Israel

[JOEBIALEK]

In a recent publication of U.S. News and World Report, David Gergen wrote an editorial titled "An Unfair Attack". In the article he issues a rebuttal to an article written by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walttitles {"The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy"}. Gergen states the following: "In essence, their 82-page piece argues that U.S. policy in the Middle East has been hijacked by a pro-Israel "Lobby." "The core of the Lobby," they say, "is comprised of American Jews who make a significant effort in their daily lives to bend U.S. foreign policy so that it advances Israel's interests." As a result, "the United States has a terrorism problem in good part because it is so closely allied with Israel." I agree with Mearsheimer and Walttitles.

Back in 1948 when the Jewish state of Israel was created, the United States and Britain agreed to allow it to exist in its present place of location. Evidently no thought was given to the long term effects of creating such a state in the middle of so many Arab countries. It would have been wiser to use this land to create a place where all three major religions could visit to practice their faiths but not be allowed to reside their. The State of Israel should have been established anywhere but the Middle East. Consequently, the United States has obligated itself to support a so-called democratic Jewish state against potential threats from the Arab monarchial dictatorships. This has indeed opened the door to undue influence from the "Jewish lobby" not only on U.S. policy in the Middle East but also on domestic policy as well. Few could doubt the negative influence they have on the media and the entertainment industry.

As for negative stereotypes, the Jews have been known to create their own. Everything from their materialistic money mongering to their history of being forcefully removed from so many countries. It always seems very ironic that the Jews continue to decry themselves as the only victims of a holocaust where in fact their own bible describes in detail how they massacred many nations and cultures. Some historians believe it was their investment money that helped sponsor the African slave trade. Even their own Talmud states that "Jesus is in hell and is being punished by being boiled in semen." Still further, while the Jews advocate diversity in the United States, only those born into Jewish families may attain citizenship in Israel. Mearsheimer and Walttitles are right and therefore the United States should withdraw from its support of Israel. Perhaps then will the so-called chosen people wisen up and learn to get along peacefully with the rest of the world.

[Raptor Witness]

Jesus boiled? I don't think so. Not my Lord. He ejaculated the stars, maybe.

As for Israel being THE problem. Of course it is. Is it not written, that Jerusalem would be the rock that the whole world would cut itself on? Is this because of the Israelites living in the land now? NOOOOOOOO.

God is setting up a conflict, in order to show His power by fighting for His Holy name. Eze. 37-38. Nothing on this earth can stop it, but the American Goat is trying. Is it not the goats who say at the end of time, Peace, Peace, but there is none? Why? He wants to extend his kingdom. God doesn't want Bush peace. He will establish His own Kingdom, by His own power and majesty. It has little to do with the human beings now living in the land. It has everything to do with His NAME.

[Kiehlroy]

Anyways......You do not have to be Jewish to become an Israeli citizen.

" Acquisition of Israeli Nationality

Israel's Nationality Law relates to anyone wishing to settle in Israel, as well as those already residing or born there, regardless of race, religion, creed, sex or political beliefs. Citizenship may be acquired by:
# Birth
# The Law of Return
# Residence
# Naturalization

Acquisition of Nationality by Naturalization:

Adults may acquire Israeli citizenship by naturalization at the discretion of the Minister of the Interior and subject to a number of requirements, such as:

# they must have resided in Israel for three years out of five years preceding the day of submission of the application;

# they are entitled to reside in Israel permanently and have settled or intended to settle in Israel;

# they have renounced their prior nationality, or have proved that they will cease to be foreign nationals upon becoming Israeli citizens.

The Minister of the Interior may exempt an applicant from some of these requirements."

Acquisition of Israeli Nationality

This does not mean I don't agree with all criticisms of Israel and the Jewish Lobby. Only incorrect criticisms.

[Solve et Coagula]

Zionists Do Not Represent Jews

From the inception of the Zionist State and particularly in recent times, the impression has been created in the World that there is some connection between the State, which falsely calls itself Israel, and the Jewish people as a whole. Therefore, we who continue to uphold the never-changing tradition of the Jewish people find it proper to again clarify the following points:

A Jew is one who remains faithful to the laws of the Jewish religion, that is, the Holy Torah and its commandments.

The Jewish people became a people before they had their own land, and continued to exist as a people also after they went Into exile, because our very people hood is based exclusively on the Torah.

The Holy Land was given to the Jewish people on the condition that they observe the Torah and its commandments. When they failed to do this, their sovereignty over the land was taken from them, and they went into exile. From that time, we are prohibited by the Torah with a very grave prohibition to establish a Jewish independent sovereignty in the Holy Land or anywhere throughout the world. Rather, we are obligated to be loyal to the nations under whose protection we dwell.

This situation has existed for close to 2000 years when the Jewish people were dispersed throughout all corners of the world. During this time, the Jews always remained faithful to the country in which they lived.

The Jewish people are grateful to all those merciful nations which have allowed them to observe Torah and the commandments undisturbed.

