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    As far as my opinion on the matter goes, Global warming...well I'll say Abrupt climate shift, is not mans doing.... I absolutely believe that we are helping it along at a steady rate, howver not nearly half of the Greenhouse gasses released are from humanity. Another point I would like to stress, I personally believe that this shift is going to take place Alot sooner than people realize, I think that I may see this transition in my lifetime, if not my certainly my daughters. Scary thought. With that being said I don't think that there is hardly anything if anything at all we could do to stop it. I think its all already been set into motion, and its only a matter of time. Just think if we have a catastophic volcanic eruption which as we all know has nothing to do with us, that certainly could be the boiling point so to speak. Just my 2 cents
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    But of course.

    However us humans are a-holes so whether or not it is us, being so developed, we should intervene yet mostly for ourselves like adapting to any changes for example (if not the only one lol).
    Science doesn't have all of the answers... otherwise it wouldn't be science.

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    More news on scotland you have seen the film waterworld then take a peek at this
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...ds/6088112.stm i think you could call this a major disaster zone,now we have been warned yet politicians keep talking but no action.I hope the people ins cotland wake up and ask for swift action now

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    that's really bad in scotland for sure.

    as far as abrupt climate change i think it is coming sooner than we think. there are a couple of theories that i have read.

    one---- that abrupt climate change is over the span of about 10 to 20 years

    two---- it can happen overnight, like the mammoth they found perfectly frozen with tropical plants still in it's stomach in siberia.

    don't know which one to believe or both or none. but, if you prepare then you can hopefully survive long enough to get rescued or escape. preparing for the worst is key to survival.

    learn all you can about living off the land. not just your area, but all areas desert artic tropical and temperate as well as how to live off of marine life fresh or salt water. artic is the hardest then desert the other two are much easier.

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    Floods continue to cause havoc in northern frontier
    http://www.eastandard.net/hm_news/ne...eid=1143960256
    New tropical depression forms off Mexico
    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/4293028.html 8 floods around the world since monday whats for next week i wonder

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    ABC NEWS Snow, hail reported across Tas
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...0/s1775711.htm
    just ending another week and more extreme weather and theres nothing we can do

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    this topic should go for a while.Snow falls in south-east Aust as cold snap bites
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...0/s1775741.htm jeez two more already should be interesting to see what else comes up

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    I found info on the dropped data from the magnetosphere. <I just can't let things like this go> anyhoo, the poles were trying to flip. They jump sometimes as well and on occasion can create several poles all at one time! <magnetic poles, not geo-physical poles> It seems to be pretty normal and I did ask this scientist about global warming and yes he believes it is huge factor.
    He also said the fire in California will be A contributor of global warming.
    I refered to the atmosphere and cloud coverage and he basically said precipitation
    but to watch the gulf stream.

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    On Oct 28, Astronomers have discovered gamma rays streaming from the vicinity of the supermassive black hole at the heart of galaxy M87. These gamma rays have energy levels of more than a million million times the energy of visible light. Fortunately, these rays are stopped by our atmosphere. A special instrument called H.E.S.S., located in Namibia, can detect when these rays strike our atmosphere, and trace back the source.

    Luckily our field won't let em in but then again, it has been jumpy lately, heh. There will be auroras tonight from the solar wind streaming so our magnetic field is taking a double beating. heh. With all of the cloud coverage we'll be lucky to see anything.

