'nation' of Isreal dictate the fate of an entire region. Very displaced, like the gap betwen wealthy and poor in the USA. Methinks the first Terrorist Nuke might end up being used on Tel Aviv, whereas I used to think that the USA was the most likely target.

Gee thanks, I wonder if the next genocidal dictator is successful in wiping out your kind if that would make the world a better place too.

You do know that land was my people's first, right?

**Rynotek** · Oct 31st, 2005 3:46 AM

Maybe if Israel signed this
http://www.state.gov/t/np/trty/16281.htm

And then done some thing about these
http://www.middleeastnews.com/unresolutionslist.html

The world might start to soften its view on the little ME occupyier and provoker.

***DaSoviet*** · Nov 1st, 2005 7:21 AM

All these big words are making my head spin!

***Mezurashi*** · Nov 1st, 2005 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by stewey

Gee thanks, I wonder if the next genocidal dictator is successful in wiping out your kind if that would make the world a better place too.

You do know that land was my people's first, right?

Actually, my ancestral 'cousins' settled both North and South America so any genocidal land claims war would involve us slants wiping all whitey's off the face of the Earth (this includes Jewish Whitey, moishe).

We are the World's Majority - therefore by any of the stupidly applied 'social accountability' arguments all blacks, whites and non Orientals should be erased to make room for the Majority Rule.

And Orientals have had Civilization for over 6 000 years, back when most Whitey's were still figuring out how to invent the brick.

So, to use the arguments provided by those who defend Isreal, you LOSE because SOMEONE ELSE WAS THERE FIRST!!!!!

hee hee - I love the smell of napalm in the morning...

(and if no one noticed, my genocidal statement was meant to shake things up, too many bleeding hearts are justifying the Isreali Atrocity Policy for my taste).

***stewey*** · Nov 1st, 2005 5:27 PM

Are you sure that white people are the majority?

I am Jewish too, and took offense to your quote, but I can see your point of stirring up the conversation too.

**Moishe3rd** · Nov 1st, 2005 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Mezurashi

Actually, my ancestral 'cousins' settled both North and South America so any genocidal land claims war would involve us slants wiping all whitey's off the face of the Earth (this includes Jewish Whitey, moishe).

We are the World's Majority - therefore by any of the stupidly applied 'social accountability' arguments all blacks, whites and non Orientals should be erased to make room for the Majority Rule.

And Orientals have had Civilization for over 6 000 years, back when most Whitey's were still figuring out how to invent the brick.

So, to use the arguments provided by those who defend Isreal, you LOSE because SOMEONE ELSE WAS THERE FIRST!!!!!

hee hee - I love the smell of napalm in the morning...

(and if no one noticed, my genocidal statement was meant to shake things up, too many bleeding hearts are justifying the Isreali Atrocity Policy for my taste).

Oh goody. Jew baiting time...

Now, you have proven that you are one exciting guy, but can you dialogue?
Can you engage in... facts or perhaps real historical data... sigh...
Ahhh, tant pis...
And, monsieur grenouille, what is the Isreali (sic) Atrocity Policy?
Can you describe it? Bake it? Put it in the oven?

***Defiant Noquisi*** · Nov 2nd, 2005 6:02 PM

Originally Posted by Moishe3rd

Oh goody. Jew baiting time...

Now, you have proven that you are one exciting guy, but can you dialogue?
Can you engage in... facts or perhaps real historical data... sigh...
Ahhh, tant pis...
And, monsieur grenouille, what is the Isreali (sic) Atrocity Policy?
Can you describe it? Bake it? Put it in the oven?

Im sure he could do it alot better than you ever have. Jew baiting? Looks more like an excuse for arrogance to be posted.

To Sharon's credit he FINALLY made some things happen that had been agreed to and then demanded by the UN for years. I dont see Abbas saying a damn thing about stopping the Palestinian freedom fighters from commiting terrorism against Israel.

But then again, both sides are guilty of escalating their arrogant bullying into killing innocent people. I dont give a rats ass who did what, I still believe that "Israel" is occupied territory and by stealing the land like they did, they asked for it. The US had/has no business supporting terrorism no matter what country is commiting it and Israel is no more "innocent" that any other country in commiting acts of terrorism.

