There shall be no other god before me.....

***Demonskates*** · Jun 19th, 2006 11:21 PM

just another hypothetical.i am not a christian although ive studied religion,and there are a few things that i feel are truth within the bible.The main one ill get at is that i do beleive god wants no other god before him.that is probably truth.
That being said,where does that leave Jesus?Look at it carefully.There are those who say that Jesus is god incarnate.that automatically goes against 'there shall be no other god before me," rule.Jesus is being worshiped as God.but God is the true God.
what if by worshiping Christ,you are breaking the rule of not having another god being worshiped before god Himself?
What if Christ and Christianity was a device of the devil to lure people away from God?Its a profound question that goes along with my other thread,if the devil could convince the masses that Jesus was a god,then people would worship him instead of the real God,and people did just that.soon Christianity spread like wildfire,and now Christ is worshiped as God himself.then there is the trinity,so now there is the holy spirit to contend with as well.what if it was all just a scam to lure you away from the truth,i want you to answer without bible quotes.

***Philosopher Foelhe*** · Jun 20th, 2006 2:20 AM

Actually, I believe that according to Christian teachings, Jesus was a part of God. So worshipping Jesus wouldn't be putting another god in front of YHWH, but merely worshipping YHWH in a more human aspect.

***lazserus*** · Jun 20th, 2006 2:59 AM

Modern Catholicism confused much. Christ, God, the Holy Spirit. It's all the same. Christ was the Messiah. If you read modern text, there is no question. However, certain denominations declare different things. As confusing as the Bible was 600 years ago, things just got worse. God, Christ, Spirit. God, Wafer, Dove. I mean, it's a bunch of mumbo jumbo.

My post here is not to challenge or deny the faith of Christianity, but to spark the reality of the evolution of it.

**me+three227** · Jun 20th, 2006 4:30 AM

My whole problem with it all is the fact that GOD wants to be worshipped.....I agree with one giving themselves to god but for him to demand being worshipped sounds more like what would come from Lucifer....There is something not right....When a being made us and created a son to die for us and go through what he did for him to sit on his throne and expect worship, and servent type out of us...his children....what's wrong with that picture..??

**Nova Scotia** · Jun 20th, 2006 6:02 AM

its not that hard to figure out .Nothing wrong with worshipping Jesus . As the 24 elders in heaven are seen worshiping him in rev 4 . its jesus you can tell by reading rev 1 , coll 1 , or john 1 .

if you read hebrews one it will help you figgure it out .their actually is a conversation there between the Father and The Son .

gen 1 is a correct translation , let us make man in our image .

God the Father the Most high made Jesus Our God .

Jesus had a God , His Father , But All judgement was Given too the son .

Jesus never did his own will , He was commanded what to Do and What to Say .

Jesus was made our God By his Father the Most High God .

Its a Family of 2 , the Son did the creating , the son has mostly worked with mankind . but he took orders from his God or his Father .

The one that came in the Flesh was the Son , the Son was the Creator , the son was the God of the Old testament . The Son is the one who judges man .But he Has Orders from his Father . The Father in Hebrews 1 says the Son is God .

Remember what Stephen saw as he was Dieing . he never seen a trinity . he saw the son standing to the right of the father .

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit Of Christ and the spirit of the father now days , in old testament it was the spirit of Christ only .

If any man have not the Spirit Of Christ he is None of His .

The trinity is Made up from Constintine the Sun worshipper reading plato , its a bunch of crap ./

***lazserus*** · Jun 20th, 2006 6:34 AM

I rest my case. Nova Scotia, you should look to this thread.

Quoting only makes you robotic. Try the whole "free will" thing. It's nice. Part of that involves thinkning for yourself.

**Nova Scotia** · Jun 20th, 2006 8:12 AM

Jesus was the Creator bible tells us this plain , So if you Compare to Judism or Islam

Allah had a Father

the God off the Torah had a Father That Made him Our God .

The Son is the One That Lead Isreal Out of Egypt.

The son is the One who Met with Abraham and had dinner .

The Son is the One wrestled with Jacob

The Son is the WOrd = the Spokesman , the one that appears to man .

**Uglybob5** · Jun 20th, 2006 2:46 PM

I think Sam gooding(who is 14 and lives in wallesey village in the north west of england) is the anti christ. He is always going on about how much he hates the church. He also drinks smokes and swears alot. I suspect he may be a herowin addict. He refuses to go to church and like to run around naked.