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    So we enter another week and already i read about either high winds ,rain and yes more flooding whats up with the planet?i read that there were outages in the states somewhere

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    Gosh, i would like to see the auroras, but it is raining, and we had big winds this morning, altho it was worst, in other regions. Ch.
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    Do you think we have probs?i mean the weather is getting worse week by week and it will affect us soon,how long before we see bush and blair on tv for another major event?probably never,where you live is it bad?have you seen things getting worse?im interested to know

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    Far More Than A Meteor Killed Dinos

    here's growing evidence that the dinosaurs and most their contemporaries were not wiped out by the famed Chicxulub meteor impact, according to a paleontologist's
    theory now it was climate change, the greenhouse warming is well documented. The temperature rise was rapid, over about 20,000 years, and it stayed warm for about 100,000 years, then cooled back to normal well before the mass extinction
    Marine species at the time suffered from the heat. Most adapted to the stress conditions by dwarfing, growing less than half their normal size and reproducing rapidly with many offspring to increase the chances for survival. By the time climate cooled back to normal, most species were on the brink of extinction. Then the impact hit and pushed them over the brink -- many straight to extinction.

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    Glasgow to be hit by 60 mph winds and will the talking point poor bastards they were only flooded last week.London at 2 degrees on thursday so winter seems to have finally arrived YES YES YES but for how long?

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    The Mount Washington Observatory ,<new hampshire, USA> tabbed the second-snowiest October on record yesterday, with nearly 40 inches of snowfall, including more than 10 over this weekend. The observatory sit's 6288 ft above sea level. Winds were 158 MPH
    So that is HOW MANY FEET OF SNOW? feet, not inches. so far this fall, Buffalo,Colorado,New Hampshire it's not winter yet...
    Anyhow, I asked a scientist what the more immediate concern of global warming is
    and he said the gulf stream. England, this means you, article here:
    http://environment.guardian.co.uk/cl...2761%2C00.html

    The SUN has been streaming wind from it's coronal hole for days now. And guess what! Another Coronol hole is forming! That's 2 at the same time. hmmm.
    Magnetosphere dropped data again today. Terrible precipatation on Goes East.
    Happy Halloween people, it's already getting dark and it's 3:33 PM. BOO!

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    Funny thing is that the temps have suddenly dropped in the UK going from very mild to very cold ,so does this mean anything?have aread at this http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_d...d_str=20061101
    Do we have to accept that global warming effects are already upon us?there seems to be evidence with the recent floodings
    http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayA...=theworld&col= is this the wests fault?

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    Lot's of news to share. Glad the site is back up.

    Check out article on the HYBRID STORM. Gonna be a norm I suspect in the future
    link:http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Nat...3?img_id=13951

    A polar low is a small-scale, short-lived low-pressure storm system that forms at high latitudes, On rare occasions, however, there are peculiar, hybrid storms with some of the characteristics of a tropical storm and some characteristics of an extratropical storm. Such storms are sometimes called subtropical storms.

    Click the pic to see what this monster was made of.
    So, as Stratospheric ozone absorbs some of the radiation from the sun, so the more the ozone is depleted, the less radiation will be retained, and the colder will be the stratosphere.

    Secondly, stratospheric winds influence the strength of the prevailing westerlies off the coast of Antarctica. The colder the stratosphere, the stronger the stratospheric wind and, consequently, the stronger the westerlies at sea level.

    So says, Drew Shindell, a NASA expert on ozone and climate change, refers to what will happen over the next 50 years as a puzzle. But remember: It's only one puzzle in a world that global warming is transforming.

    Ice Bergs on the move. After breaking off from the shelves, these babies are on the move, creating havoc and they are pretty thick.
    http://www.nzherald.co.<br /> <br /...8783027AF1010E

    I posted info a couple of months ago on the strange star that sends radio waves
    out from it's core during it's "death throws" A magnetostar. It seems this particular star is Cassiopea A. Long thought to be dead, woke up in 1953 and burped.
    This year it started sending out "radio waves" that continue today. Why?
    Scientists don't know why. But the damn thing is only 10,000 light years away.
    I just hope our sun don't start communicating with the thing..<magnetically speaking>
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    Star that sends radio waves? Sounds like something UFO buffs could use lol BS!
    Science doesn't have all of the answers... otherwise it wouldn't be science.