From ancient times, the relations between the Jewish and Islamic peoples have always been those of peace and brotherhood, and friendship always reigned between them. The proof of this is the fact that for centuries, in all the Arab lands, hundreds of thousands of Jews lived in honor and amidst mutual esteem.

Jews throughout all generations yearned to grace the sacred soil of the Holy Land and to live there. However, their sole purpose was to fulfill the commandments dependent upon the land and to absorb Its holiness. Never, G-d forbid, did they have any nationalist or sovereign intent whatsoever which, as mentioned above, is forbidden to us. Indeed, also here in the Holy Land, our fathers lived in neighborly harmony with the Palestinian residents of the land, helping one another, to mutual benefit.

Until about two hundred years ago, the vast majority of Jews observed the Torah and the commandments in entirety. Jewry's leaders were Torah scholars, who directed the people according to the Torah. They were loyal citizens in the host nations where they dwelled and to the local laws. They prayed for the welfare of their respective governments. To our sorrow, at that time a small number of Jews slowly left their observance of Torah and commandments. Together with this, they began to deride the spiritual leadership of their people. This assimilation was the basis upon which, one hundred years ago, the ideology of Zionism was born. Its founders were assimilated Jews who had abandoned the Torah.

Immediately at the founding of the Zionist movement, masses of Jews under the leadership of their Rabbis, launched a heavy battle against Zionism. Their attack was directed not only at the non-religious Zionist idea, but rather, primarily at its opposition to the Torah-ordained path that Jewry must follow while in exile. As such, the Zionists incited the nations of the world, demanding political sovereignty over the Holy Land while remaining oblivious to the resentment this would arouse In the Palestinian Arabs, the land's veteran inhabitants. As stated, the leaders of Orthodox Jewry vehemently opposed the movement with all force.

The Zionists refused to heed the voice of the Rabbis and Torah authority. They persisted in their ways until they succeeded in influencing the British government to issue the Balfour Declaration concerning the "establishment of a national home for the Jews in the land of Israel." To our great sorrow, from that point on began the deterioration of the good relations between the Jews and the Arab inhabitants of the land. This occurred because the Arab people understood that the Zionists wished to seize ruler ship from them. In addition, the Arab people had suspicions as if the Jewish people wished to seize control of the Temple Mount and other similar sites. Matters worsened as a result.

The Jewish leadership of that time saw it as proper to clarify before the Arab leaders that the Torah-true Jews had no desire whatsoever for sovereignty, and that our desire was to continue to live in peace with the Arabs, as we had always done. The leader of the G-d-fearing Jewish community at that time, Rabbi Yoseph Chaim Zonnenfeld. of blessed memory, organized a delegation in July of 24' which visited King Hussein and his sons Faisal the King of Iraq and the Amir Abdullah In order to lucidly present to them the position of the G-d-fearing Jewish community. The Jewish delegation clarified unequivocally that Torah Jewry is totally opposed to the Zionist sovereignty over the Holy Land. It Is worth noting that the delegation was received with great honor. They were even assured that all Arab lands were completely open to Jews, however, on the condition that the Jews do not demand political rights. This condition also applied to the Holy Land. One of the members of the Jewish delegation, Professor Yisroel Yaakov De Haan, paid with his life for his participation.

Torah Jewry protests at every opportunity against the Zionist rule over the Holy Land, and the Zionist rebellion against the neighboring nations. Torah Jewry has condemned the Zionist oppression of the Palestinians, the land's veteran inhabitants who have been driven from their homes and properties. The Zionists' barbaric and violent deeds are absolutely antithetical to the essence of the Jewish people.

Torah Jewry has never ever recognized the Zionist state. Since the Zionists succeeding in establishing their state, Torah Jewry has continuously announced to the world that the Zionists do not represent the Jewish people, and that the name "Israel" that they use is a forgery. For as has been stated above, it is forbidden to us from the Torah to rebel against the nations, and all sovereignty by us is prohibited. Rather, we await the days when all the world will recognize the sovereignty of the Creator, and the words of the prophet Isaiah will yet be fulfilled: "And they will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. No nation will lift its sword against any other, nor will they learn warfare anymore."

Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews have refrained to this day from taking any funds from the Zionist regime, whether for their educational institutions, synagogues or other benefits. Obviously, they do not participate in the Zionist elections, whether for the "Knesset" or for the municipality. We do not serve in their army, and we even avoid speaking in the Hebrew language that the Zionists Invented. (incidentally, this is not the holy and true Hebrew language in which the Bible is written.) All this is done because Torah Jewry does not recognize the Zionist regime, which Is against the Torah and against humanity.

