Interesting 9/11 flash video...

[CurtisC]

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main

It really makes you think.

[stewey]

It's incorrect.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories:

Basically, every witness except 2 (out of 100+) described seeing a large plane. The two that didn't were too far away to be able to tell. Not a single eye witness EVER described seeing a missile (a few people said it SOUNDED like a missile, which is quite a big difference).

[koolbluecat]

No offense Stewey but are you a government official? Every time someone blows a hole into your belief in the official response of the USA you immediately dismiss it as bullshit. There are more than 2 witnesses that described hearing "something like a missile" and several eye witness accounts of there being no wreckage at the Pentagon. Why the fuck do you think those people would lie if they were there and seen it and heard it. You and the rest of the conservatives who frequent this website are nothing but jerks. Go ahead. Believe the "official account". Someday you'll KNOW differently.

[skweeks]

I agree, I mean who would actually see a missle anyways, you would only most likely hear it.They stick a few other planes in the area and then people think that it was a plane.You aint gonna see no missle flying that fast, but you will hear it.Yeah keep believing what the Gov. has fed you, you are what they want,people who don't think and just close thier eyes and follow the Leaders into oblivion.Maybe it takes a none american to actually see the bullshit that thier government is doing to them.Maybe we should hold an intervention of some sorts, as good friends should.
That's it!!! Canada needs to come to the table and wake all you Americans up(the mindless one's).
All i gotta say is that I hope someday soon the majority will wake up and smell the crap that is the white house.
G.

[stewey]

No offense Stewey but are you a government official? Every time someone blows a hole into your belief in the official response of the USA you immediately dismiss it as bullshit. There are more than 2 witnesses that described hearing "something like a missile" and several eye witness accounts of there being no wreckage at the Pentagon. Why the fuck do you think those people would lie if they were there and seen it and heard it. You and the rest of the conservatives who frequent this website are nothing but jerks. Go ahead. Believe the "official account". Someday you'll KNOW differently.

I am not a government official. I am a graduate student in Computer Science though.

Anyways, what does a missile sound like, in comparison to a regular plane? I am willing to bet that 99.999% of people cannot tell a difference. I know I sure couldn't. Also, there was wreckage at the Pentagon. Here is an article written by a conspiracy theorist about how the whole "missile hit the Pentagon" is all bogus (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/..._evidence.html)

[Metalcore]

doesn't matter wut anybody thinks there should not be any doubt about yer own gov't
being involved but guess wut there is take it from there.....there is more evidence that leads towards gov't then terrorists....lol my god god that is scary it is total domination
in the eyes of the beholder........ppl at work say diff't drop the bomb on em they say,blow up all those fukkers, jesus christ get with the program ppl i say to them we have scottish,english,polish all kinds of ppl at work they always say ther country is the best, why and the fuk do u live in canada when u dont like it? everybody hates somebody and that fukkin bothers me. I tell them to listen to dreamer by Ozzy and tell me that is not the most truethful thing u ever heard go ahead and listen to it doesn't matter if u like him or not, if we did wut that song said there would be peace peace peace......out 4 now....tim

[warrior woman]

Of course the govt. was involved. Maybe more involved than what anyone thinks. The "attack" helped sell G.W war machine, after scaring the bejesus out of the population. What a guy!!!!

[stewey]

Of course the govt. was involved. Maybe more involved than what anyone thinks. The "attack" helped sell G.W war machine, after scaring the bejesus out of the population. What a guy!!!!

If you go by your logic, pharmaceutical companies are responsible for every illness out there.

And there is much more evidence that points to Al Queda doing it than the government.

[mick13]

Care to provide us with that 'evidence'?

The tiny hole. No debris. Perfect lawn.

Personally I think it was a smaller military jet. Which launched a missile off at the last second. It could easily have been painted to look like the companies colours, the same with the plane that hit the South Tower.

Explain the hole in the 3rd ring of the Pentagon. How could a plane do that?



(Sorry if all this has been discussed, I don't really have time to read through 17 pages of replies...in some cases, very long replies.)

[stewey]

Care to provide us with that 'evidence'?

The tiny hole. No debris. Perfect lawn.

Personally I think it was a smaller military jet. Which launched a missile off at the last second. It could easily have been painted to look like the companies colours, the same with the plane that hit the South Tower.

Explain the hole in the 3rd ring of the Pentagon. How could a plane do that?



(Sorry if all this has been discussed, I don't really have time to read through 17 pages of replies...in some cases, very long replies.)

The tiny hole is because the wings on a plane are designed to fall off easily incase of a crash, to prevent damage. There was debris, and the lawn was charred near the plane. In plane crashes, grass is not always destroyed. Do a google image search. Also, programming a jet to fire a missile at the last second is impossible not only through the laws of thermodynamics, but programming it would be near impossible with the other variables that affect a plane (ie wind, altitude, etc).