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    I ran across this Q&A from Robert Felix. iceagenow.com
    Can you give us a brief overview, Robert, of just what your book is about?
    A. I’m saying that the next ice age could begin any day. And when it begins it will begin with a bang, practically overnight. People in the north will be buried beneath vast amounts of snow (two stories, three stories, six stories of snow, in one day) while the south will be hammered by ever bigger storms . . . just as is happening today.
    Q. What evidence do you see that an ice age is imminent?
    A. Look at the headlines. Snow in Guadalajara. Snow in Mexico City. Snow in South Africa. Record snows in Vermont and Washington states. Snow in Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi. The coldest December in Moscow since 1882. Record cold and snow in Australia. The worst ice storm ever in Quebec. The worst ever!
    Q. But what about global warming?
    A. Global warming is a myth. Most of the things we see happening to our weather lately have nothing to do with global warming. They’re part of a natural cycle. The fact is that ice ages recur in a dependable, predictable cycle that’s about to repeat itself. The next ice age could begin in our lifetimes.
    The cycle was discovered in the 1970s by a group called CLIMAP (Climate Long- Range Investigation, Mapping, and Prediction). They looked at deep sea cores for the past 500,000 years. During the last half million years, they found, ice ages have begun or ended, abruptly, just like clockwork, about every 11,500 years.
    Q. I almost hate to ask this, but when did the last ice age end?
    A. That’s the problem. The last ice age ended almost exactly 11,500 years ago. Which means that the next ice age could—no, I say should— begin any day.
    Q. Okay, let’s say that you’re right, that today’s storms are part of a natural cycle. But still, what causes the cycle?
    A. It has to do with our warming seas . . . El Niño, in other words. Ocean temperatures, at least in the Pacific, have been warming for several decades.
    And I know, I know, we seem to blame everything on El Niño lately. But doesn’t anyone wonder why each El Niño seems to be getting worse?
    I think it’s part of the ice-age cycle.
    We’ve forgotten that this isn’t the first time that our seas have warmed. Ocean temperatures also shot upward some 10o to 18oF about 11,500 years ago just prior to the glaciation that killed the mammoths . . . the same as they’re doing today.
    Q. This sounds like global warming.
    At first glance, it does sound like global warming. That’s where I think today’s scientists have missed the boat.
    I think it’s caused by underwater volcanism, not by humans.
    As our seas warm, more and more moisture rises into the sky. Then it condenses and falls to the earth as giant storms and blizzards, the kind of storms and blizzards we’ve been getting lately. That’s what El Niño is all about.
    My question is, what happens when that moisture begins falling in the winter?
    Instantaneous ice age.
    And that’s what I’m talking about.
    Our seas, heated by underwater volcanism, are leading us directly into the next ice age . . . and we don’t even know it. I think we’re in for the biggest rash of El Niños in 11,500 years.
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    Q. What makes you think that underwater volcanism is the culprit?
    A. Well, scientists have known for years that peaks in volcanism correlate with glaciation.
    Just prior to the period of glaciation that killed the mammoths, for example, volcanism increased dramatically. In Alaska and Siberia, large amounts of volcanic ash are interspersed through the piles of mammoth bones themselves.
    Q. Does volcanism send so much ash into the sky that it blocks out the sun?
    A. That’s what scientists thought at first. But then they discovered that there’s not enough ash in the stratigraphic record to have done the trick.
    But I think they missed an important, little-known fact about volcanism. According to experts at NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration), 80% of all volcanic activity occurs underwater. For every volcano you see erupting into the sky, in other words, four volcanoes of equal size should be erupting into the sea. (With new knowledge about underwater volcanoes, this ratio has increased dramatically in the past few years.)
