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Mar 28th, 2006 3:05 PM #1
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Profet Muhammad (peace be upon him) in BIBLE..!
Do you know that Profet Mohammad was pointed to in BIBLE many times?..!
If you dont believe..continue reading this praragraph plz..as an example
" And he (Moses) said : The Lord came from Sinai, and rose from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount PARAN, and he came with TEN THOUSAND SAINTS, from his right hand went a fiery LAW for them."
(Deuteronomy 33 : 2)
# The Lord came from Sinai : It’s referring to Moses (pbuh) because "Sinai" is a mountain in Egypt.
# And rose from Seir unto them : It’s referring to Jesus (pbuh) because "Seir" is a mountain near "Beit Lehem" (a city in Palestine where Jesus (pbuh) was born).
# He shined forth from mount Paran : It’s referring to Muhammed (pbuh) because "Paran" is a mountain in Arabia of Saoudia, especially very near the "Holy-City-Mekkah". We must not forget that Ishmael (from whom Muhammed came) including his mother "Hagar" lived together there in PARAN. Let you read Genesis 21: 20/21
# He came with 10 000 Saints : It’s referring to the historical-Conquest Of the "Holy-City-Mekkah".The Holy-Prophet Muhammed was indeed accompanied by EXACTLY 10 000 of veritable-followers at the conquest of the "Holy-Mekkah". In the Bible of King James Version, we read exactly: "and he came with TEN THOUSAND saints".
But if we do a quick look in the other versions of the Bible, we notice clearly that this phrase "and he came with ten thousand saints" is totally erased and omitted !!!!!! Here, a question arises :
During the translation, The writer of the King James Version, and the other writers of the other Bibles, Were they not copying from the same origin-Bible written in Hebrew ??!!!! Of course they were !!! BUT, Why did they not mention : "he came with ten thousand saints" ??. Surely they did omit it deliberately because they do know well the story and the details about the life of Muhammed (pbuh), but they do not want to let any sign referring to Muhammed (pbuh) in the Bible. This is also another proof confirming the counterfeit and the falsification of the Bible : let you read my letter "is the present-Bible God's word ?? for more proves !!
# From his right hand went a fiery law for them : It is referring to the Holy-Quran which the "Spirit of Truth" Muhammed (pbuh) has revealed to us, and in this Holy-Quran, there is the Law of ISLAM abolishing the former-law that Moses (pbuh) had brought to his nation.
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Mar 29th, 2006 7:17 PM #2
Sorry to disagree, but its not ,in no way talking about mohammed.
Now this is the blessing with which moses, the man of god blessed the sons of ISRAEL before his death.
If you want references to ishmael, abrahams first born, read the answers in GENESIS.- 16:11-16,
25:12-18And those castles made of sand,
fall into the sea.....................
Apr 2nd, 2006 10:11 PM #3
That reference is in fact to Mohammed, as are one thousand other references in the Old and New Testaments.
Care to see for yourself?His Faithful Servant
Apr 3rd, 2006 2:49 AM #4
The content of this thread is why wars are fought and ppl are tortured and killed.
All over the bullshit regarding the origins/mention of the imaginary friend of my fellow humans.
It's sickening to the highest degree, but it's true.
BTW - Fuq religion. and fuq that pedophile muhammed too!
Last edited by mickydoolittle; Apr 3rd, 2006 at 2:56 AM."micky 'I'm an opinionated bastard' doolittle
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Apr 3rd, 2006 5:38 AM #5
Originally Posted by sara
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And Paran is just another place where the laws of Natural Selection run rampant, so it is one more place where Darwin's idea "comes" from.
The fiery law is simply Natural Law. It's fiery because it's so controversial.
And I could go on. Hopefully, some one will get the point.
Apr 3rd, 2006 7:12 AM #6Originally Posted by Godsgifttomankind
wasnt he born 500 years after the last book of the NT was written?And those castles made of sand,
fall into the sea.....................
Apr 3rd, 2006 9:06 AM #7
Hello Jeff and thank=you for your reply,
Originally Posted by jeffweeder
The name Mohammed means to stand, specifically as an appointed position such as a pillar. The Hebrew derivation corresponds to strong's number 4612 which is a specific derivation of 5975 which is Ahmad. Sara will tell you that in fact Ahmad and Mahmoud are all derivations of Mohammed. These are specific instances were the name of Mohammed is mentioned and we can also look at prophecy was clearly fulfilled by Mohammed and Islam.
If you go to Psalms 84 it is for the sons of Korah, Korah was an Edomite and it is in Edom that one finds the valley of Baca, which is another name for Mecca
Psalms 84:5 Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them.
84:6 Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools.
Paran is found within Edom and so it is that we must find our way to what has been promised for Edom.His Faithful Servant
Apr 9th, 2006 7:30 PM #8
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Muhammed (pbuh) In The Bible
Almost all previous Prophets predicted Prophet Muhammad, upon him be peace and blessings. Despite the distortions suffered by the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospels, we find indications of his coming.
