Banning of religious things....a solution!

[Assassin X]

Wasn't sure where to post this since its both religious but mostly political.

Well today I got an email from a friend and it was rather good. Most of you would find it offensive but I like it. Before I post I want to say that after reading it you'll probably be all pissy but it makes you think how ridiculous weve become as a country:

[B]
THE LAW IS THE LAW

So if the US government determines that it is against the law for the words "under God" to be on our money, then, so be it. And if that same government decides that the "Ten Commandments" are not to be used in or on a government installation, then, so be it. I say, "so be it," because I would like to be a law abiding US citizen. I say, "so be it," because I would like to think that smarter people than I are in positions to make good decisions. I would like to think that those people have the American public's best interests at heart.

BUT, YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE I'D LIKE?

Since we can't pray to God, can't Trust in God and cannot post His Commandments in Government buildings, I don't believe the Government and its employees should participate in the Easter and Christmas celebrations which honor the God that our government is eliminating from many facets of American life.

I'd like my mail delivered on Christmas, Good Friday, Thanksgiving & Easter. After all, it's just another day. I'd like the "US Supreme Court to be in session on Christmas, Good Friday, Thanksgiving & Easter as well as Sundays." After all, it's just another day.

I'd like the Senate and the House of Representatives to not have to worry about getting home for the "Christmas Break." After all it's just another day. I'm thinking that a lot of my taxpayer dollars could be saved, if all government offices & services would work on Christmas, Good Friday & Easter. It shouldn't cost any overtime since those would be just like any other day of the week to a government that is trying to be "politically correct."

In fact....

I think that our government should work on Sundays (initially set aside for worshipping God...) because, after all, our government says that it should be just another day....

What do you all think????

If this idea gets to enough people, maybe our elected officials will stop giving in to the "minority opinions" and begin, once again, to represent the "majority" of ALL of the American people.

[DontBeAfraid]

Your friend wants to mix religion and government?

Christmas is religious to some and commercial to me. Thanksgiving? Your friend is an idiot if he thinks thanksgiving is religious. Easter: Did JeeWiz hide some eggs or something? Good Friday? Never heard of it, is your friend sure that its a national holiday? Sunday: Its the weekend bitch.

And soldiers dont get any of those days off.

The government doesnt stop anybody from praying, they just are not allowed to endorse it.

[Traveler]

He has some good points.

This whole issue will result in quite a bit of political backlash

[Assassin X]

I am not one to bring up that whole "banning of religion" thing but when I read the email I was like "Holy crap hes right!". The holidays mentioned are religious holidays/and/or started out that way. I don't care who makes the excuse "Its commercial" or whatever.

Easter as an example has no purpose for ANYONE but religious people. So why take it off? WORK I say! And who aDOES need christmas breaks? Christmas bonus money? Thats all religous stuff, your basically getting paid on my religions day! So everyone should work all of December until New Years.

If it does sound stupid then maybe people should think about this country a little more and what we are doing to it. Because lets not forget were not only bannign religious things now, were banning lots of things. I believe a "infamous" person once tried banning things and wanting his country (and the world) run a certain way....wh was that? Oh yeah....Hitler.

[grendel 13]

you idiot, hitler used religion(not any in particular, but the ideas of a superior being and an afterlife) to commit the atrocities he did. that's why the idea of seperation of church and state is sooooo imperative. the government will cause way more problems by keeping things that are christian in nature in public and governmental institutions, do you guys think that it is mosty christians moving into our country? think again. and how would you christians like it if you saw "praise to allah," on our american money? or maybe a copy of the quran should sit in front of the supreme court? or maybe we should make our children pray 5 times a day in school like the muslims? as soon as christians see things like this they will act exactly like the people who want the gov. to obey it's seperation of church and state, i guaruntee it.

[dcookcan]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but maybe christianity and the US would benefit by allowing these "religious" festivals to return to their original roots.

Question: "What are the origins of Easter?"
Answer: The name Easter comes from a pagan figure called Eastre (or Eostre) who was celebrated as the goddess of spring by the Saxons of Northern Europe. A festival called Eastre was held during the Spring equinox by these people to honor her. When second century Christian missionaries wanted the Saxons to accept Christianity, they decided to use the name Easter for this holiday so that it would match the name of the old Spring celebration. This made it more comfortable for those converts to accept Christianity and still retain some of their heritage. The goddess Eastres' earthly symbol was the rabbit, which was also known as a symbol of fertility. Originally, there were some very pagan (and sometimes utterly evil) practices that went along with the celebration. In our day, Easter is almost a completely commercialized holiday, with all the focus on Easter eggs, the Easter bunny, etc.
Soruce is a christian website.