Lately, the question has once again arisen concerning the Temple Mount and sovereignty over it. Thus, we wish to state unequivocally: a) In our time, it is a severe Torah prohibition for any Jew to set foot on any part of the Temple Mount area. b) The Jewish people have no claim whatsoever to sovereignty over this holy site, which is under Islamic authority, nor over any other holy site. Rabbi Zonenfeld was once asked, "is it true, that the Rabbi prefers an non-Jewish government over all of the Holy Land"? Rabbi Zonenfeld replied, "if King Hussein would rule over Palestine, the holiness of the Holy Land would not be diminished to even to an Iota degree". We yearningly await G-d's great day, when He will return His Divine Presence to Zion, restoring the holy city to its former holiness and glory as in days of old, to be a light to the peoples and the nations.

The Zionists have no right of any sovereignty over even one inch of the Holy Land. They do not represent the Jewish people in any way whatsoever. They have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people. Therefore, their words, declarations and actions are not in any way representative of the Jewish people. This is because the Zionists' seizing of power over the Holy Land is antithetical to Jewish law, and also because the Zionists do not behave like Jews at all rather, they desecrate the sanctity of the land.

We once again clarify that it is our desire to live in peace with our Arab and Palestinian neighbors, as we did before the Zionist revolution, and as Jews all over the world till today live, accepting the yoke of rulership of their host nation, with complete loyalty. Our sole desire is to serve our G-d and to fulfill His commandments with a perfect heart and to delight in the radiance of the sanctity of the Land.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/notjews.cfm

[Kiehlroy]

Zionists Do Not Represent Jews
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http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/notjews.cfm

Oh, stop reprinting whatever you read on every little anarchist site you come across and develop your own creative writing skills. Just because it's provocative does not make it true. Many of your regurgitated links/articles have ranged from being based on speculatory, misleading and skewed information to being outright false. All it takes to see through your instigatory bullcrap is a little referencing/cross-referencing and an analytical mind. Unfortunately you know as well as I that most readers are too lazy to research someone elses opinion and will readily accept it as their own as long as that opinion challenges none of their own. Way to go. You play to the mob, just like the politicians and systems your recycled articles regularly attack. At least take what you read and put it into your own words. That helps the writer evolve and refine his/her understanding of the raw material and the greater scenario.

[Solve et Coagula]

The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth

by Anton Szandor LaVey ©1967

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.

7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

9. Do not harm little children.

10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

[Kiehlroy]

Nice list. I commend your response

I'm also not surprised at the source of your list:

www.churchofsatan.com

Now your in the same boat as all the other religious zealots. At least other religious zealots commit fully to their religious beliefs and do not make little PR disclaimer lists so they don't look like half-assed zealots. Dualistic thinking is small thinking.

But thanks for the nice little heads-up for anyone who actually stops to read any of your crap.

[Solve et Coagula]

You might not know it, but the avatar you use belongs to a club of people which are good friends of the Church of Satan... it was meant as a reminder...

Best wishes from Switzerland

lwwb
Roger

[Kiehlroy]

In the words of an acheiver of a real Slack: "Quit the church and start your own damn religion!" Well, in my opinion the Church of Satan is hardly disorganized. They lack Slack and in my minds, suffer from pinkness like all The Others who bow before any alter. True SubGenii intellect could get it. Fuck 'Em If They Can't Take A Joke!

Only quality cheesiness tells the Truth, and I am a purveyor of fine cheese's.

With weirdness the true bulldada begins.

[Solve et Coagula]

Dear Kiehlroy

do you mind to post a link of your club so that I and everybody else might get some clarity... that would be kind of you... thankyou very much...

Best wishes from Switzerland
lwwb
Roger

[Kiehlroy]

Ohhhhhhhh! Everybody, it's..SSSSSoooooooolve et Coagula! Welcome to Armageddon Online!

I don't club Roger. No, really, I don't! I think you missed the point a LOOOONG time ago.

A link? Thats all you know is links. Cut & paste, and links. Links be damned, I have my own weird brain.

I have been posting so that everybody else might get some clarity out of the 2nd hand re-runs you post.

Besides, I have way more hair on my ass than an average half-evolved monkeyboy like you.

[JOEBIALEK]

only a Jew finds the truth anti-semitic

[steven]

Kielroy, you rock bro !

[Solve et Coagula]

Ohhhhhhhh! Everybody, it's..SSSSSoooooooolve et Coagula! Welcome to Armageddon Online!

I don't club Roger. No, really, I don't! I think you missed the point a LOOOONG time ago.

A link? Thats all you know is links. Cut & paste, and links. Links be damned, I have my own weird brain.

I have been posting so that everybody else might get some clarity out of the 2nd hand re-runs you post.

Besides, I have way more hair on my ass than an average half-evolved monkeyboy like you.

Dear Kielroy

... at least you are entertaining... thankyou very much being around sharing your clarity with us...

Best wishes from Switzerland

lwwb
Roger

[Kiehlroy]

Dear Kielroy

... at least you are entertaining... thankyou very much being around sharing your clarity with us...

Best wishes from Switzerland

lwwb
Roger

Lets make up. What do you say Roger? At least were bastards with our own opinions.

[Solve et Coagula]

yep we both found a beautiful conclusion... freedom of speach rocks!

Best wishes from Switzerland

lwwb
Roger