**Heathcote** · Dec 3rd, 2005 2:11 AM

Originally Posted by Moishe3rd

And ya know, I support and sympathize with the Left Wing Fruitcakes, but after surrendering America to the forces of Evil for the last 45 years, it makes me wonder if world would not have been a better place if Hitler had succeeded in winning World War II. Not to say I support any form of genocide - but would America and the world be such a shithole if hadn't been for the arrival of the United Nations Sixties Feel Me and Fuck Me Liberals looking for a place to screw the establishment?
In the end, these days, we are letting the Fucking Liberal Elite Mouths dictate the fate of an entire world. Very displaced, like the gap betwen the intelligent and the insane. Methinks the first Terrorist Nuke might end up being used on Hollywood, whereas I used to think that Israel was the most likely target.

You seem a bitter man who is, in reality, whining about the poor job Republicans have with their dominant position in US politics since WWII. Perhaps you would be happier in a Fascist State, which America is getting frighteningly close to

You also fall into the trap of using Partisanism as an excuse/reasoning for the progressive changes the CFR are imposing in the US through both Left and Right parties because the majority of influential policy makers are all in the same Club pushing for a One World Government.

Israel is a boil on the bum of the Middle East and irrespective of the biblical rights of Jews, they had no mandate to usurp the UN process in 1948 and steal a country by declaring Statehood before agreement was reached. To then turn out to be a rogue nation like South Africa or Zimbabwe proves Jews learned nothing from WWII other than to be more seperatist, exploitative and cruel.

There are many sane and moderate people on both sides of the argument over Palestinian land rights but it is down to the hardline nutters that no consensus on settlement has been reached.

Iran has a right to be upset with Israel but with Iran's powerful alliances, Israel may cause its own Armagheddon by attacking it. The US isnt up to fronting China, Russia and possibly Europe on Israels behalf.

Iran is confronting US dollar hegemony by starting a Euro based oil market soon, so this will force the US to action of some sort or face economic collapse. Maybe the Iranians are more confident than Americans in general would think. The nuclear issue is a blind to the economic issue coming up because Israel has hundreds of nuclear weapons if it ever dare use them. Their public profile round the world is pretty shabby in general already so that would kill their credibility completely.

***stewey*** · Dec 4th, 2005 6:05 PM

Originally Posted by Heathcote

You seem a bitter man who is, in reality, whining about the poor job Republicans have with their dominant position in US politics since WWII. Perhaps you would be happier in a Fascist State, which America is getting frighteningly close to

You also fall into the trap of using Partisanism as an excuse/reasoning for the progressive changes the CFR are imposing in the US through both Left and Right parties because the majority of influential policy makers are all in the same Club pushing for a One World Government.

Israel is a boil on the bum of the Middle East and irrespective of the biblical rights of Jews, they had no mandate to usurp the UN process in 1948 and steal a country by declaring Statehood before agreement was reached. To then turn out to be a rogue nation like South Africa or Zimbabwe proves Jews learned nothing from WWII other than to be more seperatist, exploitative and cruel.

There are many sane and moderate people on both sides of the argument over Palestinian land rights but it is down to the hardline nutters that no consensus on settlement has been reached.

Iran has a right to be upset with Israel but with Iran's powerful alliances, Israel may cause its own Armagheddon by attacking it. The US isnt up to fronting China, Russia and possibly Europe on Israels behalf.

Iran is confronting US dollar hegemony by starting a Euro based oil market soon, so this will force the US to action of some sort or face economic collapse. Maybe the Iranians are more confident than Americans in general would think. The nuclear issue is a blind to the economic issue coming up because Israel has hundreds of nuclear weapons if it ever dare use them. Their public profile round the world is pretty shabby in general already so that would kill their credibility completely.

After now reading this and your post about how Chavez is the greatest and how Capitalism is the epitomy of evil, I would like to ask you where do you live?

And yeah, all of us Jews are like that. I thought you lefties were the tolerant type?