    Q. You make it sound as if an ice age could begin almost overnight. But didn’t we learn in school that ice ages begin slowly, over tens of thousands of years?
    A. We learned wrong. In 1987 a research project called GRIP (Greenland Ice Core Project) began drilling deep cores into the ice in central Greenland. They drilled almost two miles deep, deep enough to reach ice that formed 250,000 years ago.
    When they analyzed the cores, they found that every ice age during the past 250,000 years—and there were many—began abruptly.
    Q. What do you mean by abruptly?
    A. The climate descended from periods of warmth such as today’s—let me repeat that, from periods of warmth such as today’s—to full-blown glacial severity in less than twenty years. Perhaps in less than ten.
    I want people to hear me on this. This is not theory. This is fact. Ice ages begin incredibly fast, and they do it from periods of warmth such as today’s.
    You do not need cold weather to cause an ice age! During the very depths of the last ice age, the tropics and subtropics were only four degrees colder than today. Temperatures in the equatorial rainforest belt remained much the same as today.
    Q. Let’s put this in today’s terms. How cold would it have to be— today—for an ice age to begin?
    A. It’s cold enough right now to cause an ice age, said Maurice Ewing, one-time director of Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory. All we need is more moisture.
    And that’s why today’s giant storms concern me. We’re getting the moisture that Ewing was talking about.
    Q. Do you see any evidence of too much moisture?
    A. Look at the floods. Worldwide flood activity is at it’s highest levels since the Middle Ages. Japan, Germany, Italy, Mexico, Canada, Spain, Portugal—in more than 30 countries around the world, flood activity is the worst in 500 years. Same in the United States. Record rains in Minnesota, California, Idaho, Oregon, Washington, the list goes on and on.
    Twelve inches of rain in Kentucky in one day. Sixteen inches of rain in North Carolina in one day. This is global warming?
    Q. Couldn’t it simply be a case of better communications; simply that we’re being bombarded with so much news from around the globe that it only seems as if storm activity is worse? Couldn’t it be our imaginations?
    A. It’s not our imaginations. According to Thomas Karl at the National Climatic Data Center, the number of what scientists call extreme precipitation events—blizzards and heavy rainstorms—has jumped almost 20% in the United States just since 1970.
    Q. So you’re saying that today’s record-breaking rainstorms and floods are an indicator of an ice age?
    A. Absolutely. Go back to that 16 inches of rain in North Carolina in one day. My question is, what if it had been cold at the time? What if that rain had fallen as snow?
    When weather forecasters try to predict how much snow will fall if a rainstorm should turn to snow, they simply add a zero. One inch of rain, therefore, translates into 10 inches of snow. (Or more, if it’s fluffy.)
    So Kentucky’s 12 inches of rain (add a zero) would have been 120 inches of snow. Ten feet. And North Carolina's 16 inches of rain would have been 160 inches of snow. Thirteen feet. One-and-a-half stories.
    And that’s the point of my book. Two stories, six stories, nine, you pick the number, the point is that vast amounts of snow killed the dinosaurs, vast amounts of snow killed the mammoths, and vast amounts of snow—at least in the north—will soon kill most of us. It’s all part of the same natural cycle.
    Q. What makes you think that underwater volcanism is heating our seas today?
    A. It has to be. After all, above water volcanism, like flooding, is the worst in at least 500 years. (This comes from Dixy Lee Ray’s 1993 book Environmental Overkill, and is confirmed by the Smithsonian’s 1994 book Volcanoes of the World by Tom Simkin and Lee Siebert.)
    Q. And didn’t an underwater volcano recently erupt near Hawaii?
    A. Yes. You’re talking about Loihi Volcano, which began erupting late last year. It’s the largest underwater volcano in the world, and we weren’t even monitoring it. Energy transfer from Sun which is triggered by the emission from Galaxy centre during their alignment. < big ecliptic plane alignment coming in 2012>