[Perfectionist]

There is no such thing as conspiracies ..... only logic ..... :)

Using logic will reveal Bush has gained everything he wanted from 911 :
- conquest of Iraq
- greater control of Oil supply
- immense profits from Iraqi re-building contracts
- greater Defence spending / profiteering
- military bases in the Middle East
- demonstration of American military will / might
- greater powers given to FBI / CIA / NSA etc
- protection of Dollar hedgemony
- excuse for Federal Reserve to keep printing money
- excuse for the National Debt ceiling levels to be raised
- distraction from state of the economy
- public support / fearful voters
- worldwide sympathy = tolerance of future actions
- new National Public Enemy Number 1
- etc etc etc

[shawnee]

Oh for crap sakes. Bin Laden ADMITTED he pulled off 9/11. Give it a rest...you sound like the French.

[Now]

Hey shawnee, here's an article you should probably read. It is from Kevin Barrett, who holds a Ph.D. in Arabic, with a focus on Islamic studies, from the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Here's the link so you can read it for yourself.

http://www.unknownnews.org/060214a-Barrett.html

Bin Laden tapes are as phony as Sept. 11's connection to Islam

by Kevin Barrett, The Capital Times [Madison, WI]

Feb. 14, 2006

As a Ph.D. Islamologist and Arabist I really hate to say this, but I'll say it anyway: 9/11 had nothing to do with Islam. The war on terror is as phony as the latest Osama bin Laden tape.

The trouble is, it's all based on a Big Lie. Take the recent "bin Laden" tape, please! That voice was no more bin Laden than it was Rodney Dangerfield channeling my late Aunt Corinne from Peoria. I recently helped translate a previously unknown bin Laden tape, a real one from the early '90s, back when he was still alive. I know the guy's flowery religious rhetoric. The recent tape wasn't him.

The top American bin Laden expert agrees. Professor Bruce Lawrence, head of Duke University's religious studies department, has just published a book of translations of bin Laden's speeches. He says that the recent tape is a fake and that it is possible bin Laden is not even alive.

Fake bin Laden tapes, "verified" by the CIA, are nothing new. Every supposed bin Laden statement since 2001 has been blatantly bogus. The last we heard from the real bin Laden came in his post-9/11 statements to Pakistani journalists:

"I stress that I have not carried out this act, which appears to have been carried out by individuals with their own motivation. ... I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. ... I had no knowledge of these attacks."

Then on Dec. 13, 2001, as George Bush was whining about the "outrageous conspiracy theories" that were spreading like wildfire, the first and shoddiest of the "bin Laden speaks from beyond the grave" tapes appeared. The video's sound and picture quality were horrible. It showed a big guy with a black beard, doing a passable imitation of bin Laden's voice, claiming foreknowledge, if not responsibility, for the 9/11 attacks, and chortling over their success. The trouble was, the big guy clearly was not bin Laden. He was at least 40 or 50 pounds heavier, and his facial features were obviously different.

The "Fatty bin Laden" tape was widely ridiculed, and I have yet to meet an informed observer who considers it authentic. (If you haven't figured this out yet, go back and look at the images from the tape and compare them to other images of bin Laden.) But the media let the fraud pass without asking the hard questions: Why was the U.S. government waving this blatantly fake "confession" video in our faces?

Perhaps due to the widespread hilarity evoked by "Fatty bin Laden," the next Osama from beyond the grave message had no images it was an audiotape delivered to al-Jazeera in fall 2002. The CIA verified it as authentic and then got a rotten egg in the face when the world's foremost voice identification experts in Switzerland reported that "the message was recorded by an impostor."

Every bin Laden message since then has been equally phony. They are released at moments when the Bush regime needs a boost and the American media go along with the fraud. Remember the bogus bin Laden tape that made headlines right before the 2004 presidential election? If you didn't figure out that it was a CIA-produced commercial for George Bush, I have some great bridges to sell you. Walter Cronkite, bless his heart, opined that Karl Rove was behind that tape. But the rest of the media just kept pretending that the emperor was clothed.

And the fraud continues. The most recent alleged bin Laden tape has been ridiculed by America's top bin Laden expert, yet the U.S. media keep right on holding a transparent fig leaf in front of the emperor! Professor Lawrence believes that this phony tape was designed to distract world opinion from the horrific massacre of Pakistani civilians by an errant CIA drone. But it may have another, more sinister purpose: to prepare public opinion for another false 9/11-style attack designed to trigger a U.S.-Israeli nuclear attack on Iran.

The real bin Laden, who insisted that he had nothing to do with 9/11, has been dead since late 2001 or early 2002. The fake messages have been fabricated by "al-CIA-duh" to support the Bush regime and its phony "war on terror." It is time for Americans to rise up in revolt against the fake terror masters who are looting U.S. taxpayers, torching our Constitution, destroying our economy, and threatening nuclear Armageddon.

[Blake]

I'm with Curtis on this one... The goverment always hides this shit from America. I figured you guys would know that.

[Perfectionist]

Oh for crap sakes. Bin Laden ADMITTED he pulled off 9/11. Give it a rest...you sound like the French.

Logic, Dude Logic !!