***Defiant Noquisi*** · Dec 4th, 2005 7:44 PM

Originally Posted by stewey

And yeah, all of us Jews are like that. I thought you lefties were the tolerant type?

Oh phooey stewey! You're NOT all like that.

**Moishe3rd** · Dec 5th, 2005 2:28 PM

Originally Posted by Heathcote

You seem a bitter man who is, in reality, whining about the poor job Republicans have with their dominant position in US politics since WWII. Perhaps you would be happier in a Fascist State, which America is getting frighteningly close to

Oh yeah. Mean Mr. Mustard, that's me.

You also fall into the trap of using Partisanism as an excuse/reasoning for the progressive changes the CFR are imposing in the US through both Left and Right parties because the majority of influential policy makers are all in the same Club pushing for a One World Government.

Yeah, well damn. We's gonna have to get ourselfs rid o' CheneyBurton. He is screwin' up our ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT big time... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa!

Israel is a boil on the bum of the Middle East and irrespective of the biblical rights of Jews, they had no mandate to usurp the UN process in 1948 and steal a country by declaring Statehood before agreement was reached. To then turn out to be a rogue nation like South Africa or Zimbabwe proves Jews learned nothing from WWII other than to be more seperatist, exploitative and cruel.

So true. If they could have just gotten that WWII lesson throught their silly Hebe heads, the world would be so much better off... (Oh! The WWII lesson? Die.)

There are many sane and moderate people on both sides of the argument over Palestinian land rights but it is down to the hardline nutters that no consensus on settlement has been reached.

Oh yeah, those silly nutters. Keep on blowin' up things...

Iran has a right to be upset with Israel but with Iran's powerful alliances, Israel may cause its own Armagheddon by attacking it. The US isnt up to fronting China, Russia and possibly Europe on Israels behalf.

Yes, yes. Iran has such a long list of grievances against Israel. Surprized they haven't attacked Israel already... Oh, wait. They have.

Iran is confronting US dollar hegemony by starting a Euro based oil market soon, so this will force the US to action of some sort or face economic collapse. Maybe the Iranians are more confident than Americans in general would think. The nuclear issue is a blind to the economic issue coming up because Israel has hundreds of nuclear weapons if it ever dare use them. Their public profile round the world is pretty shabby in general already so that would kill their credibility completely

Yep. Iran's gonna cause the US economy to collapse and it is gonna really kill Israel's credibility after they obliterate Iran after it nukes Tel Aviv. Bet the Israelis are really worried about that credibility thing.... "Let's see, Iran nuked Tel Aviv.... Hmmm, well... if we retaliate, it's gonna wreak hell with our credibility.... Guess we'd better remember the lessons learned in WWII and just die...."

***Defiant Noquisi*** · Dec 5th, 2005 4:26 PM

Originally Posted by Heathcote

To then turn out to be a rogue nation like South Africa or Zimbabwe proves Jews learned nothing from WWII other than to be more seperatist, exploitative and cruel.

Welcome to the forums Heathcote. I hope you enjoy them and have had a chance to read about the many threads here.

I'll add the US to the rogue nation list as well. All the points you bring up in the above statement mirror what the US has become.

I'm dissappointed that you would believe all Jews think that way, many do not. To make that kind of statement about them after they have experienced such a horrible thing as genocide, that's pretty harsh. That's also grouping all Jews in a singular category when many would be offended that you would align them with anything resembling zionistic beliefs.

***stewey*** · Dec 5th, 2005 5:55 PM

Originally Posted by Defiant Noquisi

Welcome to the forums Heathcote. I hope you enjoy them and have had a chance to read about the many threads here.

I'll add the US to the rogue nation list as well. All the points you bring up in the above statement mirror what the US has become.

I'm dissappointed that you would believe all Jews think that way, many do not. To make that kind of statement about them after they have experienced such a horrible thing as genocide, that's pretty harsh. That's also grouping all Jews in a singular category when many would be offended that you would align them with anything resembling zionistic beliefs.

If you want to be technical, every nation can be considered a rogue nation. Except probably that one island that has a population of 48