For example, the Torah promises the coming of the Prophet Muhammad, upon him be peace and blessings:
The Lord said to me [Moses]: "What they say is good. I will raise up for them a Prophet like you among their brothers; I will put My words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to My words that the Prophet speaks in My Name, I will Myself call him to account." (Deuteronomy 18:17–19)
The phrase: a Prophet like you among their brothers clearly refers to a Prophet from the line of Ishmael, the brother of Isaac, who is the forefather of Moses' people (the Children of Israel). The only Prophet who came from this line after Moses and resembled him in many ways (e.g., bringing a new law and waging war on his enemies), is Prophet Muhammad, upon him be peace and blessings. Also, Deuteronomy 34:10 clearly states that no Prophet like Moses ever appeared among the Israelites: "[With respect to his virtues and awesome deeds,] a Prophet like Moses, whom the Lord knows face to face, no longer appeared among Israel." The Qur'an points to the same fact: We have sent to you a Messenger as a witness over you, even as We sent to Pharaoh a Messenger (73:15).
The sentence: I will put My words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him, in the above Biblical verse, means that the promised Prophet will be unlettered and speak whatever is revealed to him. God states this in the Qur'an: He does not speak out of [his own] desire. It is but a Revelation revealed (53:3–4).
The following verse, The Lord came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; He shone forth from Mount Paran (Deuteronomy, 33:2), refers to the Prophethood of Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad, respectively, upon them be peace. Prophet Moses spoke to God and received the Torah at Sinai; Prophet Jesus received Divine Revelation at Seir, a place in Palestine; and God manifested Himself to humanity for the last time through His Revelation to Prophet Muhammad, upon him be peace and blessings, at Paran, a mountain range near Makka. The Torah mentions (Genesis 21:21) Paran as the desert area where Prophet Abraham, upon him be peace, left Hagar and their son Ishmael. The Zamzam well also is located there. As stated explicitly in the Qur'an (14:35–37), Abraham left them in the valley of Makka, at that time an uninhabited place within Paran's mountain ranges.
The verse in Deuteronomy, according to the Arabic version published in London (1944) and the Ottoman Turkish version (Istanbul: 1885), continues: He came with myriads of holy ones; in his right hand appeared to them the fire of the Shari'a. This verse refers to the promised Prophet, Muhammad, upon him be peace and blessings, who would have numerous Companions of the highest degree of sainthood. The fire of the Shari'a alludes to the fact that he would be allowed, even ordered, to fight his enemies.
Apr 9th, 2006 7:35 PM #9
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In the Gospel of Matthew, we come across an interesting verse in which Jesus said:
Have you never read in the Scriptures: "The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes? Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed." (Matthew 21:42–44)
This capstone cannot be Prophet Jesus, for the verses refer to crushing victories won by the "capstone's" followers. No people were ever crushed because they resisted Christianity. Christianity spread in the Roman Empire only after it underwent some changes and was reconciled with Roman religion(s). Western dominion of the world came via scientific thought's triumph over the Medieval Church, and took the form of ruthless colonialism.
Islam, on the other hand, ruled almost half of the Old World for centuries. Its original purity was never diluted, its enemies were defeated many times, and it successfully defended itself against Christianity. Currently, Islam is once again rising as a pure, authentic religion, way of life, and hope for human salvation. Moreover, Prophet Jesus himself alludes to this by stating that the kingdom of God will be taken away from his followers and given to a people who will produce its fruit, as seen above.
Moreover, in a telling detail recorded in Sahih al-Bukhari and Muslim, Prophet Muhammad, upon him be peace and blessings, describes himself as the "capstone," thereby completing the building of Prophethood.
Another reference to the Prophet, upon him be peace and blessings, is found in the Gospel of John: Who is "the Paraklit, the Spirit of Truth," referred to by Jesus in the following verse:
But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Paraklit will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment. (John 16:7-8)
In these verses, Prophet Muhammad, upon him be peace and blessings, is referred to as Paraklit, a Greek word meaning "the Distinguisher between Truth and Falsehood." Christian interpreters have given this word different meanings, such as "Counselor" (Gideon's International), "Helper" (American Bible Society), or "Comforter" (The Company of the Holy Bible), and claimed that it refers to the Holy Spirit. But they have never been able to establish whether the Holy Spirit came and did what Jesus foretold it would do.
If, according to Christians, the Holy Spirit is Archangel Gabriel, he came many times to Prophet Muhammad to bring Divine Revelation. Further, Jesus mentioned and predicted the Paraklit with various names, but always with the same function, as seen in the following verses:
When the Paraklit comes—the Spirit of Truth—who comes from the Father, he will testify about me. (John 15:26)
I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of Truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will bring glory to me by taking what is mine and making it known to you (John 16:12–14)
These are only a few of the Bible's allusions to Prophet Muhammad, upon him be peace and blessings. The late Hussayn Jisri found 114 such allusions and quoted them in his Risala al-Hamidiya.
