God and Devil old forgotten loosers.

**CruelGrenadier** · Mar 11th, 2006 8:36 PM

Freud points out overvaluing thinking and considering it omnipotent, as well as a strong belief on the power of desire, is characteristic of the minds in pre-lettered societies. He summarizes: "The principle that conducts magic, the animist modality of thinking, is the principle of the omnipotence of thinking" .
Rather prudently, he adds: "The fear that psychoanalysis might be tempted to credit to a single source something as complicated as the origin of religion is baseless (...). Only when we are able to organize the findings of different research fields will it be possible to grasp the relative importance of the role of the mechanism studied above in the genesis of religions"
In Civilization and its discontent, Freud says: "Thus religion would be a universal obsessive neurosis of humankind. Just like the obsessive neurosis in children, it springs from the Oedipus complex, the relationship with the father. Should this concept be correct, distancing from religion should be as inevitable as the process of growing and we are in this junction, in the middle of this development phase"
We can observe that Freud places the function of omnipotence in pre-lettered societies but that even in his geniality he was caught in the trap of the omnipotence of thinking. He considered the Oedipus complex a model for explaining everything and attributed to thinking the power of deciphering the future of religion.
Jung, although a religious man, adopted a scientific posture in his researches. From his extensive works on religion and religiosity, we can summarize a few notions:
Archetypes are universal elements pertaining to the faculties of imagination and creativity. They have no specific content and have been inherited since ancestral times.
Such psychic structures are as timeless and universal as the categories and, since they are intrinsic to humans, do not depend on family or ethnic organizations.
Jung traces parallels between the theories of reincarnation and rebirth, and the archetypes. Archetypes tend to be reborn from the unconscious into consciousness with all their universal animistic content in order to provide the person with a holistic approach to Being and help her towards individuation, which is the path to her development.
Religion is the – voluntary or involuntary – relationship between the person and the absolute and most powerful value, be it positive or negative. This overpowering psychic factor is named God.
Consciousness can get nearer to the archetypes by the exploration of the unconscious, when the individual is confronted with the basic contradiction of human nature and experiences the opposites of light and darkness, God and the Devil.
Jung's postulations point only to the existence of an archetypal image of God, not to an entity in itself separated from humankind.
According to Jung, the archetypal images of God expressed in human terms show intrinsic evil and good in dynamic relationship.(1) Again we can see the omnipotence as function, which according to Jung is inherent to the archetypes constructed by humans along history.
History and the philosophy of history offer us precious tools to acquire knowledge. The philosophy of history can explain sequences of events as part of movements along lines of force, as opposite to incoherent or accidental happenings. Historicism can be considered a philosophical method which tries to explain through history the most relevant changes in moral, religion and justice.

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***Philosopher Foelhe*** · Mar 11th, 2006 8:57 PM

... Didn't you just post this in another thread?

**CruelGrenadier** · Mar 12th, 2006 2:58 AM

Communism is very popular among eastern nations becoarse of coincidence with the ideas of Konfuziy.In some countries Lenin was substituter of Jesus Khrist. Schould we say about Communism as a young Religion?

***B.NyeTheUruk-Hai*** · Mar 12th, 2006 9:02 AM

Aww, jeebus. We've got another Solve et Coagula here. *Sigh*...

***Protostar*** · Mar 12th, 2006 5:22 PM

Well first of all Jesus spoke THROUGH god, always speaking in regards to god.
And If you think the devil is dead, watch the "based on a true story" exorcism of emily rose. wink.

***Sammy56*** · Mar 12th, 2006 10:31 PM

Maybe it's just me, but I really do not understand the point CruelGrenadier is trying to make in this thread? Can anyone explain.

**CruelGrenadier** · Mar 14th, 2006 7:22 AM

Originally Posted by Protostar

Well first of all Jesus spoke THROUGH god, always speaking in regards to god.
And If you think the devil is dead, watch the "based on a true story" exorcism of emily rose. wink.

This literature helps "to realise" nature of God and Devil:.

LUKOFF, D., LU, F. e TURNER, R. P. Toward a more culturally sensitive DSM-IV: psychoreligious and psychospiritual problems. J. Nerv. Des. 180; 673-682, 1992.

MAGEE, Bryan. (Karl Popper). Sгo Paulo: Cultrix, 1973.

MELLO FRANCO, O. de. Religious experience and psychoanalysis: from man-as-god to man-with-god. Int. J. of Psychoanalysis (1998) 79, 113.