**Nova Scotia** · Jun 20th, 2006 9:01 PM

I don't think we can Have a English Beast

The Asserian is the Rod of Gods Anger (germans)

***lazserus*** · Jun 20th, 2006 9:07 PM

Originally Posted by Uglybob5

I think Sam gooding(who is 14 and lives in wallesey village in the north west of england) is the anti christ. He is always going on about how much he hates the church. He also drinks smokes and swears alot. I suspect he may be a herowin addict. He refuses to go to church and like to run around naked.

Aside from this completely being unrelated to the topic...Are you smoking crack? The things you mentioned are COMPLETELY normal for a child that age. Hell, I'm 30 years old and I drink, smoke, and swear! And I'm a priest! No devil child here, just a spunky teenager.

**PheonixRIsing** · Jun 20th, 2006 11:01 PM

There is more than one way to worship God, you can worship God through words, through actions, or you can worship Him in every aspect of your life. Whatever satisfies you is your choice.

Actually, its more simpler then just obeying God. Jesus said the most important commandment is to love God with all your heart and all your soul. Then he says that this is equally important, Love your Neighbhor as yourself. So you can worship God just by showing Him your love. Only you know how to love someone because we all love each other in different ways. So worship s more indivivdualized for each person. It is not hard to worship, its just how you worship that counts. IF you want to know, look inside your heart and look toward God.

***lazserus*** · Jun 20th, 2006 11:31 PM

PheonixRIsing, I think you saved everyone from spending time in a cathedral with that little...sermon. Intelligent point? Judges decline. But preach on, brother.

**PheonixRIsing** · Jun 20th, 2006 11:36 PM

Just place your faith and trust in God and he will provide for you. I want people to be concience of their creator and learn to love, don't be intimidated, you don't have to be formal in your approach to God, just don't swear and treat him like a loved brother/sister or friend.

***Ningishiddza*** · Jun 21st, 2006 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by me+three227

My whole problem with it all is the fact that GOD wants to be worshipped.....I agree with one giving themselves to god but for him to demand being worshipped sounds more like what would come from Lucifer....There is something not right....When a being made us and created a son to die for us and go through what he did for him to sit on his throne and expect worship, and servent type out of us...his children....what's wrong with that picture..??

A lot. Yaweh is incredibly sadistic and acts more like an abusive spouse or parent than an intelligent being. In fact if you read the warning signs in pamphelts which are intended to help women (and men) from getting involved in an abusive relationship, Yaweh exhibits all signs.

I can see why christians prefer use of "god" rather than "Yaweh" so as to disassociate themselves from that masochistic SOB, especially since Yaweh is a loser, and even more so since Jesus is Yaweh is Jesus and some kind of ghost thing, that suddenly appears out of nowhere (the concept, not the ghost thing).

What I find amusing is the fact that people willingly accept an inherent contradiction. You cannot have an egalitarian utopian society and an ordered hierarchy at the same time. They conflict, they're anopposite. That's akin to

all pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others.-- Orwell

Wouldn't you all just have a cow if the truth really was that Yaweh gave up on the Jews then started the Jesus and Mary chain, then gave up on that and started the Mohammed thing and the Muslims really are the the [new] chosen ones.

Wouldn't be the first time Yaweh God changed his mind.

Who's next?

***Philosopher Foelhe*** · Jun 21st, 2006 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by Ningishiddza

Who's next?

It's the Mormons. The Mormons got it right.

(Yes, Bill, I stole your joke. Too good an opportunity to let go.)

**PheonixRIsing** · Jun 21st, 2006 7:35 AM

No, God asked us to worship Him so that we may know him better. Also, He told us to worship Him because otherwise we would worship something else, think about it. We idolize something whether it be a person, an item, or an ideal, or even yourself. God wants us to worship Him becausse if you worship something else, your worshipping will be to no avail. He is the only one that is worth worshipping since your worship shall not be in vain.

Example:If you liked Tom Cruise and wanted to have all his memoribalia, do you think he is going to come to your house and thank you for your worship, not likely because he is too busy living his life. God has placed us on top of his priority list because of how much he loves us. He will come to your house and thank you for your worship, its His priority to look after his creation. Does God beat up his children and then give them presents? NO! He doesn't take pleasure in the suffering of his children. Yes, He does protect us, but He works through us.