Has America ever supported/financed terrorists .... YES !!
Has America ever manipulated terrorists for their own ends ..... YES !!
Was Bin Laden "used" by the Americans to do their dirty work ..... FRIKKIN YES !!

Besides ..... how do you actually know Bin Laden admitted to doing it ??

YOU SAW IT ON TELEVISION !!

Naturally if its on TV ..... it MUST be true !!!!

[mick13]

The tiny hole is because the wings on a plane are designed to fall off easily incase of a crash, to prevent damage. There was debris, and the lawn was charred near the plane. In plane crashes, grass is not always destroyed. Do a google image search. Also, programming a jet to fire a missile at the last second is impossible not only through the laws of thermodynamics, but programming it would be near impossible with the other variables that affect a plane (ie wind, altitude, etc).

Then where are the wings....?

Also, that hole isn't the entrance hole, it's like the 3rd inner ring of the Pentagon.

[krakatoa]

hahahahahh good answer. Mick13. That does'nt imply that i believe conspiracy theory, the only thing I feel right now, is everything is possible, and you dont have to be on armageddon on line to think that way, some of my family members, think this way to, never went to armageddon on line, or anything resemble AOL.

[Now]

Also, programming a jet to fire a missile at the last second is impossible not only through the laws of thermodynamics, but programming it would be near impossible with the other variables that affect a plane (ie wind, altitude, etc).

What would be virtually impossible is for a goat herder with a few hours training in a Cessna to perform the sort of Top Gun flying required to control a commercial jet loaded with fuel to do what the 9/11 Commission report says it did. Flying at 20 feet at around 400mph! Now THAT'S a conspiracy theory that's hard to prove! It's certainly impossible to believe! And after all that planning and miraculous spontaneous flying ability, they go and hit the one section of the Pentagon that was under renovation!!!

If it were the case, why wouldn't they be releasing the footage of this incredible feat as proof of what happened? Why was the footage from the gas station confiscated within 5 minutes of the impact and never shown to the public? Why was the footage from the Sheraton confiscated within 15 minutes of the impact and never shown to the public? Why has the footage from the numerous Pentagon security cameras never been shown to the public? We've seen 5 frames of footage that shows an explosion, that's it! Doesn't this make you the least bit suspicious, or are you simply prepared to believe this ridiculous story without any further investigation, because that's what they said on television, and the mass media and the government would never lie, even though they've both been caught out lying on innumerable occassions?

Now.

[Death from above]

Now, in almost every thread...ppl are saying that USA set up the attacks to wage war...

But then if someone bombed u with planes...what wud u do?

[ChosenOne]

I do strongly believe that it could have been a missile. I think most people may not know exactly what a missile sounds like, but they would know what a plane sounds like. My questions are 1) What would the Government have to gain by hiding the truth? Was this a mistake made perhaps by our own military? and 2) Where the heck is the plane if this was a missile? Does that mean there's a chance all those people are actually alive?

[emeth]

Here's one theory:

Guns Oil Drugs Debt

You can read about it here: www.wtc7.net

[Now]

Now, in almost every thread...ppl are saying that USA set up the attacks to wage war...

But then if someone bombed u with planes...what wud u do?

The question should be, if you found out that the US government was complicit in the planning and execution of the events of 9/11, what would you do? Especially when you consider the number of people who have died on both sides in two invasions since the events.

Now.

[Now]

I do strongly believe that it could have been a missile. I think most people may not know exactly what a missile sounds like, but they would know what a plane sounds like. My questions are 1) What would the Government have to gain by hiding the truth? Was this a mistake made perhaps by our own military? and 2) Where the heck is the plane if this was a missile? Does that mean there's a chance all those people are actually alive?

Since all of the events of 9/11 are undoubtedly connected, whoever was responsible for one part was responsible for all of it. So if there's something fishy at the Pentagon, then there's something fishy about the WTC1, 2 & 7, and vice versa. There is so much that is fishy about WTC7, that it would suggest the rest is just as suspect. If it were the US government, which is obviously the greatest suspicion considering the number of lies they have told about invading Iraq and in the 9/11 Commission report, then what they have to gain by hiding the truth is that they stop themselves from being tried in the Hague as war criminals and being hanged. For starters. But what they also gain is massive profits from war, control of oil, the protection of Israel, carte blanche to invade sovereign nations and instilling fear in order to manipulate the masses into doing anything they want. So that's trillions of dollars, a massive power boost, and safety for the Zionists who have infiltrated the White House. Not a bad days work. But very sad for those who died, including the innocent civilians in Iraq who had absolutely nothing to do with any of it.

Now.

[D34DGuY]

I do live in the US, and I do believe at the very least that the government had foreknowledge and allowed this to happen. If not have commited the entire act internally. There is way too many things about this whole situation that point in a terrible direction. Remember this terror has been used for hundreds of years now to con the masses. As a pretext to isntall fear, and submission. 9-11 was our reichstag fire. Wake up people.

[g2048]

Even if it was an internal job, or that it was aloud by the US, we will never find out the truth, only when where all dead will the next generation know the truth.

Politicians are very powerful and people with incriminating information can have accidents.