Q: What is the origin of christmas?
A: The date of December 25th probably originated with the ancient "birthday" of the son-god, Mithra, a pagan deity whose religious influence became widespread in the Roman Empire during the first few centuries A.D. Mithra was related to the Semitic sun-god, Shamash, and his worship spread throughout Asia to Europe where he was called Deus Sol Invictus Mithras. Rome was well-known for absorbing the pagan religions and rituals of its widespread empire. As such, Rome converted this pagan legacy to a celebration of the god, Saturn, and the rebirth of the sun god during the winter solstice period. The winter holiday became known as Saturnalia and began the week prior to December 25th. The festival was characterized by gift-giving, feasting, singing and downright debauchery, as the priests of Saturn carried wreaths of evergreen boughs in procession throughout the Roman temples.

Variations of this pagan holiday flourished throughout the first few centuries after Jesus Christ, but it probably wasn't until 336 AD that Emperor Constantine officially converted this pagan tradition into the "Christian" holiday of Christmas.
Source: Another christian website.

Q: What about Sunday?
A: Sunday is not the Sabbath, nor is it Son-day. It is another remnant of pagan sun-god worship.
Source: Me. Do your own research and prove me wrong if you disagree.

Thanks giving is the only holiday mentioned that may have a legitimate claim to be a christian holiday. But, I could be wrong about that.

[TC]

I think it was pope gregory in the 1500 who changed from the Julian calender and made Sunday the so called Sabbath.

As for any government laws pertaining to the Christian faith, I really don't see what difference it makes, you would practice your faith anyway, and they have no real significance outside of the commercial aspects.

I seem to recall something about " God not recognizing one day above another"

[Irish_Munchken]

Okay, first off the post delt nothing with why we should bann religious things. Just focused on how most Christian beleifs sprung from a Pagan backround.
2nd-holidays have become commercialized, because humans are greedy and stupid, but that doesnt mean that people still dont come together on Christmas or Winter Solstic or Hannikah to be with loved ones. To honor their supream being(s) Yeah their are long holiday breaks all have their pros and cons, but hell why are you going to complain about a break for a time when people are supposed to be loving and caring and people who are appreciate it. You get a Christmas bonus so you can spend more money on other people because it has become part of a tradition not a religious reason. Just becasue you get a holiday break for someone elses religion doesnt mean you have to celebrate it. It sucks when you might feel pressured by someone elses religion but the world is continuously growing and remember Christianity is the largest religion in America but Paganism is the fastest growing one. Thankfully rhe Pagans arent as bull headed about things.
Regligion helps fill a whole in life help people understand on why we are here. Why would you want to bann things like that. It would eventually bannn books in libraries, synagouges, churches, Moscs. Why would you bann something that gives people wholness even though people may hate other religions. Its only because they fear what they dont know.

[Fut004]

I can't seem to figure out what your stance is, Assassin X.
You seem sarcastic on some things but straightforward on others.

I agree with some of the points in that email though. If One Religious thing is bad, then shouldn't all Religious things be bad?

...and how would you christians like it if you saw "praise to allah," on our american money? or maybe a copy of the quran should sit in front of the supreme court? it.

Wasn't the USA "created" by a bunch of Christians? Aren't all the other Cultures/religions in the states because people immigrated into the country?
That's one thing that kinda bugs me, conforming "Our Ways" to suit every person who comes into the country. We are the way we are, don't like it? Don't come.

That'd be like going to Pakistan and seeing "Jesus is Great" on all the money, your comment makes no sense.

[grendel 13]

I can't seem to figure out what your stance is, Assassin X.
You seem sarcastic on some things but straightforward on others.

I agree with some of the points in that email though. If One Religious thing is bad, then shouldn't all Religious things be bad?



Wasn't the USA "created" by a bunch of Christians? Aren't all the other Cultures/religions in the states because people immigrated into the country?
That's one thing that kinda bugs me, conforming "Our Ways" to suit every person who comes into the country. We are the way we are, don't like it? Don't come.

That'd be like going to Pakistan and seeing "Jesus is Great" on all the money, your comment makes no sense.

bullsh*t it makes no sense, it doesn't matter if the founding fathers were christian( don't you all remember why the pilgrims came here in the first place?) they wrote it into the constitution themselves, "seperation of church and state." so i guess we're just being hypocritical as usual, that's the point i was trying to make, it's ok to say in god we trust because most people in this country are christian, but if we tried to but praise be to allah, those same christians would have an uproar, and i bet they would argue seperation of church and state. as i said it doesn't matter what the founding fathers were, they established this country on the idea that all men are created equal and therefore have the right to worship who they choose without the government shoving one religion or another down their throat, maybe we should ask the native americans what they think about seeing in god we trust on american money, considering the conquistadors worshipped a catholic god, and it was their faith that made them think they had the right to cut off the left foot of native americans. christians are so hypocritical.

[Fut004]

That's why I said "Shouldn't all Religious things be bad?"
I'm all for stopping the government from talking about God and all that kinda stuff, it has no bearing on the world today. But I don't think comparing "In God we trust" to "Praise Allah" on American Money makes any sense.