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Apr 11th, 2006 5:48 PM #10
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A Companion once asked God's Messenger to talk about himself. The Messenger remarked: "I am the one for whose coming Abraham prayed and of whom Jesus gave glad tidings."  This alludes to the following Qur'anic verses:
(Abraham prayed): "Our Lord, raise up in their midst a Messenger from among them who shall recite unto them Your signs, and teach them the Book and Wisdom, and purify them. Verily you are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise." (2:129)
When Jesus, son of Mary, said: "O children of Israel! I am indeed a Messenger of God to you, confirming that which was [revealed] before me in the Torah, and bringing good tidings of a Messenger who shall come after me, whose name is Ahmad [the Praised One]." (61:6)
The Messenger of God was expected. All preceding Prophets spoke of and predicted his coming. The Qur'an (3:81) specifically states that God made a covenant with the Prophets that they would believe in and help the Messenger who would come after them and confirm the Message that they brought. 
Although subjected to distortion and alteration, the current versions of the Torah, the Gospel, and the Psalms still contain verses alluding to Prophet Muhammad. The late Husayn Jisri found 114 such allusions and quoted them in his Risala al-Hamidiya. We cite a few examples here, beginning with: The Lord came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; He shone forth from Mount Paran (Deuteronomy 33:2).
This refers to the Prophethood of Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad, respectively. Sinai is where Prophet Moses spoke to God and received the Torah. Seir, a place in Palestine, is where Prophet Jesus received Divine Revelation. Paran is where God manifested Himself to humanity for the last time through His Revelation to Prophet Muhammad.
Apr 11th, 2006 5:50 PM #11
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Paran is a mountain range in Makka. It is mentioned in the Torah (Genesis 21:19–21) as the desert area where Hagar was left by her husband Abraham to live with her son Ishmael. The Zamzam well also is located there. As stated in the Qur'an (14:35–37), Abraham left Hagar and Ishmael in the valley of Makka, which was then an uninhabited place between the mountain ranges of Paran.
It is because of such explicit predictions in the Torah that the Jews were expecting the Last Prophet and knew that he would appear in Makka.
The verse of Deuteronomy, according to the Arabic version published in London in 1944, continues: He came with myriads of holy ones; in his right hand was an axe of fire with two edges. This verse refers to the promised Prophet, who would have numerous Companions of the highest degree of sainthood and would be allowed—even ordered—to fight his enemies.
The following verses also promise his coming of:
The Lord said to me [Moses]: "What they say is good. I will raise up for them a Prophet like you among their brothers; I will put My words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to My words that the Prophet speaks in My name, I will Myself call him to account." (Deuteronomy 18:17–19)
It is clear from these verses that a Prophet like you among their brothers means a Prophet from Ishmael's line, for Ishmael is the brother of Isaac, the forefather of the Children of Israel. The only Prophet who came after Moses and resembled him in many ways (e.g., bringing a new law and waging war against his enemies) is Prophet Muhammad. The Qur'an points to the same fact: We have sent to you a Messenger as a witness over you, even as we sent to Pharaoh a Messenger (73:15).
'Abd Allah ibn 'Amr, an ascetic warned by the Prophet not to neglect sleeping with his wife and to fast only on alternate days, is reported to have said: "It was common knowledge to the communities of previous religions that God would send a Prophet to humanity as a bearer of good tidings and a warner. I personally read in the Torah these verses about him:
We have sent you, O Prophet, to humanity as a bearer of good tidings and a warner, and as a support and refuge for the common folk. You are My servant and Messenger. I have called you Mutawakkil [the one who puts his trust in God]. He is not one rude, repelling and angry, and shouting in the streets. He does not repel evil with evil; instead, he excuses and forgives. God will not make him die before He guides through him the deviating nation to the right path by declaring there is no deity but God." 
This report was confirmed by 'Abd Allah ibn Salam and Ka'b al-Akhbar, the most learned scholars of the Jewish community at the time of the Prophet. They later converted to Islam.
We also read about Muhammad in the Psalms of David:
He will rule from sea to sea and from the river to the ends of the Earth. The desert tribes will bow before him, and his enemies will lick the dust. The kings of Tarsish and of distant shores will bring tribute to him; the kings of Sheba and Seba will present gifts to him. All kings will bow down to him and all nations will serve him, for he will deliver the needy who cry out, the afflicted who have no one to help. He will take pity on the weak and the needy, and save the needy from death. He will rescue them from oppression and violence, for precious is their blood in his sight. Long may he live! May gold from Sheba be given to him. May people ever pray for him and bless him all day long. Let corn abound throughout the land; on the tops of the hills may it sway. May his name endure for ever; may it continue as long as the sun. All nations will be blessed through him, and they will call him blessed. (Psalms 72:8–17)
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