    First great influx of energy causes heating up and partial evaporation of seas. This evaporation keeps Earth's surface temperature contained, like in evaporator of air conditioning plant.

    If energy flux is large enough, polarity change of the sun causes change of the axis of rotation of Earth. <see iers link>
    When alignment subsides Earth core heating /volcanism stops and sudden condensation of massive quantities of airborne water vapour occurs causing diluvial rains and temperature drops in extremely short time. In few days or up to just few weeks occurring imbalance causes heavy snowfalls that rise albedo of Earth's surface which allows more snow to form.
    Such snow mantle acts like insulator and impedes energy radiation from Earth's surface which, eventually, accumulates enough energy to melt the snow. This occurs first at the equator because the aid of the direct energy radiation form the Sun. <funny how prez bush bought 100,000 acres near the equator>

    <so there you have it, I'm wondering if the magnetostar could change the polarity of the sun. Backwards sunspots usher in a solar max. <already spotted>
    it has begun. I'm with robert here, FEET NOT INCHES. Although I didn't
    figure on it being stories high, just a ton of snow. My jaw dropped when I read that!

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    Hmmm... I don't know, this guy seems pretty self rightous and pessimistic/farfetched to be quickly praised... not saying hes wrong though for now but I've heard these guys negativly many times around the net...
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    Tony Blair now understands that global warming is the greatest danger we face but cannot get the support required to avoid the consequences. GW Bush does not want to get serious about it because it will sink his war machine, banking, insurance and gambling based economy. We must change course and get rid of the greed based operating systems that control this planet.

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    There already is. Thermonuclear electromagnetic engines. What do you think powers the voyager or the viking space crafts? Not only that but silver is the
    best reflector of light so anything made of it will last. Think Glass tubes threaded with silver to create electricity. It can happen but it wont because the big industries need their greedy monies. I also have to say that the CO2 in the atmosphere is created by JET FUEL. hello. You NEVER hear anyone admit that.
    Bush knows, why do you think he bought 100,000 acres right under the equator?
    Ice age comes. And he knows it. It can't be stopped. As the under water volcano system can't be CONTROLLED. Believe it or not. Ice core samples don't lie.
    And the atmosphere, well, just look up. You have your answer.
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    Underwater volcanism has created a new island in the South Pacific.
    If you've been on this website for a year, you might remember some of edgar caycee's earth changes that we discussed. One of them was new land masses
    being created. here's the article: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapc...new.island.ap/

    In Ethiopia
    Fissures have opened in the Earth's surface in Afar as the Arabian and Nubian tectonic plates pull apart. Scientists say the process is the same as that which created the Atlantic.

    Nasa reporting active volcano on our moon, going on NOW!
    volcanism http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...4223%2C00.html going on after it was thought to have stopped

    We are not alone, the other planets in our solar system are either having
    atmospheric problems,Superstorms or volcanism activity as well.
    http://space.newscientist.com/articl...ss-clouds.html

    So, it seems mainstream scientists are considering the "theory" that global warming is linked to cosmic rays. gee, ya think? With so much activity now going on
    Cassiopea A/Pelusi and other stars winking/blinking and purging gasses, it makes you think that something extrasolar is happening.
    http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...ca63d6&k=42927

    The Russians say A galactic shockwave cometh: <religous tones>
    http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index961.htm

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    Ill try and find the link, else where there was a thread on another forum about outer climate change as just said, interesting stuff and people are very sure (full) of themselves.

    However theres something not right about those who published that last link about Vladimir Shaidurov since hes famous for his meteor theory... yet this site (most likely American) goes the otherway with cosmic rays... the others are still interesting although I find rock planet changes are more realiable than gas giants.
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    Science doesn't have all of the answers... otherwise it wouldn't be science.

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    Woah, check out the immense amount of water vapor!
    Flooding in Washington state is bad and more rain to come.
    http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/PCPN/pcpn-na.html

    Poor Canada! It's got to be raining throughout the entire country.
    We won't see a sun today that's for sure. There is also a 4.7 Earthquake
    today in the Arctic Ocean. I sure hope a super cell don't form..
    Incidently, ALL the planets in our solar system are experiencing storms
    at their polar regions. Coincidence????

    Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life.

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