***Philosopher Foelhe*** · Jun 21st, 2006 3:29 PM

Originally Posted by PheonixRIsing

Does God beat up his children and then give them presents?

*cough*Job!*cough*

***Demonskates*** · Jun 21st, 2006 5:35 PM

Originally Posted by Philosopher Foelhe

*cough*Job!*cough*

Wow, En Guard!One of my favorite books of the bible.Good pointPhilosopher Foelhe.

***uki*** · Jun 21st, 2006 6:14 PM

we are all the physical manisfestations of God. we are a collective body of individuals each with different functions and missions to fulfill in life. some for honor, others for dishonor... so having been taught that the kingdom of heaven comes from within(the body is our temple unto God), so in essence, one must be self-serving in order to serve the world... if one cannot take care of himself(or herself) how is it possible to serve anyone else? this is what is mean't by removing the plank from ones own eye before attempting to remove it from ones brothers(or sisters). this is the same concept as enlightenment... one can show or lead the way unless they themselves have already obtained understanding(which is the mind of Christ). so by worshipping God we must worship ourselves as being God in the flesh... we must honor ourselves, our ideals, and our creativity as was freely given to us for the benefit of mankind... one you are saved, you are saved(once enlightened, always enlightened)... and what has been said is that each of us will merge and become one with the creator, He will dwell in us, and us in Him. this is the representation of the trinity... harmony of the mind, body, and spirit... once you find your center(God-enlightenment-understanding-christ-awarness) you then begin to affect everything in a positive way... those whom are still lost and off-balance will not understand, nor will they percieve the teachings of the spirit; to the ignorant, those who are spiritual are labelled arrogant and selfish... yet it has been taught that by caring for no-one in particular, one hence cares for the whole world. the world teaches men to serve God externally(or outside themselves), Christ teaches us to serve God internally... this is why "christians" of this day and age are helpless and afraid... fearing the world on the basis that God will take care of them during troubles, but the truth of the matter is that God is in each one of us, and if that is the case, then it is ultimately up us to take care of ourselves and the good of creation... by doing this, we uphold the divine laws of the universe.

**Nova Scotia** · Jun 21st, 2006 7:18 PM

God is only in a very few now. a very few !

**PheonixRIsing** · Jun 21st, 2006 10:39 PM

God didnt beat up Job, The devil did. The devil wanted to prove to God that Job could be broken and would curse God. God told the devil that he would not succeed, but he allowed satan to do it anyway because he wanted to make his point clear. Yes, Job lost everything, but he gained so much more. He was faithful to God, even until the end. God gave him twice of what he had before and Job prospered. I salute your courage and faith Job! The Lord is God of all. The Lord giveth and the Lord can taketh away, because ultimately all belongs to him. Its called eminent domain. Oh,, you guys cry and go waaaah! God took away my toys! Job didn't whine, he got twice of his original gains back. I would be a happy person.

***Philosopher Foelhe*** · Jun 21st, 2006 10:47 PM

Question. If you had a young child, and someone came to your house and requested the chance to beat the hell out of that child, would you stop them? Or would you let them beat the crap out of your kid, just to prove he or she would trust you did it for the right reasons and not be mad at you?

God didn't administer the beatings personally, but he did give express permission that Job was to be tormented.

Originally Posted by PheonixRIsing

Job didn't whine, he got twice of his original gains back.

Exactly. God indirectly beat up Job, and then he gave Job presents to make up for it. So the answer to your question is yes.

**PheonixRIsing** · Jun 21st, 2006 10:48 PM

Yet Job never cursed God nor did he get angry at God.

***Philosopher Foelhe*** · Jun 21st, 2006 10:53 PM

Many abused children believe the abuse is deserved.

But that's really not my point. You asked whether God was the sort of person to abuse his followers and then reward them for putting up with it. The story of Job shows that he is.

***jeffweeder*** · Jun 22nd, 2006 5:38 AM

I disagree pf, satan always had the opportunity to harrass job, but as ssoon as god pointed him out, he became hellbent on prooving god wrong.

Then Satan answered the [5][Lit LORD and said ]LORD, "Does Job fear God for nothing?
10 "Have You not made a hedge about him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land.
11 "But put forth Your hand now and touch all that he has; he will surely curse You to Your face."
12 Then the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has is in your power[6][Lit hand ], only do not put forth your hand on him." So Satan departed from the presence of the LORD.

cut a long story short, satan lost......again