[grendel 13]

That's why I said "Shouldn't all Religious things be bad?"
I'm all for stopping the government from talking about God and all that kinda stuff, it has no bearing on the world today. But I don't think comparing "In God we trust" to "Praise Allah" on American Money makes any sense.

i agree too all religious things should be avoided by the gov.

but why doesn't the comparison make sense? it's just one religious phrase compared with another. i used it as an example of the attitude most christians have concerning religion and tolerance, that's all. you see in a country made up entirely of immigrants with different beliefs, i don't care who founded the "usa" we're all immigrants, it is absurd for us to allow an endorcment of a religion when the constitution clearly bans this. as ridiculous as it is to have praise allah on "american" money, it is equally ridiculous to have in god we trust.

again it is a shinning example of the hypocrocy of christians, do as i say ,not as i do.

[Fut004]

The comparison doesn't make sense because it's not reasonable.

Each country has it's "Main" beliefs, don't they?
I'd put money on it that the USA's "Main Belief" is Christian themed one.
I'm not saying that's right, by any means, but it seems like the truth to me.
Of course nobody would like it if American Money had "Praise Allah" on it, but it's unreasonable to even expect them to.


If I had my way, no Religious beliefs would be associated with Government at all. And nobody would be "offended" by other people would are enjoying some of the benefits of their beliefs. You want to be Muslim, great go celebrate Ramadan, you're Hindu? Have fun at your Divali party. You're Christian? Put up a tree and celebrate Christmas.

Why people are so focused on what everybody else is doing is beyond me.

[grendel 13]

The comparison doesn't make sense because it's not reasonable.

Each country has it's "Main" beliefs, don't they?
I'd put money on it that the USA's "Main Belief" is Christian themed one.
I'm not saying that's right, by any means, but it seems like the truth to me.
Of course nobody would like it if American Money had "Praise Allah" on it, but it's unreasonable to even expect them to.
.

your missing my point. i am trying to show the hypocritical attitude of christians, especially in regards to church and state. and it is reasonable because this country was based on freedoms, of all men, wether you are the majority or the minority. this country was based on an idea of no government endorcment of any religion, no matter who the majority is. so to say that it is unreasonable, just shows that you feel it is " more reasonable to have in god we trust," because america is mostly christian. i also use it as an example of the hypocrocy in terms of tolerance. christianity is based on tolerance, yet you try and put a quran on the supreme court steps and i bet those same "tolerant" christians will be up in arms. see that is what is at the heart of christian hypocrocy, they think that just because of some "exception" they can do the opposite of what they preach. just like priests molesting kids, well it must be because they can't get married, well since they can't get married maybe we should be a little lineant, it's bs. when christians start talking about tolerance they better be ready to accept seeing all religions supported or none at all, even christianity.

[Fut004]

Exaclty, "none at all". I agree.

Why have just "Praise Allah" on American Money? Why not have the entire backside of the Bill hailing all of the Major Deities of today? Because it makes no sense.

Thats like saying that Unless George Bush closes a press conference by saying "Praise Allah" instead of the normal God-crap it shows all the intolerance.
It doesn't, it shows that G.B. believes in God. Why would he say something that he doesnt believe? It'd make more sense for him to just say "Goodnight" wouldnt it?

[grendel 13]

It'd make more sense for him to just say "Goodnight" wouldnt it?

EXACTLEY!! that's what i was trying to show, that for us to say praise allah is completly absurd, just as absurd as saying in god we trust. i was using the allah example because it is the one that will rial up the christians more than any other, i wasn't saying that it should be there with in god we trust because it is just as good, i used it because it is the other most recognised religion in the world. if i would have said kwanza would that have had the same impact?

[Fut004]

So we agree, again... That's good.

All I was trying to get at is that there's a History to the Whole God-Money thing, to randomly change it makes no sense.

Anyhow, Elimanate it from the Money.


Back onto Topic Though,

How do you feel about the Government getting Easter and Christmas off as Holidays?

[grendel 13]

Back onto Topic Though,

How do you feel about the Government getting Easter and Christmas off as Holidays?

right now i work for the gov. so i love it ,lol. but seriously i think it should be banned. however there should be a national holiday where people get to spend time with their family, actually no, i think that we should never be given a day off for a "holiday," because there are simply too many different views to accomodate everyone. we should simply be given a certain amount of vacation time at the beginning of the year, that way everyone can have off during their appropriate celebrations. that would work for me. but yeah easter and christmas off, another example of our gov. supporting christianity.

[Fut004]

Most people don't even acknowledge the Religious aspects of those Holidays anyhow.

Yeah, that's actually a Good idea. Normally you get a couple days at Easter, a couple at Christmas. Some other Religions have celebrations last weeks, which is getting out of hand, so Average it out or something.
Everybody should get a week off for "Religious Holidays". Take them when you're "Faith" tells you to.

Great idea.